My personal view is that the industry will likely see regulation not a ban. I think there could be some positives if this happens as some guidelines about what to put into the liquid, etc would be a positive. My biggest concern is taxation. As we all know many decisions are about money. The more people that vape instead of analogs = huge money in less tax revenue as in some states the majority of cost of analogs is tax. I am taking a wild guess that they are not thrilled by this.
Going back to analogs
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I don't know about you guys but smoking was something I loved, and hated it for the habit and need of it, and also I love living and being alive more than the thought of dying from it.
Its the principle of the thing. Do you want your kids to grow up and be smokers? I would never bring my bad habits around my children or anybody I care about. Plus, monkey see monkey do. If you don't see anything wrong with that, then just start getting drunk in front of the kid.
Its the principle of the thing. Do you want your kids to grow up and be smokers? I would never bring my bad habits around my children or anybody I care about. Plus, monkey see monkey do. If you don't see anything wrong with that, then just start getting drunk in front of the kid.
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In Australia, its only illegal to sell locally or to import commercial quantities (more then 3 months worth of ejuice at a time). with that said there is on complete way of measuring 3 months worth (maximum non commercial quantity by our customs) so its sort of an odd situation, where you could get away with bringing big quantities of juice (lets say over a liter), but if you stick to under 300ml, then theres no implied ban of any sort stopping vapers in aus at the moment, its just we don't have any vendors legally allowed to import commercial quantities and sell it here. So its a ban on sale, not personal importing, so not quite a blanket ban. just wanted to clarify that.
AS for the OP topic; With sufficient warning, I'd stock as many attys I could, and import as much nic juice as I think I could before such ban came into effect. I'd also get a few PT's, maybe some batteries if I could spare the money but knowing as they wouldn't out last passthroughs, id get at least several of them to ensure I could vape for as long as possible.
or if theres no warning, probably go through what Ive got then cold turkey, I don't think I could ever go back to smoking analogues, I'm past several months into vaping, and in the last few weeks, Ive noticed my sense of smell has come back but also that the scent of the tar in cigarettes seems to be extremely repulsive to me, its got some sick plasticly sweet toxic scent which makes me literally feel sick whenever I smell it, so its cold turkey if either the above paragraph scenario happened and I ran out, or if there was no warning, and I used up what I have and ran out.
also, off topic, whats the deal, no ninja edits on this forum? :/
AS for the OP topic; With sufficient warning, I'd stock as many attys I could, and import as much nic juice as I think I could before such ban came into effect. I'd also get a few PT's, maybe some batteries if I could spare the money but knowing as they wouldn't out last passthroughs, id get at least several of them to ensure I could vape for as long as possible.
or if theres no warning, probably go through what Ive got then cold turkey, I don't think I could ever go back to smoking analogues, I'm past several months into vaping, and in the last few weeks, Ive noticed my sense of smell has come back but also that the scent of the tar in cigarettes seems to be extremely repulsive to me, its got some sick plasticly sweet toxic scent which makes me literally feel sick whenever I smell it, so its cold turkey if either the above paragraph scenario happened and I ran out, or if there was no warning, and I used up what I have and ran out.
also, off topic, whats the deal, no ninja edits on this forum? :/
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I know that my PV is healthier for me because my body tells me it is, I know there is no 2nd hand smoke because my house tells me it dosen't smell like smoke anymore. So if they were to ban it I would be looking at the black market for the nicotine, cause I don't know how to make it or I would try to quit nicotine and just vape flavors and make mods. BUT this I know I will NOT go back to smoking ever again
agreed...
E-cigs are banned here in Canada. It is illegal to sell, advertise, import, etc. I'm not sure how the canadian vendors are getting around it, but I've not had any problems thus far. Other than a few international vendors who won't ship to canada, there dosn't seem to be much of a problem obtaining juice and hardware.
I see where you are coming from. I believe that the reason we smoke more often has to do with something being wrong with the dopamine in our brains. I think that the reason that kids of smokers are more likely to end up smoking has more to do with inheriting this poor dopamine production than "monkey see, monkey do" that's why adoptive children of drug addicts are more likely to become addicted to drugs than their non-adopted siblings.
If my kids inherited my addictive personality then the damage is already done.
wow. I cant just type "wow", its gotta be at least 10 characters long so there, wow.
I have been smoke free for 3 days here and it is great. If they banned them here in the usa im sure that the black market will arise for them and the internet will always have a place you can get them from. I will not go back to analogs again. I already feel much better and it has only been 3 days
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It's easy to say what we'd do when we don't have to do it.
I sincerely hope to never go back to analogs. I also hope that the e-cig is the venue by which I will someday be nic-free by reducing the content of the nic a little at a time to let my body adjust slowly to less and less at my own pace. Knowing that isn't going to happen quickly but actually has the chance of happening over time I'm not willing to take the chance that obtaining the supplies that I need could become difficult so I have stocked up on all the things I really need to vape for a year. No reason not to as all the supplies will still be good in that timeframe and while I've had to spend more than I'd prefer right now, in a few months I'll be way ahead of what I would have spent if I'd kept smoking analogs. If I succeed and I have supplies still unused I'll gladly PIF to someone else that needs them. If in another 6 months I see that my plan to become nic-free isn't working as well as I'd like and all things needed to continue vaping are still readily available I'll likely stock up another 6 months supply but IF a ban does happen that makes getting the things I need to continue vaping difficult then I'll do my best to use what I have to reduce that nic content to zero and hopefully never need to go back to analogs.
