orlly?? the term harm reduction is everywhere. we're here to support each other; the vast majority have no false expectations about all of this.
Giving up on e-cigarette
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orlly?? the term harm reduction is everywhere. we're here to support each other; the vast majority have no false expectations about all of this.
I believe we have all looked at the negative aspects of vaping. We're all pretty sure that smoking cigarettes is so much worse for us.
Since you're a non smoker I don't see any reason for you to take any risk that you believe exists.
I've read so many posts in this thread, I really find it hard to understand why you'd want to start in the first place, especially considering you have so many concerns with the health aspects of vaping.
Really! Good for you! And when that perfect atomizer is invented that provides none of the risks you worry about, just buy it and come on back.
This thread is what got me cautious about silica wicks, the picture on the first page of the vapor condensate. Anyone know if there is a source for that picture? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html All the guy says is that "he found" that silica does that.
That's true, I over exaggerated just to quip back at the geico guy. The only reason is took up vaping in the first place is because I am a smoker by nature, but cigarettes are terrible. The chemical additives, the tar, and the terrible smell. I can't smoke ........ anymore because it doesn't agree with me (psycho active) I'm not sure if I can mention the word ........ on this forum but I'm sure I'll find out right quick anyway.
Edit: Wow, that as quick.
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hahaha Smoking 2 packs a day for 42 years I ain't worried about a little wool in my lungs. Give me something to cough up like I used to. LOL Odd cigarettes and people going back to smoking, government would like that as I am quite sure they are worried about money and having enough for their paychecks and pension fund. Maybe then government will let us vapors be. 
I might just buy a new battery and order some of this yarn someone posted Simply Cotton Organic Worsted Yarn Knitting Yarn from KnitPicks.com - 100% organic natural & undyed cotton yarn just because I want to have something to smoke on so badly. Hopefully it fits in a mini protank 2 coil.
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Reading the first post in the thread you've linked to, silica wicks would give symptoms like asbestosis. The pic of the wick in thread looks like a worst scenario wick ever. Dry burnt so many times that there's nothing much left of it and all to save a couple of bucks. I can guarantee that none of those I've discarded ever looked anything like that.
I use 'em until they clog and toss 'em in the trash.
Nothing at all to making cotton yarn wicks .... Wrap your coil wire around a 2.4mm (3/32") drill, and you will have enough room to pull a double piece of cotton yarn through it.
BTW ... In most cases, cotton yarn wicks last longer than cotton ball wicks ... and there easy to install.
BTW ... In most cases, cotton yarn wicks last longer than cotton ball wicks ... and there easy to install.
I'm using a mini protank 2. Hard to tell from a picture but your coil looks larger than mine is. I'm just gunna order the yarn and see if it fits. If it doesn't I'm only out 7 bucks.
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it will fit, I buy the same stuff, and have a protank..... sometimes I use a strand, two strands, three, or sometimes the whole string.....
you won't be wasting your money........
it's a better vape than silica, but you do go through more eliquid for sure
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Before I get to my point
I was a smoker for almost 20 yrs., started vaping 7 months ago. I plan to keep on vaping, I love it and am willing to accept the miniscule risks in comparison to cigarettes. I am playing devils advocate for the purpose of informing those that are uninformed.
Please read entire thing before posting negativity. If you still have something negative to say after reading it so be it. But read it first.
Okay with that said
I have been doing alot of research on wicks as of late and they all have some small issue.
Silica:
We use amorphous silica. It is the crystalline silica that flakes off nano particles that when inhaled will eventually causes silicosis. But there has not been enough research done on amorphous silica to say that it is 100% safe when inhaled. There are also no studies to say that inhaling when wet w/ liquid that there isn't any particles that can be inhaled. The research just has not been done.
Ekowool:
same as silica as it is amorphous silica also
Stainless Mesh:
Possibility that the oxidation process could release chromium, a carcinogen. I was unable to find out at which temperature (definitely occurs at welding temperatures) this first occurs so the conclusion cannot be guaranteed either way.
Ceramic:
Lead is a common component in ceramic. Again I am unable to find enough information to guarantee to what degree it would effect us through inhalation, but it is lead. Vendors tend to get ceramic from outside sources and they have no clue just how much lead is in the ceramic. Another one you cannot confirm either way.
