Go-Go Specific: Thread for All things Go Go

[woolfe99]

Purely conjecture on my part but I think I only get a few days between cleanings due to how I vape. I bought out a members stuff so I have both new and old style, pre-fill and blanks. They all seem to get weak after a few days.

I am off the anologs 3 months now but off the smokeless tobacco 2 weeks. To get anything resembling the nicotene hit I got from the dip, I rarely take a hit that doesn't reach the cut-off. I also chain vape and keep the coil smoking, literally. The few cartos I have rebuilt took quite a bit of coil dry burn to clear the build up.

Since I never vape anything thicker than pg80/20vg, I am guessing I am choking the coil off in a few days by keeping the coil scorching hot and carmelizing the juice more rapidly than it would normally. It works for me though and I have no complaints. I have yet to get a burned carto or filler but I do keep them wet with 4-5 ML a day.

I doubt many are the fiend that I am while still killing the Copenhagen urge but I am wondering if the vaping habits of others who may take repeated hits in a short time may be effectively doing the same coil clutter as I am. I only see one other vaper in person and I have noticed she tends to press the button a full second or two before she takes a hit.

I can see based on my findings while cleaning how the extra heat generated by rapid and long duration pulls might cause a performance degradation more quickly than a normal vaper. And it may be a bad batch as others have surmised. I just know the GO-GO and carts gets it done for me so my only complaints relate to hardware quality or lack there of. The vape itself is great.

My vaping habits are similar to yours. I don't go through as much juice in a day, probably wait longer between vaping sessions, but when I vape, I tend to do several drags in succession, and I tend to take fairly long drags. It hasn't caused you to have burnt filler yet, probably because you haven't bought any of the cartos from this batch. I am curious if anyone commenting here has bought go-carts from cigeasy in the past 10 days and takes long and/or repeated draws like this.

What I believe is the problem is that the filler is packed unevenly which produces uneven density. The liquid, which I drip into the top (on most fills), encounters fill of varying densities as gravity pulls it downward. When you have varying densities, the liquid will take the path of least resistance (lowest density) to the bottom. Hence, when the filler is pulled out, you observe that the bottom and top are wet, and there is a lone river of liquid passing through one side of the center area, while the bulk of the center area is bone dry.

When you vape, the liquid should vaporize first from the bottom portion, which is initially wet. As that liquid vaporizes , liquid from further up gets pulled down by gravity to replace it. This happens quite quickly when the entire area immediately above the bottom, wet portion is saturated with liquid. But when that area is bone dry save a small river that is delivering liquid from the top of the filler, it takes longer to replenish. Hence, if you vape several times in one minute and/or run the current too long, you end up with a dry bottom that burns. I'm at about 80% certainty that this is what is happening.

I'm off to the drugstore to get a syringe so that I can inject the liquid throughout every portion of the filler. In theory, that should take care of the problem, but at this point I am not optimistic.

- wolf

 

[Curvychic]

I will give that a try! I think I may have inadvertently pushed it down when I stuck my black, blank ego T tip into the top. I realized after I put it in that I would need to trim it. LOL I'll keep playing around with it and see what happens. Thanks again everyone for the very helpful tips!!!

Hey CC, here's another thing to check. Now that your carto filler is all wet, try some gentle down pressure on the filler. The seemingly-small capacity that you describe COULD be caused by the filler not being properly seated all the way to the bottom of the carto. Picture it this way...the juice in the filler kind of builds up upon itself. The filler itself will hold so much, but the filler seated down properly will have solid bottom to better support the weight of the juice. I can't describe how hard to push down, but it shouldn't take much. If you overdo it, you can always pull it back up a bit. Even if you do overdo it...if it solves this problem then you know you're on the right track. Many times, this unseated filler will also result in a burned taste, because once all of the extra fluid drips out, then there is no filler touching the coil and therefore no fluid to vaporize.

 

[dmj4]

I bought 3 bottles from a store and 7 online. It seems like they all have the metallic taste. Could it be anything other than the juice? Thanks

 

[Curvychic]

I really don't know much about the Go-Go since I just got it today, but I figured I'd throw that in there about the juices since I've been talking with some people who experience a weirdness in some juices.

I can't remember, but did you say whether or not you let the juice sit for a bit and soak into the filler? I can't see how that would taste metallic, but again, I don't know much about these devices yet. I'm sure one of the "go-to" go-go whizzes will be by in a few to help you out. Good luck!! And once you find out what the problem is, be sure to post it here so that others will know in case they encounter this problem too.

