Gid Rid of my 6 Cartons of Analogs

[Vapoor eyes er]

SUCCESS...I gave away my 6 cartons of Rez tobacco to someone at a non profit I volunteer for. I just found out he sold the tobacco for $60.00 (retail $120.00) and ordered a PV through a Staff member. I now know I gave my analog crap to the right person. He kept 1 carton because his PV is in transit. Will be giving him a bunch of free juice

Edit: sorry it was 12 cartons of T not 6

 

[sidetrack]

When I first started to read this I thought, great help kill someone else or "I wish I would have sold it myself & got the cash" thread. So very happy to be completely wrong! You fine sir or madam have restored my faith in humanity! I love this community.

 

[Concat]

6 cartons for $120? $2.50 a pack?

 

[dmatrix7]

Rez tobacco, we call them native smokes here. Can get a big bag of them for under $10 in my area. They are the worst smokes ever and usually are full of wood and other junk off the floor.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

LOL they're legal reservation tobacco from Rama. 1 carton for $10.00 + $1.76 for the filter tubes (Midland). Sis in Law has a boat just outside of Rama so when we'd visit I'd pick some up. Midland is close to the cottage.

Edit: sorry it was 12 cartons of T not 6 so each package of analogs cost $1.50

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Rez tobacco, we call them native smokes here. Can get a big bag of them for under $10 in my area. They are the worst smokes ever and usually are full of wood and other junk off the floor.

Not quite. The tobac you're speaking of is the pickings. After harvest the locals are allowed to go thru the fields and pick up the scrap and sell it untaxed. The stuff I buy is legal and has no scraps in it and is quite tasty...or at least was
Lots of other really interesting stories about the Aboriginal T Biz. For instance the major player just bought some processing machinery from the Big T companies via a scrap dealer. Threatened lawsuits and other sorts of goodies. That's the reason we are seeing budget analogs in the stores.

 

[Concat]

In what kind of crazy world are cheap smokes a suitable "reparation?" Stupid Canadian government. What other sort of poisons are they getting/selling at a huge discount?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

In what kind of crazy world are cheap smokes a suitable "reparation?" Stupid Canadian government. What other sort of poisons are they getting/selling at a huge discount?

I can kinda understand about the Govt allowing analogs but I've always wondered how on earth did BT ever get permission to add all those extra nasty chemicals knowing they were hazardous to people's health.

 

[brinks7]

Not quite. The tobac you're speaking of is the pickings. After harvest the locals are allowed to go thru the fields and pick up the scrap and sell it untaxed. The stuff I buy is legal and has no scraps in it and is quite tasty...or at least was
Lots of other really interesting stories about the Aboriginal T Biz. For instance the major player just bought some processing machinery from the Big T companies via a scrap dealer. Threatened lawsuits and other sorts of goodies. That's the reason we are seeing budget analogs in the stores.

Further to this and some clarification I am First nations and from a local territory. A number of the manufacturers on the territory are growing there own crops of tobacco. So they use their own product from beginning to end. Of course this is not all just the ones I know personally from my territory.

 

[Concat]

I can kinda understand about the Govt allowing analogs but I've always wondered how on earth did BT ever get permission to add all those extra nasty chemicals knowing they were hazardous to people's health.

Err, no, I meant that letting Natives sell and grow tobacco for super cheap is terrible idea when the only justification is reparations for the past. It's like giving them free nooses and a map to a tree.

Cheap education? Okay, that's a good thing. Cheap smokes? Not really.

 

[brinks7]

Err, no, I meant that letting Natives sell and grow tobacco for super cheap is terrible idea when the only justification is reparations for the past. It's like giving them free nooses and a map to a tree.

Cheap education? Okay, that's a good thing. Cheap smokes? Not really.

It's not based on reparations from the past it is based on treaty rights. These rights were negotiations between too separate nations. And a deal is a deal. We gave up lands and fought with the crown against the
French and Americans based on these agreements. So in a nutshell Canada has no choice but to simply hold up their end of the bargain. Canada dosent have to be happy about it but they are obligated. The cheap tobacco is the same price as anywhere else it is simply not being taxed. This is a very very basic answer as to the principle of the whole situation and would take way more then could be posted in the forum to explain the finer details.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

It's not based on reparations from the past it is based on treaty rights. These rights were negotiations between too separate nations. And a deal is a deal. We gave up lands and fought with the crown against the
French and Americans based on these agreements. So in a nutshell Canada has no choice but to simply hold up their end of the bargain. Canada dosent have to be happy about it but they are obligated. The cheap tobacco is the same price as anywhere else it is simply not being taxed. This is a very very basic answer as to the principle of the whole situation and would take way more then could be posted in the forum to explain the finer details.

