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[redrhino]

I think it might be a while before that bill passes if it will at all

 

[Laz777]

Hey red,

Are you talking about Codex? If so, then I agree. These people do things incrementally, it's called Fabian Socialism. They pass a law in the middle of the night while everyone is sleeping and then out of nowhere they begin to implement it. The real ID act was passed at the end of 2009 and a lot of people thought we would be forced to use biometric identification cards the next day. The process is slow and subtle. I can guarantee that we'll all be carrying national ID's fairly soon. They have already added RFID in our passports, it's just a matter of time before it is widespread and we're all required to carry an ID at all times. Every year, no matter who is in power (Democrats or Republicans) their agenda rolls along unhindered. Who ever thought the United States of America would turn into a carbon copy of the U.S.S.R.?

Your papers please!

 

[Happy Domino38]

Col. gaunt,

You may not "see" (don't believe it) it happening brother but it is happening and all around the country. Do you realize how many despotic things happen in our country everyday, perpetrated by out of control government employees? Everything from 72 year old women being tazed (because they feel they've earned the right to speak freely after such a long life) to pregnant women being dragged out of their cars and electrocuted in front of their children and neighbors by police. I could name dozens and dozens of events like these but what's the point unless people spend a little time researching it for themselves? I don't want to be "believed" and no one should believe anything they hear from anyone else. People need to start doing their own research. The fact of the matter is that most of our "collective" reality is fabricated. The mainstream news is as trustworthy as a snake oil salesman.

And the story concerning farmers selling organic milk (real organic milk, not that crap you can buy in the supermarket) is completely true. Do some research on it and check out Codex Alimentarius (U.N. legislation). Pretty soon we'll be unable to buy clean food anywhere. Does anyone stay abreast with pending legislation? None of this stuff is a secret, it's just not reported on by the mainstream media.

AGAIN Laz777?

While I agree that there are ROTTEN apples, (not just bad), in every bushel, I worked hand in hand with the Police Dept. for YEARS when I was a paramedic.

I've been called to PLENTY of taser calls to remove the barbs and I've NEVER seen a pregnant woman getting it in front of the neighbourhood. BUT, saying that, I'm NOT saying it DOESN'T happen.

Most people who get to that stage with the police have been practically BEGGING for it. I've been standing there WATCHING matters escalate and I'm always AMAZED at how far the 'good John Q.' pushes the cop. 8-o

Cops are PEOPLE. Keep that in mind. There's good and bad. But they'll only get pushed so far too. I've seen a pregnant cop get a DESK shoved into her stomach by a 16 year old DRUNK DRIVING KID and SHE got to go home with mommy and daddy while WE had to take the cop to the HOSPITAL.

I'M a PARAMEDIC. I'M there to HELP people who are ill/hurt etc. and you have NO idea how much CRAP I've had to deal with over the years. One quick story..had a guy who had a pulse rate of SIXTEEN. Overdosed on herion. We gave him a shot that IMMEDIATELY stops the effect of narcotics. He was out like a LIGHT, BUT, came out of it and swung at ME because, and I was, and I quote here, the '..... that wrecked my high'.

Just so we're clear here, I'm 5'3" tall and weigh 100 pounds. If I hadn't done the backwards lean from the MATRIX, I'd have had a broken jaw. For saving his LIFE. You're welcome. Loser.

Was HE in trouble with the police? Sure was!

Or, how about the drunk guy I had that had just finished beating up his 5 year old daughter and wife. The same one that was PERFECTLY fine in the back of the ambulance until we got to the hospital. THEN he decided that NOW was the time to make a break for it and shoved me to the side, smashing MY head into the wall. Nope! S'okay! I'm fine! I just waited for my partner to get to the back of the ambulance and shoved him BACK. Strange how our timing just worked out there, wasn't it? It was almost as though we'd done it on purpose! Whoops!

Now, all THAT being said, if they ban my e-cig, I WILL go to whatever lengths I feel I have to to GET what I want, I just hope it won't come down to it.

 

[Laz777]

Hey Dom,

Things are quickly changing in my country (U.S.A.). It used to be that there was a few bad apples in the barrel. Now the opposite is true; There are more bad cops then good cops. I'm not against the police nor am I an anarchist. We need laws and we need good men and women to KEEP THE PEACE. Unfortunately though the police are being indoctrinated with all sorts of propaganda concerning the people they supposedly are protecting. The constitution holds no honor in our society today. The people at the head of the beast (government) do not represent the people any longer. The police are being manipulated through "Divide and Conquer" techniques. They are told it is us (the police) against them (the citizenry) and that immediately creates a very dangerous atmosphere.

Have you ever heard a police officer refer to you or anyone else as a civilian? Guess what? The police are civilians too! But again, this is just another example of how the people running the show want to divide us from one another. I'm not sure how knowledgeable you are concerning U.S. law but the police are breaking laws left and right and the people are becoming nothing more then peasants or slaves. If you dare attempt to exercise your rights of free speech there is a real possibility that you will get electrocuted by a cop.

AGAIN Laz777?

I'm not sure where that comes from? I was answering another poster.

Cops are PEOPLE. Keep that in mind. There's good and bad. But they'll only get pushed so far too. I've seen a pregnant cop get a DESK shoved into her stomach by a 16 year old DRUNK DRIVING KID and SHE got to go home with mommy and daddy while WE had to take the cop to the HOSPITAL.