I bought 3 bottles from a store and 7 online. It seems like they all have the metallic taste. Could it be anything other than the juice? Thanks

 

[Rainbowz]

For anyone looking for a deal on a Go-Go, one of the members here has some for sale at an introductory price. It's a new website so he wants you to know you will be "guinea pigs" to see how well the ordering goes on it. The GoGo (kit) comes complete with the PV, Charger, USB cable, two batteries, cone, and five blank Go-Carts. Only 49.95! The link below will take you to his forum with the details and a link to the ordering website.


Vendor Startup Selling GoGo's

 

[Devonmoonshire]

For anyone looking for a deal on a Go-Go, one of the members here has some for sale at an introductory price. It's a new website so he wants you to know you will be "guinea pigs" to see how well the ordering goes on it. The GoGo (kit) comes complete with the PV, Charger, USB cable, two batteries, cone, and five blank Go-Carts. Only 49.95! The link below will take you to his forum with the details and a link to the ordering website.


Vendor Startup Selling GoGo's

This is absolutely True and the Vendor is also a Go Go User himself and is also using one of the units he received with the shipment so they have been verified as actual Go Go's Get em while they're hot

Nate aka Darth Vapor

 

[Major]

Hey Major, curious, what nic are you using? Sounds like you could bump it up a bit...

With the GO-GO I had to go to 30 or even 24 mg of juice since the 36mg I was using was literally making me ill. Part of the "problem" if you call it that, is the method of nicotene delivery. I am trying to metabolize enough nicotene through my lungs to replace the massive infusion I was getting directly through the membranes in my lip/mouth.

As my doctor had repeatedly told me, there's a reason why the patches and gum for smoking cessation aren't approved for treating smokeless tobacco addiction. But it's all good! Just takes a tad longer this way.

 

[Major]

My vaping habits are similar to yours. I don't go through as much juice in a day, probably wait longer between vaping sessions, but when I vape, I tend to do several drags in succession, and I tend to take fairly long drags. It hasn't caused you to have burnt filler yet, probably because you haven't bought any of the cartos from this batch. I am curious if anyone commenting here has bought go-carts from cigeasy in the past 10 days and takes long and/or repeated draws like this.

What I believe is the problem is that the filler is packed unevenly which produces uneven density. The liquid, which I drip into the top (on most fills), encounters fill of varying densities as gravity pulls it downward. When you have varying densities, the liquid will take the path of least resistance (lowest density) to the bottom. Hence, when the filler is pulled out, you observe that the bottom and top are wet, and there is a lone river of liquid passing through one side of the center area, while the bulk of the center area is bone dry.

When you vape, the liquid should vaporize first from the bottom portion, which is initially wet. As that liquid vaporizes , liquid from further up gets pulled down by gravity to replace it. This happens quite quickly when the entire area immediately above the bottom, wet portion is saturated with liquid. But when that area is bone dry save a small river that is delivering liquid from the top of the filler, it takes longer to replenish. Hence, if you vape several times in one minute and/or run the current too long, you end up with a dry bottom that burns. I'm at about 80% certainty that this is what is happening.

I'm off to the drugstore to get a syringe so that I can inject the liquid throughout every portion of the filler. In theory, that should take care of the problem, but at this point I am not optimistic.

- wolf

Good points all but before I bought the other members gear, I had bought 5 new style prefill and 5 blank cartos about 2 weeks ago now. So unintentionally, I wound up with a good cross section of cartos shipped and sold the last 2.5 months. I might add that I did pull a new prefill apart as noted in an older post and the center was juiced fairly evenly with the rest of the filler when unrolled.

Since all rebuilds are blanks, I also noted that a rebuild that had been filled and a new blank that had been filled showed the dry middle we are dealing with. In fact the prefills are the only ones to give me the high end of the "4-5 days" I mentioned. More like 3.5-4 on a blank fill and 4.5-5 on a prefill. But again, that still resolves no problems many of us are dealing with regards dry middles.

Hopefully someone will figure a fill and refill method that takes full use of the filler.

 

[Major]

I know it has ben mentioned once or twice before but has anyone messed with the alternate filler materials for rebuilds? A more absorbent material might yield a better soaking of the juice throughout but not sure how that would affect longeivity of the carto before needing a rebuild.

