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You can very easy see the attitude of some reviewers Otello. No one is blind, especially people that watch their reviews.

Of course we always have the choice to not see an untrusted review. But the point is that serious choices are getting less and less and thats a problem for all customers.


Well, e-cigs are for sure simpler to review, for instance, than cars or hi-fi systems, but IMHO without competence you may make big mistakes anyway.
I mean:, for instance: are you sure you're speaking about the taste produced by the atomizer you're testing and not by the one pruduced by the coil YOU rolled? ;)

Anyway, maybe I misunderstood your message:

But the point is that serious choices are getting less and less and thats a problem for all customers.

If choices = reviewer, so the problem is there are very few reviewer you may trust, I must agree with you, unfortunately.

On my side I appreciate Scott Bonner' understatent (I just loved his definition of GG stuff: "over engineered" ;) ), and that's all, unfortunately I don't speak german (so I cannot speak about german reviewer), and I just can not stand the spectacular style of American reviewers (sorry, just my personal taste)

EDIT: I see in the meantine you edited your msg. ;)
Of course, I cannot agree more on the "He Has To" serie
 
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Maybe same problem and hard to do it but what about a window like Ithaka/UFS for Penelope?

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thats easier Utal because metal threads on the top clear window will allow us to make thinner threads, so more space between mouthpiece and body for refilling. But this will reduce even more the liquid capacity:)
 

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Well, e-cigs are for sure simpler to review, for instance, than cars of hi-fi systems, but IMHO without competence you may make big mistakes anyway.
I mean:, for instance: are you sure you're speaking about the taste produced by the atomizer you're testing and not by the one pruduced by the coil YOU rolled? ;)

Anyway, maybe I misunderstood your message:

But the point is that serious choices are getting less and less and thats a problem for all customers.

If choices = reviewer, so the problem is there are very few reviewer you may trust, I must agree with you, unfortunately.

On my side I appreciate Scott Bonner' understatent (I just loved his definition of GG stuff: "over engineered" ;) ), and that's all, unfortunately I don't speak german (so I cannot speak about german reviewer), and I just can not stand the spectacular style of American reviewers (sorry, just my personal taste)

EDIT: I see in the meantine you edited your msg. ;)
Of course, I cannot agree more on the "He Has To" serie

of course I am only speaking about english reviews Otello. I cant know about reviewers that make reviews on other languages. You are more than right on this:)

About coils-wick-taste. Thats why the reviewer has to be an advanced one. And thats why he has to test the atomizers for at least 2 weeks, so he will be able to know from his experience and the materials he will use, what is causing the issues. Many experiments and big experience is what is needed.

Yes, I edited my post enough times because we were talking about a serious matter :)
 
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Today, the reviewers are simple users that make reviews. Any simple user can start reviews like this if you agree :)

Its that simple to my opinion

ps....... Thats why enthusiasm is the only way today (there is no other way today) and thats why we have to move forward on this issue soon. We need real reviewers for sure

You mention Scott that is by the way one of the persons that he does a very good job in many fields. But people know that he likes some modders more than others. Thats one more qualification that a reviewer has to have: Noone has to know what he likes more

Philgood seems a serious person. I dont understand what he says but Vasilis told me that he is very serious and he knows what he is talking about.
 
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I like jokes very much. I say jokes all day and people that know me can confirm that. But a job is a job. Review is a job because a review affects business and thats why a reviewer has to be paid. So a review where you only see jokes or things like "wow!!", "run and buy it!!", "thats crazy!!" etc, are not what people need.

If I want to see a show, I will go to see a show, not an e-cig review that affects my health and my pocket

I like funny reviews. I like serious reviews. I like enthusiastic reviews. But we all need a reviewer that can do all of them at the same time or to be just serious to its duty
 
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Ah ah, before your editing I completely misunderstood your opinion, actually we are saying almost the same things. ;)
(I see we have the same opinion about spectacular reviews, too)

The problem here is e-cig is a very young market, it lacks many trade infrastructure, for instance, it's right that professional reviewers must be paid, but I think it's wrong they are paid from the maker...
For instance, I'm NOT paid by the hi-fi makers, but from the magazine I write for. But, are there any e-cig magazines?
 

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yes, we totally agree Otello, I see that. As for the payment of the reviewer, even if its made by the magazine, we have to be sure that the magazine is a serious one because it is paid by the maker

ps..... about the qualifications of a serious reviewer: One more thing he has to have is to explain exactly why he likes or why he doesnt like a feature of a product. Deep analysis on these issues is required. Words like "I dont like it" are plain silly.
 

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I want to mention that I like Pbusardo reviews because I see the performance of devices. He has good equipment. But as an advanced user, I know what is subjective and what is objective and I can make my own decisions. Sometimes I watch reviews just to see how the product looks like on the inside :D

you are an old vaper aal and you understand how things work. Also you are a serious person from what I have seen all those years. But the new user? Thats the problem here. The new user may not be serious, may not be clever, may not be advanced in metals -electricity, and even if he is a knowledgeable person he will not have the right info to decide, but he will only leave with the impression that the product is perfect because he listened an "wow" on video, or with the impression that the product is funny because reviewer said 1 negative thing about it, or because the reviewer didnt say "wow" for a product.
 
