Gold Label Juice?

[Counselu2]

All of this is fine until I see people saying they will wait for a steeped juice...and then be willing to pay more for it. You are right...this is much cheaper than smoking...so buy a few large bottles and let them sit. But this concept of paying more for something that has simply sat on a shelf is silliness. I could see someone buying a little bit of aged juice and lot of new stuff...vape the "premium" while you wait for your own stuff to age. But I won't support a supplier who's trying to market in this way. Don't call it "Gold Label" and don't charge more for it. If a certain flavor doesn't taste good until it's "steeped," then sell it steeped for goodness sake! If you want to offer both...fine...but FSUSA didn't do a thing more to the juice than let it sit a while...so charging more is insane. I doubt very seriously the e-juice workroom looks like a winery... This is why I was curious in the first place about steeped juices...I was thinking some sort of special process was being used to safely age the juice without stepping on the shelf-life of it. I have two big bottles right now swiftly headed toward their two year end-of-life date. In a couple more months, they will be "steeped," but the end-of-life date is still the same. Sounds like the same is true if you buy it pre-steeped.

Also, these are food flavorings...what's happening to the juice while it ages...does anyone know? What's changing chemically? It may taste better...but it could also be for the same reason that a steak tastes better if it's had time to age (which, honestly...is simply a few more days towards decomposition...the connective tissues start to degrade and the meat becomes more "tender"). That's a lot different than the aging process for say, wine, which is aged in a very controlled environment and different processes are at work, chemically at least. Or is like buttermilk...milk half-way to rot? To be sure, something is happenng in the steeping process...I, for one, would like to know what that is because I'm not eating this stuff or drinking it...I'm inhaling it into my lungs where there are very delicate (listen to this ex-smoker on her high horse about lung health...hahaha) and sensitive processes in place. I know...I know...it still can't be worse than smoking, I agree...but I am now invested in making SURE that what I am vaping is as healthy as possible.

To me, in my own humble opinion, this is why people start DIY-ing...I know I'd like to start doing it now...my favorite supplier is making me nervous with this new marketing technique...

 

[k5blazer]

All of this is fine until I see people saying they will wait for a steeped juice...and then be willing to pay more for it. You are right...this is much cheaper than smoking...so buy a few large bottles and let them sit. But this concept of paying more for something that has simply sat on a shelf is silliness. I could see someone buying a little bit of aged juice and lot of new stuff...vape the "premium" while you wait for your own stuff to age. But I won't support a supplier who's trying to market in this way. Don't call it "Gold Label" and don't charge more for it. If a certain flavor doesn't taste good until it's "steeped," then sell it steeped for goodness sake! If you want to offer both...fine...but FSUSA didn't do a thing more to the juice than let it sit a while...so charging more is insane. I doubt very seriously the e-juice workroom looks like a winery... This is why I was curious in the first place about steeped juices...I was thinking some sort of special process was being used to safely age the juice without stepping on the shelf-life of it. I have two big bottles right now swiftly headed toward their two year end-of-life date. In a couple more months, they will be "steeped," but the end-of-life date is still the same. Sounds like the same is true if you buy it pre-steeped.

Also, these are food flavorings...what's happening to the juice while it ages...does anyone know? What's changing chemically? It may taste better...but it could also be for the same reason that a steak tastes better if it's had time to age (which, honestly...is simply a few more days towards decomposition...the connective tissues start to degrade and the meat becomes more "tender"). That's a lot different than the aging process for say, wine, which is aged in a very controlled environment and different processes are at work, chemically at least. Or is like buttermilk...milk half-way to rot? To be sure, something is happenng in the steeping process...I, for one, would like to know what that is because I'm not eating this stuff or drinking it...I'm inhaling it into my lungs where there are very delicate (listen to this ex-smoker on her high horse about lung health...hahaha) and sensitive processes in place. I know...I know...it still can't be worse than smoking, I agree...but I am now invested in making SURE that what I am vaping is as healthy as possible.

To me, in my own humble opinion, this is why people start DIY-ing...I know I'd like to start doing it now...my favorite supplier is making me nervous with this new marketing technique...

Wow, I think if I put that much thought into all the chemicals the FDA approves for analogs, and yet we all pretty much mindlessly smoked, my head would explode!!!

BTW, I hope you guys have some strawberry twist gold label, I'm down to 15mls...yikes!!!

 

[Celebran]

To each their own, but I bet if you DIY then you will have to let your creations age as well. To me time is money, if I don't have to have a large stock of unknown juice waiting to use then it will save me money. I can buy a 5 or 10ml bottle that's been pre-aged and if I like it buy more if not then I move on to another flavor. When I find the ones that I like I will get them in larger quantities from the regular stock and let them sit. I won't have to worry about trading the unliked juices or shipping them to someone else.

