Gluten free

[jagerlager]

Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum , and to vaping. I have posted this question in the new members forum as well, but thought I would get more info here.
I would like to re-fill some of my green smoke cartomizers with some other liquids to test the waters a bit and see whats out there.
I wanted to go with a company close to me that is reputable, and I am relatively near both Johnson Creek and Copper Creek ( I am in the U.P. of Michigan).
My trouble is that I need to consider gluten free in my choices ( I am celiac).

Johnson Creek has replied to my e mail with a statement that I should not use their e- liquid as there is a good chance it contains gluten.

I have not heard back from Copper Creek yet.

mount baker (not anywhere near me) has assured me that there should be no gluten in theirs.

Green smoke states that they cannot guaranty gluten free, but their cartomizers (flavors) do not contain gluten as an ingredient.

Can you give any recommendations as to which way to go for starters? I am leaning toward mount baker initially but I would like to try Copper creek as well. maybe someone has experience with this or copper creek?

The flavors I am most interested in at this time are coffee/chocolate, tobacco, cream/vanilla type, and a mint/menthol.

Thank you!

 

[spaceballsrules]

Give Virgin Vapor a try. Annette ensures that all of her ingredients are gluten free, and states it on her website - Allergic Reactions to E-liquid | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes

 

[jagerlager]

Good tip, Thanks. I just checked out her website... looks good!

 

[spaceballsrules]

Here is another option - ECBlend E-Liquid All Natural and Organic

 

[Rocketpunk]

I'm a server in a restaurant. Been serving since 1998. Only recently, I'd say the past four to five years, I keep seeing gluten-free people coming in. Celiac disease. The first time someone asked me about it, I jokingly said, "We don't serve Klingon here." I was woefully uneducated about it back then.

But how come it's all of a sudden a new thing? I was serving the same food to people eight years ago and no one ever complained. Is the celiac disease a new discovery? I mean, we now have gluten-free menus at work. But where were they x amount of years ago? Why now?

 

[VidGamrJ]

I'm a server in a restaurant. Been serving since 1998. Only recently, I'd say the past four to five years, I keep seeing gluten-free people coming in. Celiac disease. The first time someone asked me about it, I jokingly said, "We don't serve Klingon here." I was woefully uneducated about it back then.

But how come it's all of a sudden a new thing? I was serving the same food to people eight years ago and no one ever complained. Is the celiac disease a new discovery? I mean, we now have gluten-free menus at work. But where were they x amount of years ago? Why now?

I'm in the same boat. Been in restaurants for 15 years now and never once heard of gluten free until last year. As soon as the first person came in saying they were gluten free and I was like "huh?", all of the sudden they started coming out of the woodwork and suddenly the majority of people were gluten free. I'm still mystified about this became a condition seemingly over night.

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[seahawkin]

I am gluten intolerant and I buy a great deal from mt baker vapor. Great prices and shipping. Sometimes they even have a dude online when I am shopping to answer questions directly.

 

[jagerlager]

Thanks again for the tips guys! I will look into those as well!
Most people a generation ago with celiac disease I think were just treated for their symptoms. Heartburn, Arthritis, anxiety... etc. I don't think doctors generally considered certain auto immune disorders that we know more about today. Unlike a wheat allergy Celiac is in the same boat as and inter mingled with MS, crohns, rheumatoid arthritis, sjogrens, lupus, etc... One of the issues today is that our wheat is genetically messed with and is causing mild symptoms with quite a few people, so Gluten free has become a bit of a fad diet. But for people who are allergic/ intolerant or celiac it is a very real thing.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I don't mean to come across as rude, but a lot of them can't help repeating the fact that they're gluten free. "May I have the gluten-free menu? Thank you. I'll have an iced tea, but I'm gluten free, so make sure no one touches bread then touches the glass. I'll have a steak, but I'm gluten-free, so make sure they handle it with tongs. I'll also have a house salad, but no croutons, because I'm gluten free. Make sure they use different gloves. And I'll have the baked potato, but I'm gluten-free, so..."

By this point I want to shove a loaf of bread into their faces. Sometimes, when I set down bread for the other non-gluten-free at their table for the other people in their party, they act like I just set down a chunk of radioactive waste.

 

[UncHellMatt]

But how come it's all of a sudden a new thing? I was serving the same food to people eight years ago and no one ever complained. Is the celiac disease a new discovery? I mean, we now have gluten-free menus at work. But where were they x amount of years ago? Why now?

It's not a new thing, more like there's been more research done on the subject. Celiacs has been around for a very long time, but only within the last 20 years or so have researches found that gluten allergies can have a dramatic result for people who have autoimmune issues. My GF has Lupus, and for a while it was pretty bad. The medications they can give you were nearly as bad as the illness! She went gluten free at her doctor's suggestion, and it was like night and day. When we first got together, she couldn't even lift her arms over her head, her body was in effect attacking her joints. At one point, her immune system even attacked her optic nerves. She gave gluten free a try and all that went away, genuinely just faded away. She still has some issues, of course, and still takes medication, but a much more mild one.

I take it much more seriously now after reading some of the research papers, and after seeing the effect on her. And on the effect of having ingested something with gluten when she was unaware.... That was pretty hard. One minute, just fine. Then ... Not so much. Some people can be pretty snooty and pushy about it, and I don't blame servers for the irritation. Some customers can be real jerks about it! At the same time, I can understand the people who are pushy about it. If they get so much as a crumb of bread in their food, they can spend the next 24-48 hours in excruciating pain.

 

[flintlock62]

Handle food with tongs? Change gloves? Don't touch the bread, then the glass? Is gluten THAT poisonous? People over reacting, me thinks?