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thats easier Utal because metal threads on the top clear window will allow us to make thinner threads, so more space between mouthpiece and body for refilling. But this will reduce even more the liquid capacity:)
My only concern is if with cotton it's possible to feel the lack of juice like with silica. If not I'd prefer to have less liquid instead of burned cotton :p

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Aal, I have to agree with you about PBusardo. He seems to be the only reviewer that takes his reviews seriously. No one has the testing equipment or goes into such details as he does. He gives his pros and cons with every device, and makes sure to state that even if he doesn't like a product, it doesn't mean it's not the right product for the viewer.
The biggest problem I see today with the advent of YouTube, is that any ordinary person can get on and make reviews. I don't care about any ordinary person's opinion. I want an expert in the field, and preferably with a journalism degree who understands and follows journalistic ethical rules. There are just so many idiots out there on YouTube with no idea about ethics in journalism, nor any specialized knowledge. Frankly, I could obtain just as good of an opinion asking the drunk on the street corner.
 
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The biggest problem I see today with the advent of YouTube, is that any ordinary person can get on and make reviews. I don't care about any ordinary person's opinion. I want an expert in the field, and preferably with a journalism degree who understands and follows journalistic ethical rules. There are just so many idiots out there on YouTube with no idea about ethics in journalism, nor any specialized knowledge. Frankly, I could obtain just as good of an opinion asking the drunk on the street corner.

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Well just had a little bad luck my Tilemahos V2 had a fall about six feet my observation was this it snapped the drip tip off flush with the top cap (Delrin/plastic type Drip Tip) otherwise the clear window was ok and the RTA as well. The big problem was when I popped the small broken piece out in vanished into carpet land ,it was the only drip tip that I was able to adjust the juice control with and the five others that I have just spin I have a lot of O-rings and have tried to switch them out to accommodate but no luck. The inner diameter I think in your video Imeo you said the inner diameter was 8.5 or 8.6mm is this correct?

On a personal note I enjoy doing videos/reviews and seek no fame or fortune and yes in some cases my knowledge is limited I think people can relate to that, its really hard for me to define a professional I deal with many very serious professionals (On paper that is) but find that over time they some become complacent and refuse to think outside of the box I can only speak from my personal experience. It is very important to provide the correct info and not mislead people but no one is perfect and people make mistakes we are all human and remember we are all in this together to quit smoking and try to perfect and educate people on the safest alternative there is other than breathing fresh air.
 
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Well just had a little bad luck my Tilemahos V2 had a fall about six feet my observation was this it snapped the drip tip off flush with the top cap (Delrin/plastic type Drip Tip) otherwise the clear window was ok and the RTA as well. The big problem was when I popped the small broken piece out in vanished into carpet land ,it was the only drip tip that I was able to adjust the juice control with and the five others that I have just spin I have a lot of O-rings and have tried to switch them out to accommodate but no luck. The inner diameter I think in your video Imeo you said the inner diameter was 8.5 or 8.6mm is this correct?

On a personal note I enjoy doing videos/reviews and seek no fame or fortune and yes in some cases my knowledge is limited I think people can relate to that, its really hard for me to define a professional I deal with many very serious professionals (On paper that is) but find that over time they some become complacent and refuse to think outside of the box I can only speak from my personal experience. It is very important to provide the correct info and not mislead people but no one is perfect and people make mistakes we are all human and remember we are all in this together to quit smoking and try to perfect and educate people on the safest alternative there is other than breathing fresh air.
That is bad luck, atleast the tank and atty is ok. Have you tried wrapping some sewing cotton around the o-ring groves then put the o-ring back on. it will do for the time being.
 

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That is bad luck, atleast the tank and atty is ok. Have you tried wrapping some sewing cotton around the o-ring groves then put the o-ring back on. it will do for the time being.

Just about to put a little rayon around it to tighten it up thank you for the help this should tide me over Thanks Adam
 

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Well just had a little bad luck my Tilemahos V2 had a fall about six feet my observation was this it snapped the drip tip off flush with the top cap (Delrin/plastic type Drip Tip) otherwise the clear window was ok and the RTA as well. The big problem was when I popped the small broken piece out in vanished into carpet land ,it was the only drip tip that I was able to adjust the juice control with and the five others that I have just spin I have a lot of O-rings and have tried to switch them out to accommodate but no luck. The inner diameter I think in your video Imeo you said the inner diameter was 8.5 or 8.6mm is this correct?

On a personal note I enjoy doing videos/reviews and seek no fame or fortune and yes in some cases my knowledge is limited I think people can relate to that, its really hard for me to define a professional I deal with many very serious professionals (On paper that is) but find that over time they some become complacent and refuse to think outside of the box I can only speak from my personal experience. It is very important to provide the correct info and not mislead people but no one is perfect and people make mistakes we are all human and remember we are all in this together to quit smoking and try to perfect and educate people on the safest alternative there is other than breathing fresh air.

be sure that your videos are much more analytic and serious than other known reviewers Adam.

By the way, what are the pieces you need to replace?
 
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