Cotton:
You cannot find a 100% confirmation on any of the questions posed in reference to using it for wick. Danger of peroxide inhalation? No research. Now going with unbleached organic is better but what about pesticides? Can they be boiled away? I am doubting it but would love to be proven wrong. Lastly, inhaling cotton dust is dangerous. Causes byssinosis. Inhaling burning cotton is carcinogenic. But for the most part it is wet when we inhale so what happens then. It becomes the same question as with silica. No one knows if it is still possible to inhale nano particles when it is wet.
For reference nano particles of any of these things are dangerous because your lungs can not get rid of these particles. They get stuck and eventually will cause the disease associated with the product that has been inhaled. The thing is we don't even know if we are inhaling nano particles of these wicks.
The only thing I am going to say about coils is with nicochrome you can inhale nickel and chromium. To what degree is this dangerous and at what temperature will it occur, again not enough research. Kanthal when heated to high temperatures (welding) has traces of chromium but we use very little compared to what is toxic.
Now please don't be a jerk because I have posted this info. Alot of us know this stuff. Other than cartos, there isn't enough research to guarantee anything when it comes to the wicks and coils we use in vaping. Even the flavors we use have no safety guarantees when inhaled.
We are the trailblazers when it comes to vaping. Or the guinea pigs.
They all have risks, inhaling anything carries some degree of risks. But it is way healthier than cigarettes by such a large margin that I AM WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK. I refuse to go back to cigarettes and I do not want to quit. My husband who has never smoked or vaped feels the same way. He is very happy that I have found vaping. just do the research or not for yourself. Whatever you choose to use as wick will always be better than cigarettes.
I was a smoker for almost 20 yrs., started vaping 7 months ago. I plan to keep on vaping, I love it and am willing to accept the miniscule risks in comparison to cigarettes. I am playing devils advocate for the purpose of informing those that are uninformed.
Please read entire thing before posting negativity. If you still have something negative to say after reading it so be it. But read it first.
Okay with that said
I have been doing alot of research on wicks as of late and they all have some small issue.
Silica:
We use amorphous silica. It is the crystalline silica that flakes off nano particles that when inhaled will eventually causes silicosis. But there has not been enough research done on amorphous silica to say that it is 100% safe when inhaled. There are also no studies to say that inhaling when wet w/ liquid that there isn't any particles that can be inhaled. The research just has not been done.
Ekowool:
same as silica as it is amorphous silica also
Stainless Mesh:
Possibility that the oxidation process could release chromium, a carcinogen. I was unable to find out at which temperature (definitely occurs at welding temperatures) this first occurs so the conclusion cannot be guaranteed either way.
Ceramic:
Lead is a common component in ceramic. Again I am unable to find enough information to guarantee to what degree it would effect us through inhalation, but it is lead. Vendors tend to get ceramic from outside sources and they have no clue just how much lead is in the ceramic. Another one you cannot confirm either way.
Cotton:
You cannot find a 100% confirmation on any of the questions posed in reference to using it for wick. Danger of peroxide inhalation? No research. Now going with unbleached organic is better but what about pesticides? Can they be boiled away? I am doubting it but would love to be proven wrong. Lastly, inhaling cotton dust is dangerous. Causes byssinosis. Inhaling burning cotton is carcinogenic. But for the most part it is wet when we inhale so what happens then. It becomes the same question as with silica. No one knows if it is still possible to inhale nano particles when it is wet.
For reference nano particles of any of these things are dangerous because your lungs can not get rid of these particles. They get stuck and eventually will cause the disease associated with the product that has been inhaled. The thing is we don't even know if we are inhaling nano particles of these wicks.
The only thing I am going to say about coils is with nicochrome you can inhale nickel and chromium. To what degree is this dangerous and at what temperature will it occur, again not enough research. Kanthal when heated to high temperatures (welding) has traces of chromium but we use very little compared to what is toxic.
Now please don't be a jerk because I have posted this info. Alot of us know this stuff. Other than cartos, there isn't enough research to guarantee anything when it comes to the wicks and coils we use in vaping. Even the flavors we use have no safety guarantees when inhaled.
We are the trailblazers when it comes to vaping. Or the guinea pigs.
