Getting Headaches...any Suggestions?

[Topso]

I'd advise finding a new doctor.

Know something i dont? Urinary tract infection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I qoute Since bacteria can enter the urinary tract through the urethra (an ascending infection), poor toilet habits (such as wiping back to front for women) can predispose to infection.

Pls dont comment to me like i was an idiot i wont write anything if i dident know what i was talking about.
I can link more pages if you want.

 

[kdcaines]

Know something i dont? Urinary tract infection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I qoute Since bacteria can enter the urinary tract through the urethra (an ascending infection), poor toilet habits (such as wiping back to front for women) can predispose to infection.

Pls dont comment to me like i was an idiot i wont write anything if i dident know what i was talking about.
I can link more pages if you want.

I don't think adrenalynn's post was meant to offend you, topso. I myself have never heard of a doctor not recommending drinking lots of water for any type of bladder, kidney, or urinary tract infection.
Also, the way you worded it, it looks like the doctor said "it's gross"
which, of course would be very unprofessional!

 

[ALC]

Know something i dont? Urinary tract infection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I qoute Since bacteria can enter the urinary tract through the urethra (an ascending infection), poor toilet habits (such as wiping back to front for women) can predispose to infection.

Pls dont comment to me like i was an idiot i wont write anything if i dident know what i was talking about.
I can link more pages if you want.

Whoa!! Slow down ladies. Sometimes we take things out of context. Look up and research the difference between a UTI and a bacterial infection and do not use Wikipedia; it is not reliable. Please PM me if you want more details, and I would be happy to give you details. I think this is something that needs to be left off the forum. INMO.

 

[Katya]

TMI. Way TMI. Please have mercy.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Whoa!! Slow down ladies. Sometimes we take things out of context. Look up and research the difference between a UTI and a bacterial infection and do not use Wikipedia; it is not reliable. Please PM me if you want more details, and I would be happy to give you details. I think this is something that needs to be left off the forum. INMO.

I'm going to disagree with leaving it off the forum, changes in pH are noted as a side effect of vaping, and substantial change to pH is a contributing factor in encouraging growth of bacteria and emergence of cystitis (UTI).

As far as sources, I'd prefer something more like:

David S Howes, MD, Residency Program Director, Professor of Medicine, Section of Emergency Medicine, University of Chicago/Pritzker School of Medicine

For eMedicine/WebMD

As/Per: Urinary Tract Infection, Female: eMedicine Emergency Medicine

Note Pathophysiology, PP2

This would allow us to speculate that observing substantial pH changes in vaping and acute UTI may not be unrelated. Not as the vector, of course, but as a potential contributing factor.

Now - specifically stated, where is the disagreement to this hypothesis?

As always: consult with a qualified medical doctor (or two or three) for medical conditions. Forum discussions are DISCUSSIONS, not diagnosis.

 

[Kimmy]

We get 5 points taken off essays for using wikipedia as a source at my college. If you take a good look at Wikipedia, you can actually edit what has been written.

 

[Joe Camel]

All classes I've ever taken want your sources and you cannot use wikipedia at all.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Ditto - but Wikipedia didn't exist yet even in the last class I took...

 

[Darrigaaz]

Wikipedia is awesome for finding info on the fly for plot lines and such in entertainment. That being said, because Wiki is created and edited by the masses, it is by no means the "end all" for accurate information.

Should I have the audacity to now offer everybody a cookie?

 

[Joe Camel]

A tip if you really like it is to use the sources section at the bottom of the wikipedia page

 

[maxx]

Now...now....lets not pick on the WIKI....

Most of Wiki's accuracy problems are in easily-biased areas of politics, social science, etc. (the people stuff). Their real science is actually very good. Mainly because alot is lifted directly from other more dedicated sources through the miracle of copy/paste/change-a-few-words. Accuracy good....plagarism....bad.