I agree, I never said that they weren't people? As for the police getting pushed too far, what exactly do you mean? Should I take that as meaning the police are allowed to break the law because they have been pushed too far? The police should be held to a much higher standard then everyone else. The reality is much different though and the police, too often then not, are given special treatment when they break the law. Why bring up that story? It has no relationship to what I'm discussing. You're comparing someone (the 16 yr.old girl) that has been arrested or accused of committing a crime to the people who are supposed to uphold the law. It's apples and oranges. Wouldn't you expect a criminal to act in such a way?

I'm talking about an out of control abuse of power, a rising epidemic of police brutality and the destruction of the American constitution. Just because you haven't seen the brutality that I am talking about doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And just because the cops you've worked with SEEM to be good guys doesn't make it so. Criminals, whether criminals with badges or criminals without badges, tend to put on a front of being good people. Criminals know how to manipulate other human beings so as to disarm them and make people think they have nothing to fear. I guarantee you that the officers you think are following the law most likely aren't when they are out on the streets.

Either way, I understand and agree with your point, they aren't all bad. What I'm saying though is that things are changing and those changes are not just spontaneous, they are not just "chance". The times are not changing because of psychology. I'm saying that there is a concerted effort by people in power to change the fundamental structure of my country, i.e., to destroy the Constitution and change America into a Socialist Democracy. And history has taught us that all democracies eventually turn despotic and are destroyed from within.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” - Cicero, Roman Senator, 42 B.C.

Like I said, Divide and Conquer.

 

[bwood12043]

That all being said, YOU guys, (Americans), should be in the clear..your PRESIDENT smokes like a FIEND and is, quite possibly, the favorite Political Figure of all TIME. Think I'm kidding?, When he came to Canada, he got out of the limo and after hearing the crowd, we all said the same thing..that guy's not a politician, he's a ROCK STAR.

Check the poll numbers again, that popularity is fading and fast...

 

[Laz777]

Very true, he's not so popular anymore, especially after forcing this despotic Health care bill on all of us. Let's hope that the American people will finally begin to see through the fake left/right paradigm of Republicans and Democrats. There is no two-party system in America, regardless of what the television spouts at us. Both parties are just different heads attached to the same body. When the American people become angry the powers that be just trade off and put the other party's lead man in the office of the president. It's like taking one mask off and putting a new one on and people fall for it. The man behind the mask is still the same.

 

[Happy Domino38]

Hey Dom,

Things are quickly changing in my country (U.S.A.). It used to be that there was a few bad apples in the barrel. Now the opposite is true; There are more bad cops then good cops. I'm not against the police nor am I an anarchist. We need laws and we need good men and women to KEEP THE PEACE. Unfortunately though the police are being indoctrinated with all sorts of propaganda concerning the people they supposedly are protecting. The constitution holds no honor in our society today. The people at the head of the beast (government) do not represent the people any longer. The police are being manipulated through "Divide and Conquer" techniques. They are told it is us (the police) against them (the citizenry) and that immediately creates a very dangerous atmosphere.

Have you ever heard a police officer refer to you or anyone else as a civilian? Guess what? The police are civilians too! But again, this is just another example of how the people running the show want to divide us from one another. I'm not sure how knowledgeable you are concerning U.S. law but the police are breaking laws left and right and the people are becoming nothing more then peasants or slaves. If you dare attempt to exercise your rights of free speech there is a real possibility that you will get electrocuted by a cop.



I'm not sure where that comes from? I was answering another poster.



I agree, I never said that they weren't people? As for the police getting pushed too far, what exactly do you mean? Should I take that as meaning the police are allowed to break the law because they have been pushed too far? The police should be held to a much higher standard then everyone else. The reality is much different though and the police, too often then not, are given special treatment when they break the law. Why bring up that story? It has no relationship to what I'm discussing. You're comparing someone (the 16 yr.old girl) that has been arrested or accused of committing a crime to the people who are supposed to uphold the law. It's apples and oranges. Wouldn't you expect a criminal to act in such a way?

I'm talking about an out of control abuse of power, a rising epidemic of police brutality and the destruction of the American constitution. Just because you haven't seen the brutality that I am talking about doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. And just because the cops you've worked with SEEM to be good guys doesn't make it so. Criminals, whether criminals with badges or criminals without badges, tend to put on a front of being good people. Criminals know how to manipulate other human beings so as to disarm them and make people think they have nothing to fear. I guarantee you that the officers you think are following the law most likely aren't when they are out on the streets.

Either way, I understand and agree with your point, they aren't all bad. What I'm saying though is that things are changing and those changes are not just spontaneous, they are not just "chance". The times are not changing because of psychology. I'm saying that there is a concerted effort by people in power to change the fundamental structure of my country, i.e., to destroy the Constitution and change America into a Socialist Democracy. And history has taught us that all democracies eventually turn despotic and are destroyed from within.



Like I said, Divide and Conquer.

Agreed. 100%.

 

[jerrydon10]

Glad we got all that settled......

 

[Laz777]

Hehe!

You're a funny guy Jerry!

Hey Dom,

I apologize if I come off too strong. It's just tough to watch my country implode/explode while the majority of people are too busy to really care. I love freedom and I'm a fierce individualist. I don't think it's right to force people to do things they don't want to do. As long as we as individuals don't hurt anyone we should be able to do what we like. All of our governments have turned despotic in my opinion and it will only get worse as time goes on.

Okay, enough political ranting for me!

 

[XxJESTERxX]

Wow.....

All this from a question about banning ecigs...

Organic milk, tazers, conspiracies....Way too deep...(true, but way to deep for this post)

To the Op, stock up on equipment now for convienience. I wouldn't worry too much about resupply. Theres always a way.

 

[Laz777]

Lol!

True brother, way too heavy for this thread.