I sincerely hope to never go back to analogs. I also hope that the e-cig is the venue by which I will someday be nic-free by reducing the content of the nic a little at a time to let my body adjust slowly to less and less at my own pace. Knowing that isn't going to happen quickly but actually has the chance of happening over time I'm not willing to take the chance that obtaining the supplies that I need could become difficult so I have stocked up on all the things I really need to vape for a year. No reason not to as all the supplies will still be good in that timeframe and while I've had to spend more than I'd prefer right now, in a few months I'll be way ahead of what I would have spent if I'd kept smoking analogs. If I succeed and I have supplies still unused I'll gladly PIF to someone else that needs them. If in another 6 months I see that my plan to become nic-free isn't working as well as I'd like and all things needed to continue vaping are still readily available I'll likely stock up another 6 months supply but IF a ban does happen that makes getting the things I need to continue vaping difficult then I'll do my best to use what I have to reduce that nic content to zero and hopefully never need to go back to analogs.
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The problem with taxing it is that there is nothing to tax it for! They tax cigarettes for "health care costs" they tax gas for road work etc.... I guess they could be creative and make a tax for people who want nicotine and don't want to pay the tobacco tax. Cigarettes are a dirty business of making money off slowly killing people, making money for the cigarettes, making money for the health care, making money for cancer research, creating jobs etc... All from what essentially boils down to murder for cash if you ask me, no one wants to ban them when there's so much money to be made. Supporters and benefactors of murder Via cigarettes don't exactly have a solid moral compass and you can expect some more sleazy, underhanded and misinformation attacks on the e-cigarette industry.
OK, as to the comment about the kid...I have found that the most outspoken people against analogs have been those who have had parents that smoke. My first thought to my kids would be, please don't start...however, if you are old enough to buy them with your money, then it is your choice. If for some odd reason my 18 year old son, out of the blue, decided that he wanted to start smoking....I think I would encourage him to go this route.
As to the ban situation, well, not sure what I would do as I haven't even really gotten started yet. My first ecig has been shipped out and will arrive in a day or so (can't wait). I do believe that we will see regulation before we see a ban. I honestly believe that if a person is making commercial quantities of the ejuice and selling it, then they should be required to submit to a health department inspection. The problem comes when stupid people try to start using the ecigs for something other than the intended use (like to do illegal substances). We all know that there are clowns out there that will figure out how to do it, unfortunately, those types will be the ones to destroy it for the rest of us.
The other thing I would do is start gathering and posting links that have credible sources not only attesting to the safety of these things, but when used properly this alternative is no more dangerous than smoking analogs. If you can find sources with medical specialists endorsing these alternatives (not just the random link here and there) but can also attest to the benefit of using nicotine in levels no more than what would be in analogs, well, it would add to this side of the argument.
As to the ban situation, well, not sure what I would do as I haven't even really gotten started yet. My first ecig has been shipped out and will arrive in a day or so (can't wait). I do believe that we will see regulation before we see a ban. I honestly believe that if a person is making commercial quantities of the ejuice and selling it, then they should be required to submit to a health department inspection. The problem comes when stupid people try to start using the ecigs for something other than the intended use (like to do illegal substances). We all know that there are clowns out there that will figure out how to do it, unfortunately, those types will be the ones to destroy it for the rest of us.
The other thing I would do is start gathering and posting links that have credible sources not only attesting to the safety of these things, but when used properly this alternative is no more dangerous than smoking analogs. If you can find sources with medical specialists endorsing these alternatives (not just the random link here and there) but can also attest to the benefit of using nicotine in levels no more than what would be in analogs, well, it would add to this side of the argument.
I'd go back to American Spirits. Due to their lack of additives I was already smoking much fewer of them than my regular menthol cigs. I like vaping but I have no interest in the headaches that working around a ban would entail.
If they did ban e-cigs they'd find a way to sell atty's. They could make it a useless piece on a flashlight that you could easily take apart or something.
I was on American Spirits when I forgot about cigarettes. I was on the teals, then menthols, then eventually yellows. Then one day I forgot about cigarettes. At the time that I quit, I wasn't even using a pv, it was just by will.
I have read that American Spirits make you want to smoke less, but having 25% more tobacco is still something I didn't like. It still took me 5 mins to finish 1 cigarette, but it did make me smoke less, a pack and a half with marlboro lights, to about 15 a day.
It felt like a project for me to finish an A.S. it is a dense cigarette lol. I'd tear through half a pack of menthol 100s of various brands without blinking an eye.
I was smoking Spirits before I started vaping so going without the additives probably made the transition easier.
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