They all have risks, inhaling anything carries some degree of risks. But it is way healthier than cigarettes by such a large margin that I AM WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK. I refuse to go back to cigarettes and I do not want to quit. My husband who has never smoked or vaped feels the same way. He is very happy that I have found vaping. just do the research or not for yourself. Whatever you choose to use as wick will always be better than cigarettes.
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People did chime in with legit info about wick materials and safety. Also according to your initial post your first problem was a battery failing because you got liquid on it?
So buy a new battery!
In some small way it seems like your trying to justify not using an e-cig due to that initial problem. Which is fine. It is not for everyone and your entitled to your opinion! More important.... your entitled to make your own choices about what you inhale or ingest
No one here has ever said that vaping is 100% harm reduction.
Because no one really knows. Although many can attest to how much healthier they feel (with Dr's tests to prove it)
So please evaluate that while making your choices for yourself
It seems that except for the failed battery vaping was working for you.
Was it your own research or other people against it that put a bug in your ear that it was bad?
Really good posts above ^ much better than bashing someone for assessing the risks of e-cigs.
Organic cotton should be free of pesticides. Also, if the cotton is wet, I wouldn't think there is any dust produced. Byssinosis is found in people who work cotton factories, that's a hefty amount of exposure.
Well, to be honest... you were't assessing anything. Instead you were pronouncing and "judging" things as unsafe. So much so that you quit.
Thank you
I have no interest in bashing you. It has to be your own personal choice!
I would no sooner to tell you that you must eat the same foods that I like because I like them.
Please understand that some of us get defensive about vaping because there is an entire Lobby against it. Those people against it are not really worried about our health or the health of young children. (As they claim)
It is more about government making tax dollars off of real cigs or people who wish to tell others what they should do with their lives... Even when those choices do not affect or harm them in any way.
That being said, I think that most of us are more than willing to discuss potential dangers or concerns about using e-cigs.
It is a difficult conversation since so much propaganda is out there.
First off yes there are pesticides in cotton. Those are three of many links available.
URL=://www.ota.com/organic/environment/cotton_environment.html"]http://www.ota.com/organic/environment/cotton_environment.html[/URL
url=://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/about_freshwater/freshwater_problems/thirsty_crops/cotton/]WWF - Cotton Farming[/url
url=://www.panna.org/resources/cotton]Cotton | Pesticide Action Network[/url
And yes organic cotton uses pesticide just not synthetic pesticide and generally uses less than conventional cotton.
url=://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_cotton]Organic cotton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url
And lastly.
[url=://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0057987]PLOS ONE: Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol[/url]
[url=://nano.foe.org.au/node/350]Nanoparticle exposure related to serious lung damage, deaths of Chinese workers | Nanotechnology Project - Friends of the Earth[/url]
[URL=://www.missouristate.edu/assets/Sustainability/MSU_DRAFT_Nano_Best_Practices_for_Labs_2013.pdf"]http://www.missouristate.edu/assets/Sustainability/MSU_DRAFT_Nano_Best_Practices_for_Labs_2013.pdf[/URL]
The information that I am trying to impart is that we do not know to what degree we are inhaling the nano particles of these things. And nano particles are what hurts us long term. It is the nano particles in crystalline silica that causes silicosis.
DO we still inhale these when the wick is wet? It would seem unlikely but the research has not been done!
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Providing information that is relevant to the original post is trolling. good to know
I didn't even start this thread. It is important to be aware of this stuff. Do what you will with it. I am going to keep vaping and staying aware of whats going on in regards to safety. But it is still better than smoking. that won't change.
Providing information that is relevant to the original post is trolling. good to know
I didn't even start this thread. It is important to be aware of this stuff. Do what you will with it. I am going to keep vaping and staying aware of whats going on in regards to safety. But it is still better than smoking. that won't change.
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I feel so lucky that I am already 70, cause there isn't much chance that nano particles are going to get to me before I leave the earth. But this sure is one of those times when I hope there is "tv in heaven" so I can keep my eye on findings about e-cigs 30 or 40 years out.
Oh..P.S. what about all the stuff that is used to make filters for cigs--don't those get into our lungs, too? And what the holy heck is in those thousands and thousands of filters that I sucked on anyhow?
Oh..P.S. what about all the stuff that is used to make filters for cigs--don't those get into our lungs, too? And what the holy heck is in those thousands and thousands of filters that I sucked on anyhow?
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