Yep agree completely. Aboriginals have been ripped off and treated in a most disgusting manner for far too long and the Feds are getting off cheap. Feds are now dealing with a very well organized, proud and educated NATION. Most that come thru our not for profit org are aboriginal or Inuit and I've gotten to know many of them quite well- in fact some close friendships have formed and I'm grateful for that.

 

[Bdbodger]

I gave up analogs because of the price so not really a good deal for the First Nations people in the long run .

 

[Mindfield]

SUCCESS...I gave away my 6 cartons of Rez Tobacco to someone at a non profit I volunteer for. I just found out he sold the tobacco for $60.00 (retail $120.00) and ordered a PV through a Staff member. I now know I gave my analog crap to the right person. He kept 1 carton because his PV is in transit. Will be giving him a bunch of free juice

Edit: sorry it was 12 cartons of T not 6

Congrats! That's the way to do it.

Rez tobacco, we call them native smokes here. Can get a big bag of them for under $10 in my area. They are the worst smokes ever and usually are full of wood and other junk off the floor.

You ain't kiddin'. I smoked rez sticks for over a year before my switch, and only because they were cheap and I was trying to loosen up the finances. But there must be zero QC wherever those things are made. One pack will be harsh and nasty, the next will have next to no TH, the next will taste like oil-soaked sawdust ... lawz, I hated those things. If they weren't so damn cheap I'd have gone back to my preferred domestic (but non-premium) brand.

 

[mopar]

Seriously Indian smokes are ALL terrible. Every time I got a zip lock bag(carton) or DK's or Putters they all torn up my throat and ripped out my lungs. Don't care if they were free back then I wouldn't smoke them. Normal smokes = your going to die. Indian smokes = your going to die soon. I could feel the difference after smoking them for a night, or running out and bumming a few at a party. I found entire tree branches in the odd cig just terrible.

 

[zer0ith]

Ha try using them for 5 years! I was so cheep back then. It took me at least a couple months to get use to them. After switching back to DM/Bells close to the end it was a world of difference. Still hacking like crazy but it was different.

It was worth it at the time.... Down the road..... Who knows.
However still to this day I still have coughing issues at times.

 

[TheFlyinJ]

My old roommate back in my last year of college used to smoke Putters he'd buy off the Wahta Reservation outside of Bala. The packs they came in didn't close properly so the cigarettes lost most of whatever little moisture they had within hours. Not to mention they were "light" with no vented holes in the filter yet they were like smoking dirty tasting air. When he ran out of Putters he'd buy John Player Silvers which were even more disgusting. I'd hate to see his lungs considering the other stuff he regularly smoked which was below my standards.

 

[Pipeous]

What I don't get is this is all based on stuff from the past. Giving any nationality/race etc special rights over another is just going to continue to fuel bigotry and racism. The only way things will ever change that thinking is to treat every single person equally in this country.

 

[brinks7]

What I don't get is this is all based on stuff from the past. Giving any nationality/race etc special rights over another is just going to continue to fuel bigotry and racism. The only way things will ever change that thinking is to treat every single person equally in this country.

I think what needs to be remembered is that first nations are not given anything everything has came at a price. As an example our lands. The government is merely recognizing their contractual agreements.
The other side to this scenario is should the government no longer wish to recognize their end of the bargain does that mean that we get our land back? I am not saying that in anyway to be offensive but it is a basic principle of an agreement.

 

[Concat]

But what does that mean to this generation? Young people are fully integrated into Canadian culture and civilization. How many generations must pass before this treaty expires?

It's like a birth right at this point. No lands were taken away from these people (in the literal sense... not lands that "would have been"). They were born Canadian like I was. In 200 years, are we still going to talking about how the new generation's lands were taken away?

I agree that the Canadian government can't go back on its word... I'm just saying it's getting nigh time to forget the past. Perhaps reformation is what I'd like to see. No more free rides for Casinos and tobacco, for starters. Education, healthcare, and employment. Three cornerstones that I would not mind providing beneficial treatment.