Glantz logic at its best.

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/06/25/417200720/with-more-people-quitting-smoking-do-we-need-e-cigarettes

Glantz using his best logic.

"The fundamental thing is that harm reduction is wrong," says Dr. Stanton Glantz, senior author of the study and director of the Center of tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California, San Francisco. "It's not an irrational idea, but it's just not happening."

The study results suggest that current tobacco control policies already in place are working. Glantz says. He and first author Margarete Kulik, a postdoctoral fellow at UCSF, attribute the general decline in smokers to this success, which includes the debut of clean indoor air laws that ban smoking inside workplaces, restaurants and other facilities. National media campaigns that aimed to de-normalize smoking and raised cigarette taxes also helped.

 

[AndriaD]

There are none so blind... as those paid not to see.

Andria

 

[DC2]

I am a Christian, and I try not to hate, but rather forgive.
In the case of Satan GlANTZ, I will do neither.

God will judge him, and I'm sure I'll be happy with how that goes.
And I will continue to truly hate him.

 

[caramel]

"The fundamental thing is that seatbelts are wrong" said in a parallel universe Dr. Antz while heading NHTSA. "The only proven way to avoid crash fatalities is through not driving". "Policies already in place are working: there has been a significant decline in crashes on streets declared pedestrian only".

Questioned on the seatbelts potential to save lifes, dr. Antz replied "But you're still crashing, you just get a different set of injuries".

 

[DrMA]

LOL glANTZ argument: the more people quit smoking, the more there are people who've quit. IOW, we're winning, but for some reason only we can see it.

 

[Jman8]

Not the first time someone has said this, but it seems pretty clear to me, that if smoking becomes a thing of the past in the next 10 years, Glantz et al. will take 100% of the credit, and say eCigs are the next thing to get rid of.

Would be like an anti-Kodak person claiming they're work, alone, is responsible for why Kodak is no longer in business and next up is to get rid of digital cameras.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

 

[caramel]

Not the first time someone has said this, but it seems pretty clear to me, that if smoking becomes a thing of the past in the next 10 years, Glantz et al. will take 100% of the credit, and say eCigs are the next thing to get rid of.

Would be like an anti-Kodak person claiming they're work, alone, is responsible for why Kodak is no longer in business and next up is to get rid of digital cameras.

"Digital cameras are the scourge of our millenium"' declared in a parallel universe Dr. Antz, head of EPA. "You can't navigate more than three internet pages without seeing a cat pic. People just can't imagine what a monumental waste of energy this is, how much carbon is emitted in order to do everything from spinning disks in the datacenters to powering the user devices. Not to mention pollution with everything from lithium to radio waves. Our agency is firmly engaged into eradicating digital cameras and associated waste".

 

[caramel]

LOL glANTZ argument: the more people quit smoking, the more there are people who've quit. IOW, we're winning, but for some reason only we can see it.

The more people start smoking, the more will eventually quit. We're winning!

 

[AndriaD]

Just doing my part to thumb my nose at all Dr Antz's everywhere.

Andria

 

[caramel]

I think the Antz are seeing the rug being pulled from under their feet:

Vapor Sales Could Soon Smoke Cigarettes - Barron's

and are grasping at straws.

 

[caramel]

Just wondering - if everything is now rosy and smooth working, didn't antz become largely unnecessary? Time to make them redundant too.....

On the other hand:

Now we know better. The 2014 U.S. Surgeon General's report concluded that nicotine is addictive, that a high-enough dosage can be very toxic in a short amount of time, and that exposure to nicotine during pregnancy and childhood can have serious adverse consequences.

Maybe it's time now to work on dietary recommendations for pregnant women and minors that exclude tomatoes, potatoes or derived products. The antz could work on banning these.

 

[Steamix]

Well, maybe da good doc don't smoke - but he sure seems to be his own best patient for psychoactive prescription medication...

 

[Lessifer]

Glantz:"The 2014 U.S. Surgeon General's report concluded that nicotine is addictive"

Surgeon General:
"However, all forms of nicotine delivery do not pose an equal risk in establishing or maintaining nicotine addiction. NRT medicines, which are designed to minimize addiction risk, carry a low risk of establishing addiction and are generally substantially easier to discontinue than tobacco products (Henningfield et al. 2011; WHO 2012)."

How has this man not been fired, or lynched?
So nicotine in cigarettes is addictive, nicotine in NRT is not, nicotine in e-cigs(which is the same as that in NRT) is addictive?
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttt?????

 

[nicnik]

Glantz:"The 2014 U.S. Surgeon General's report concluded that nicotine is addictive"

Surgeon General:
"However, all forms of nicotine delivery do not pose an equal risk in establishing or maintaining nicotine addiction. NRT medicines, which are designed to minimize addiction risk, carry a low risk of establishing addiction and are generally substantially easier to discontinue than tobacco products (Henningfield et al. 2011; WHO 2012)."

How has this man not been fired, or lynched?
So nicotine in cigarettes is addictive, nicotine in NRT is not, nicotine in e-cigs(which is the same as that in NRT) is addictive?
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttt?????

I don't think they were quoting Glantz with that statement, although I think he's said it before, and the hypocracy you point out is there. But that statement seems like NPR attempting to misinform (with RWJF whispering in their ear what to say).

<QUOTE>
People used to believe that nicotine kept people addicted to cigarettes but that it wasn't dangerous itself. The smoke was thought to be the source of harmful toxins. So the idea was to introduce new ways to deliver nicotine such as e-cigarettes that could give people the nicotine they desired but didn't involve burning tobacco.

Now we know better. The 2014 U.S. Surgeon General's report concluded that nicotine is addictive, that a high-enough dosage can be very toxic in a short amount of time, and that exposure to nicotine during pregnancy and childhood can have serious adverse consequences. E-cigarettes deliver nicotine and other chemicals to users, but in vapor instead of smoke.
<END QUOTE>

Nope. People used to think nicotine was THE problem and many still do. ANTZ are fighting the science that has increasingly been showing that it is not very dangerous outside of it's ability to contribute to continued smoking.

 

[AndriaD]

What a bunch of lying weasels, and Glanz is the biggest weasel of all, he's the Head Weasel in Charge. Everything that comes out of his mouth now, I keep flashing back to the Henley song, "Garden of Allah" -- "I am an expert witness, because I say I am."

Andria

 

[caramel]

Rebuttal here:

Stanton Glantz Produces A Study Which Proves Himself Wrong | Dick Puddlecote