Unrelated, but I worked at a convenience store where they asked me to be armed because they had been robbed a few times. One customer came in and said "you've got a gun"! I said, "yes, and I know how to use it too, buddy"!

I don't mean to come across as rude, but a lot of them can't help repeating the fact that they're gluten free. "May I have the gluten-free menu? Thank you. I'll have an iced tea, but I'm gluten free, so make sure no one touches bread then touches the glass. I'll have a steak, but I'm gluten-free, so make sure they handle it with tongs. I'll also have a house salad, but no croutons, because I'm gluten free. Make sure they use different gloves. And I'll have the baked potato, but I'm gluten-free, so..."

By this point I want to shove a loaf of bread into their faces. Sometimes, when I set down bread for the other non-gluten-free at their table for the other people in their party, they act like I just set down a chunk of radioactive waste.

 

[UncHellMatt]

Handle food with tongs? Change gloves? Don't touch the bread, then the glass? Is gluten THAT poisonous? People over reacting, me thinks?

Unfortunately, nope. Even using a non-stick skillet that's been used for cooking foods heavy in gluten, for someone with celiacs in particular, there can be a pretty drastic effect. I know it does sound a little over the top, but check out the research. At first I was a total cynic, I admit, but after reading up on it and then seeing it first hand, I'm more than convinced.

 

[TxVpLvr]

My mom has Celiac and I can tell you that she is probably one of the people you would think is "over reacting" but that is not the case. After years of severe abdomial pain, other health issues, lots of time out of work, and tons of testing by different doctors she is finally pain free....until the cooks at a restaurant fry her french fries in the same grease that they just fried chicken strips in (batter is made of flour/gluten/wheat)....out of commission for 3 days. It is definitely not that she is trying to be rude or pushy to a waiter or manager but she knows that if they accidentally put croutons on her salad and then simply remove them she will then be out of commission for 3 days again. Some cases of celiac are not as severe as hers and some people just prefer gluten free but since no one knows the lifestyle or health condition of another individual please try to understand that it could be life or death to that customer.

 

[jagerlager]

"If they get so much as a crumb of bread in their food, they can spend the next 24-48 hours in excruciating pain."

Yup.

 

[matador]

jagerlager, hows the search for gluten-free juice going? I was curious if you found any juice that definitely has gluten in it. Both my kids have Celiac. Not that I blow vapor in their face, but I want to make sure im not causing them any harm. The only hidden source of gluten I can think might be in juices is 'caramel coloring'.

 

[aubergine]

Lupus, Lyme disease, multiple sclerosis and AIDS were all considered "in the head" once upon a time, by the medical community and the general public. That certainly sucked for the afflicted.
Just sayin'.

 

[StereoDreamer]

I'm surprised that Johnson Creek would have any gluten in their juice. Good of them to warn you, but I'm a little puzzled at their response.

There is absolutely NO reason for ANY gluten to be in any vape product. Wheat is not used in the manufacture of any flavors or sweeteners used in vaping that I was aware of. Then again, food manufacturers are putting wheat solids in ALL sort of foods for absolutely NO reason, these days.

My step-daughters are celiac and my granddaughter is being raised gluten-free. So I read EVERY food label I bring into the house, so be sure which ones they can and cannot have when I cook for them.

But wheat products in e0liquids makes absolutely NO sense. The only real reason to put it in there is to surrepititiously feed you GMO wheat, which is IMO why they put wheat solids into other foods. It's a form of bio-chemical warfare they are waging against the American People.

But e-liquid? What's up with that?

Perhaps Johnson Creek's affiliation with BLU/Lorrilard is much more nefarious than we suspect...

 

[sachavaca]

wow if I had reaction like that to glutan I damn sure would not risk eating out, unless resturaunt specialized in glutan free

 

[StereoDreamer]

jagerlager, hows the search for gluten-free juice going? I was curious if you found any juice that definitely has gluten in it. Both my kids have Celiac. Not that I blow vapor in their face, but I want to make sure im not causing them any harm. The only hidden source of gluten I can think might be in juices is 'caramel coloring'.

Oh, forgot about that one. Most "caramel coloring" is made from wheat--you are correct. And only people who's life depends on it (like Celiacs and their families) knows this because they sure as heck don't tell you that on the food labels...

One of the interesting things about gluten intolerance is that the proteins that Celiacs react to are removed from wheat-based alcohol during distillation. So someone who is gluten-intolerant can drink clear wheat-derived liquors and stuff like high-end Scotch that gets its coloring from the casks, but NOT most American-made whiskey, because most of them get their golden color from caramel coloring added after distillation.

 

[sachavaca]

I'm surprised that Johnson Creek would have any gluten in their juice. Good of them to warn you, but I'm a little puzzled at their response.

There is absolutely NO reason for ANY gluten to be in any vape product. Wheat is not used in the manufacture of any flavors or sweeteners used in vaping that I was aware of. Then again, food manufacturers are putting wheat solids in ALL sort of foods for absolutely NO reason, these days.

My step-daughters are celiac and my granddaughter is being raised gluten-free. So I read EVERY food label I bring into the house, so be sure which ones they can and cannot have when I cook for them.

But wheat products in e0liquids makes absolutely NO sense. The only real reason to put it in there is to surrepititiously feed you GMO wheat, which is IMO why they put wheat solids into other foods. It's a form of bio-chemical warfare they are waging against the American People.

But e-liquid? What's up with that?

Perhaps Johnson Creek's affiliation with BLU/Lorrilard is much more nefarious than we suspect...

maybe they do not know for certain and feel its not worth risking