 

[Katya]

I'm going to disagree with leaving it off the forum, changes in pH are noted as a side effect of vaping, and substantial change to pH is a contributing factor in encouraging growth of bacteria and emergence of cystitis (UTI).

As far as sources, I'd prefer something more like:

David S Howes, MD, Residency Program Director, Professor of Medicine, Section of Emergency Medicine, University of Chicago/Pritzker School of Medicine

For eMedicine/WebMD

As/Per: Urinary Tract Infection, Female: eMedicine Emergency Medicine

Note Pathophysiology, PP2

This would allow us to speculate that observing substantial pH changes in vaping and acute UTI may not be unrelated. Not as the vector, of course, but as a potential contributing factor.

Now - specifically stated, where is the disagreement to this hypothesis?

As always: consult with a qualified medical doctor (or two or three) for medical conditions. Forum discussions are DISCUSSIONS, not diagnosis.

What do you mean by "changes in pH are noted"? Noted by whom? Has it been actually measured, studied, analyzed in a lab? Are there any published papers? Or is it just anecdotal? Specifically stated, there is no diagreement yet, just a question: what is the hypothesis based on?

 

[Adrenalynn]

Yes. To a limited extent. I'm not familiar with publication, but with lab tests.

Please see the "Side Effects of Vaping" in the Health section of the forum - references are too numerous for this thread.

 

[Katya]

Thank you. I have read that section carefully. "Limited extent" seems to be the operative word. This a very new field and, to my knowledge, no rigorous medical studies have been conducted yet. I've been on a lookout for them. They'll come, I'm sure, but for now we are all just speculating, observing and trying to figure out what we're doing. That's why I find this forum so interesting, we're sharing our OBSERVATIONS. We don't really know anything yet. We're all learning.

 

[Joe Camel]

In the 40's and 50's they tested PG vapor on children, military and monkeys. The only thing they found it did was vastly reduce the spread of airborne and droplet transmitted microorganisms.

 

[maxx]

I agree...we are testing and learning ourselves.....in the absence of good studies.

BTW...my liver just fell out....sprouted legs, and scurried under the bed. Is my nic too high? What can I use as bait to get it out? It took my cat's spot under there and he looks .......

 

[Darrigaaz]

I've heard onions can be a good bait Maxx... I guess liver & onions like each other.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Your cat should be able to retrieve it...

Annecdotally, my pH ramped over to a diagnosis of acute acidosis (MD, sports medicine specialist drew the sample and sent it to the lab, lab confirmed), second test two weeks later was spot-on my norm. That was prior to my reading of the thread, and two days after quitting cigarettes and starting vaping. There are multiple problems with that case since two variables (the quit and the start) are identically timed, and an n=1, but it is a data-point.

 

[Katya]

Your cat should be able to retrieve it...

Annecdotally, my pH ramped over to a diagnosis of acute acidosis (MD, sports medicine specialist drew the sample and sent it to the lab, lab confirmed), second test two weeks later was spot-on my norm. That was prior to my reading of the thread, and two days after quitting cigarettes and starting vaping. There are multiple problems with that case since two variables (the quit and the start) are identically timed, and an n=1, but it is a data-point.

Acidosis? That's really interesting. And you think there's a connection to vaping? Hmm...Bacteria causing a urinary tract infection or bacterial contamination will produce alkaline urine. That's why the famous cranberry juice is so effective. UTI is totally incompatible with acidosis. Alkalosis--UTI. I'm really confused now.

 

[Adrenalynn]

Yup. Agreed. But you change your pH down and then it's gotta come back up. That's the "acute" part, right? Our body chemistry doesn't seem to have very good Khalman Filtering. [engineering/math joke]. It takes a period of time for equilibrium to be reached, and in that time a little over/under/over/under.

With something approaching certainty, lactic acid buildup is described as a side effect. Other than consuming muscle, where would it be coming from [that is common to so many respondents]. If this were one of my cycling forums, that'd be one thing - but recovery wouldn't be so pronounced.