There is a lot of information about aging juice in the DIY section of the ECF forum. If you haven't looked there and you have a lot of juice questions then that is the place to go.

As for FSUSA marketing a "Gold Label" and it worrying you, the talk about the juice has been from the forum members. FSUSA has only vaguely talked about this, we don't have any major details yet so if being vague makes you nervous then you may be reading a lot into the commentary that isn't there.

The bottom line, if the concept of a Gold Label doesn't appeal to you then the solution is simple... Don't buy any of it. End of worries.

 

[vivictus]

Most things that get better with age cost more. It costs them money to store all this stuff, so it would make sense that they would charge a bit more to sell it. Think along the lines of a 2 year old bottle of scotch and a 30 year old bottle. Sure, both might be good, but that 30 year bottle is going to be SMOOTH, and you are going to pay for it.

 

[mauisun]

there was alot of speculation in that post. We simply have the ability to let some juices age while we continue on with our day to day business. no sinister plot here just something we plan on offering in the future. no one is by any means held hostage to have to buy it. If yoou don't want it that is fine, we will sell you anything else you want

 

[Automaton]

Of course we will still have our normal line of custom and specialty juices. Not sure where Counselu2 got the idea we were getting rid of those.

There is actually a way to steep juice properly. This is well-known in the general community. And it can make the difference between whether it ages or just spoils, especially after longer periods of time. With proper storage, and the ingredients we use, even the oldest Gold Label juices should still last over a year. If you don't steep it properly, or you use sub-par ingredients, it may just go bad.

If you'd rather wait to steep it yourself, or stick to the flavors that don't really need steeping, feel free to keep buying the made-to-order blends. That's why they're there. I don't really see what's concerning.

Some people would rather have it be good to go right out of the package. And some don't have the time or money for a big stash of juices that need steeping.

People wanted the Gold Label. We're going to provide. As someone else mentioned, it takes space, time, and thus money to do that. There's nothing unreasonable or plot-ish about it.

 

[Denrock316]

I think already aged juice is a fine idea. I'd probably buy some too if I ever ran out or ran low on juices I have aged myself. I don't see myself buying any anytime soon because I have something like 1400ml here ranging from near a month in age to a little over 3 months aged. If I were just starting to get some juices though and the gold label were available I would definitely buy a bottle of gold label to vape while I was waiting for other fresh mixed juice to age.

 

[Heartisan]

I just bought my first FSUSA juice - 120 mls of Caramel. While I have all the best intentions to let it steep, I put 10ml in a bottle and vaped it all in two days.
It was better than everything I've tried with the exception of a fully steeped expensive organic juice - and those two are neck and neck.

I have a feeling the rest is not going to get much steepage time. If a gold label was available, I'd definitely buy a bottle. After I got a stash built up, probably only occasionally if I didn't have funds available to order early.

Bring it on! PLEASE?

 

[bandmom5]

I would buy gold label and pay more for it, and not mind it a bit. If you buy small bottles such as 10 ml it's always gone before you get full flavor out of it. This way you could get the full effect of flavor and know for sure before buying the big bottles.

 

[mauisun]

our vinage line is already fairly well built up, we started this concept in-house quite a while ago. We really dono't have the intention of selling this for a huge amount of money above normal prices. we will sell some, have raffles for some, five some away in freebie give-aways. Just another part of who we are as a company

 

[rogerdugans]

Which is a great thing, as far as I am concerned.
I am currently working on my first order which has not had any time to steep at all, but there is no other option but to vape away. (Fortunately I like them as they are.)

But being able to get pre-steeped bottles would make it far easier for me to find, keep and have on hand flavors that are ready to go at all times.

A certain up-charge for storage and stock that is considered "not sellable" for a period is only right and actually pretty common for any product that requires aging.

I see it as another reason that I like you guys.

 

[FeistyAlice]

Is it possible to have a list of juices that are more favorable to use without steeping and those that are better steeped. Mistress mentioned a few but it would be nice to know what to order for right now and what to order that we can put up to steep.

Thanks, Alice

 

[Automaton]

Sure. I'll start a thread in the Stickies...

 

[maureengill]

This has just been the worst year ever....and it was supposed to be better than last year...it wasn't.

Hey maureen! How's it going? Everything ok?

 

[TexasT]

This has just been the worst year ever....and it was supposed to be better than last year...it wasn't.

Its all a rollercoaster ride isn't it?

The thing is maureen, around here we like you just fine and I doubt if you could count all the good friends that you have right here.

 

[ab357]

This has just been the worst year ever....and it was supposed to be better than last year...it wasn't.

Well we have to do our part to make sure next year is the turnaround.

 

[Free2BMe]

This has just been the worst year ever....and it was supposed to be better than last year...it wasn't.

Sorry to hear that....but look at the bright side - the year is almost over already and a new one will be starting. Let's kick it off with the will and determination to not let anything get it our way!