 

[cleolove]

I have the best luck filling Go-carts with a syringe, and I start at the bottom, release a little, turn the carto, release a little, then pull the syringe out a bit, release a little more, turning and pulling the syringe til I get to the top. This way I know the entire filler is soaked, and I seem to get quite a bit more juice in there than if I just drip and wait, drip and wait, drip and wait.

I really think that the latest batch of cartos is simply bad. This concerns me with all the new go-go users, having their first experience with this wonderful PV with bad cartos. Could all those who have had problems with the current cartos post where they got them? Are they all coming from cigeasy or nhaler, or both? I'm just curious and if we discover they are all coming from one vendor, I'd be willing to contact that vendor and ask what's up on behalf of the Go-Go Nation. I am afraid to buy more Go-Carts til we figure out what is going on with these. I have about 30 left from when I first bought mine, and I have never had a problem with a single one of them.

Welcome, all new members, please hang in there if you are having problems, hopefully we can work with the vendors to solve some of them. The Go-Go really is the best PV I've ever used! Don't let some bad batch of cartos make you give up on it.

 

[Tom10]

The problems being spoken about on the GoGo cartos are new and only being experienced by a few users. So, I've been trying to find out why. There haven't been any problems with filling the cartos or wicking from the cartos. The GoGo's have been solid as a rock with long-term consistency and reliability. This is why they became popular.

I just want to mention some generalities that might or might not be the root of the problems:

As a general rule, thick juices don't work well, gum things up, clog things up sooner or later, don't wick well at all, and grossly limit the life of whatever you use them in. This would be true for nearly all PV's, not just the GoGo. So, juices with high VG content are naturally associated with all kinds of problems. The fix is to dilute VG with 10 - 15% distilled water and/or Vodka and shaking it well before putting the juice in your PV. Diluting VG with PG may not be enough. Trying to chain vape with a thick juice would make matters much worse because VG moves slowly through fillers and wicking materials. It's also true that thick VG does not saturate filler material well, so this may be why some people are noticing dry centers in their fillers. There would still be problems, even if the carto was left to stand all night.

There are several methods to successfully fill a carto and not have any problems - UNLESS you are using thick juice. I mix my own juice and typically make it 75% PG / 25% VG - however I thin the VG with at least 10% distilled water before making my measurements. I can fill a carto and have it saturated well within 5 minutes. I roll the carto upright between my palms for about 30 seconds to distribute the juice evenly in the carto. It works, but only because my juice isn't thick. Further, it vapes well immediately.

I've read here about people using juice that's 70 to 100% VG, and I don't know how they do it UNLESS they thin it first. Bluntly, it shouldn't work - but if it did - only for a short period of time before clogging up. Yes, there would be some pretty bad tastes rather quickly - why - the thick liquid didn't replace the used up liquid fast enough - so you would be burning filler instead of juice. Possible solution - thin the thick juice with 10 to 15 % distilled water before putting it in your PV. I hope this helps some of you.

 

[madmach]

Well last night played with four carts two new ones and 2old ones.I filled them up with juice and let sit for 5 minutes then toke them apart and they were wet top to bottom and i use a 80%pg to 20%vg or 70%pg to 30%vg.and did try both last night and the used carts are a month old but all of mime stuff has come from nhaler but they both get the stuff from the same place in china so the should be the same.so i looked back at some of the posts and did not see werethey mentioned what type of juice they were using.and did read that some people having trouble with the juice from some of the vendors were it would not wick right

 

[Cigarman]

I just got in two Echo-e cartos from Cropduster and a beautiful stainless GoGo kit from Billb! Very happy at this point with both the vendors and the items. I've been using a true 3.7 Ego with Dual-coil 1.25's and loving it, so this is what i compare both to, using the same tobacco @36mg, 17%vg that I love from Tastyvapors.
Voltages on the Ego and Gogo were at 3.9 noload, ohm rating of both the Echo-e and GoGo carts were 2.7, I plugged the bottom ends, filled via syringe and did a mild taryn spin to settle the juice. I got a bit over 3ml in the GoGo and only 2.5 in the Echo-e. Vaping wise, I find the Echo-e produces slightly more vapor than the GoGo in the beginning, and slightly more than the Dual's on the Ego. Right now (1 hour later), They all seem to produce about the same vape and I can't tell any difference in taste at this point, but my buds could be fried again too. None of these produce as much vapor as the little 5v Foxy box mod though! So now I know that 5V is more powerful and produces more vapor than any 3.7 device using any atty/carto on the market (that I've tried).
Bottom line on these; I like and will used them all! I guess the next move is to try some fruit, coffee and cigar flavors on all three and compare.

 

[Quitter]

Hey Cigarman - where did you get the dual coil cartos from?

 

[Curvychic]

I'm thinking my issues may just be my filling method with the syringe since I'm a total noob. I tried the qtip method with another carto, recapped and just let it sit for a bit. Haven't checked it as of yet, but I will check here in a few and post back the results. I'm not getting any burnt tastes at all, just not getting anywhere near 3mL into the carto before it starts leaking out of the bottom. I'm using higher PG juices--mostly 80pg/20vg and 70pg/30vg. I prefer higher PG for flavor purposes and because I previously used an egoT where thicker, VG heavy juices didn't wick well. I still love this little Go-Go and will be ordering another one through Bill once I get some money!!! Ego-T's will be collecting dust....LOL

Edited to add:
Okay, just checked my second carto and here's the deal:

I filled this up this morning around 8:30am EST with probably about 2.5mL of 70pg/30vg KBV Jolly Park Ranger using the qtip method combined with dripping down the sides and syringe methods. I left the bottom cap on while filling. It's been sitting on my shelf untouched and capped for approx 5 hrs. Just picked it up. Rolled it in my hands like someone else suggested, pulled the bottom cap off and a few drops of juice came out. It definitely appears that there is more juice contained in this carto then the first one I filled, since the first one started dripping like wild before I could get a full 1.5mL in there. So, my conclusion...user error. LOL I will continue to use this exact method for the time being since I only vape about 2-3mLs a day and I don't mind the carto sitting all night or for several hours to wick *really* well! These are brand new cartos too, so maybe they just need a really good soaking before first use.

LOVING my Go-Go!!!!

 

[mohawkx]

I'm thinking my issues may just be my filling method with the syringe since I'm a total noob. I tried the qtip method with another carto, recapped and just let it sit for a bit. Haven't checked it as of yet, but I will check here in a few and post back the results. I'm not getting any burnt tastes at all, just not getting anywhere near 3mL into the carto before it starts leaking out of the bottom. I'm using higher PG juices--mostly 80pg/20vg and 70pg/30vg. I prefer higher PG for flavor purposes and because I previously used an egoT where thicker, VG heavy juices didn't wick well. I still love this little Go-Go and will be ordering another one through Bill once I get some money!!! Ego-T's will be collecting dust....LOL

Edited to add:
Okay, just checked my second carto and here's the deal:

I filled this up this morning around 8:30am EST with probably about 2.5mL of 70pg/30vg KBV Jolly Park Ranger using the qtip method combined with dripping down the sides and syringe methods. I left the bottom cap on while filling. It's been sitting on my shelf untouched and capped for approx 5 hrs. Just picked it up. Rolled it in my hands like someone else suggested, pulled the bottom cap off and a few drops of juice came out. It definitely appears that there is more juice contained in this carto then the first one I filled, since the first one started dripping like wild before I could get a full 1.5mL in there. So, my conclusion...user error. LOL I will continue to use this exact method for the time being since I only vape about 2-3mLs a day and I don't mind the carto sitting all night or for several hours to wick *really* well! These are brand new cartos too, so maybe they just need a really good soaking before first use.

LOVING my Go-Go!!!!

You've hit the nail on the head. Brand new horizontal coil, large capacity cartos need a good soaking in juice to wick properly. The first fill sets the stage for the life of the carto. I've noticed that once the filler is totally soaked it will wick properly and refills and top offs are a breeze. but until that time it's touch and go. On a brand new carto, people need to fill and wait. Preferably overnight. Top off again and wait a little more. After the initial fill, all is good.

 

[mohawkx]

Hey Cigarman - where did you get the dual coil cartos from?

Hoosierecig supply has 1.25 ohm dual coil cartos for ego type threads.

 

[mohawkx]

Somebody mentioned gravity as the force that moves juice through filler. Actually gravity plays little part in filler wicking. It's capillary action that is the force behind wicking. Rather than give a long winded explanation of capillary action, if you google it and read about it you will have a much better understanding of how a carto works and why sometimes it doesn't, depending on what you do when you fill.

 

[Cigarman]

I just got in some 2.0ohm duals that I bought from nHaler.com, these don't run as hot on the Ego which should allow them to run safely on all Egos and clones and they rock on 5v. I got the 1.25's from Hoosier.

Hey Cigarman - where did you get the dual coil cartos from?

 

[les017]

Lest anyone ever ask why I call him The Professor, please refer to Mohawkx post #938