On another thread, someone suggested a long piece of plastic tubing from the hardware store. . . you can leave it right outside the shower and open the door, take a drag through the tubing.
Works great!
Hahahahahha fooled you! Just kidding!
Got screwdriver and now weirded out
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On another thread, someone suggested a long piece of plastic tubing from the hardware store. . . you can leave it right outside the shower and open the door, take a drag through the tubing.
Works great!
Hahahahahha fooled you! Just kidding!
Nicely put!
Many researchers over the years have lamented over not being able to properly investigate the possible therapeutic applications of nicotine due to the stigma attached to the supposedly 'vile' substance.
We are constantly bombarded by commercials all day featuring various drugs (as legally defined in U.S.C. 321-g) that we are encouraged to take in order to make our lives easier/better/more enjoyable. Some of them - such as the myriad of special ingredients in the energy drinks that fill our children's lives - are almost completely unregulated and rarely tested for safe long-term use. The pharmaceutical family contains various members that can have gosh awful side effects (including sudden death) and are allowed to be sold because "the potential benefits may outweigh the risks for certain individuals" (FDA).
So I call BUNK on the whole schmeal. You cannot apply rational and logical reasoning to the current state of how our various societies handle the concept of 'drug'. I have evaluated nicotine and the demonstrated risks outweigh the known benefits for this individual. I use it as a mood altering substance, akin to SOLE use of caffeine in our society (which I happily drink about 4-8 cups a day of). You may call me a raging addict, or you can call me a well-adjusted contributing member of society (which the personality profile I once took for a sensitive job reported me as). The difference is only the timing of a decade or so.
I am no longer violating any one else's personal rights or liberties since I have now quite smoking. I no longer pollute indoors, I won't rob your house if I run out of smoking liquid, and I WILL NOT run over you while driving in a nicotine-induced stupor. So leave me and my harmless vices ALONE!
BTW, I have been looking for an excuse to post this:
Intravenous Nicotine and Caffeine: Subjective and Physiological Effects in ....... Abusers -- Garrett and Griffiths 296 (2): 486 -- Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics
It's a double-blind study on the effects of nicotine versus caffeine. And if given the choice between quitting caffeine or nicotine, I would take my lifetime supply of coffee and tell nicotine to take a hike. Ban coffee and other forms of caffeine and I think you may just witness wide spread public protests and maybe even a riot or two. Call it non-addictive, I dare you.
FYI, I may rob your house if I haven't had a proper cup of joe in a month or so and the street price of fresh roasted 'columbian dirt' is up to $20 an ounce...
I'm just as addicted to caffeine, but it doesn't bother me to admit it. The only issue I see with publicizing studies like this is a cascade effect of "this accepted drug is worse than this less-accepted drug, so ban it" until we can't use any drugs at all.
Let's just face it: most (all?) living organisms are driven by desires to consume various chemicals to sustain themselves. You like sugar? You get fat. You like nicotine? You (previously, with analog cigarettes) would get lung cancer. You like THC? etc etc..
Who really cares if the users aren't harming others? I think people are very quickly forgetting the point in this whole drug war and it scares me.
I can see how someone with a .... habit is a problem in society, but nicotine? caffeine? even thc? I certainly know I wouldn't hurt anyone over any of those drugs. Even when I smoke analogs I make certain to be away from people. But people are just so conditioned to hate the people using them now that it doesn't matter anymore.
-j
But that is the beauty of it, rampant banning of drugs will result in a tremendous backlash at some point. Human nature is human nature after all.
You are right, there is a carefully cultivated culture of hate currently in place. Even though it is still a minority, this honestly concerns me much more (and has much wider effects) then what I may or may not be 'addicted' to in my daily life. I am also addicted to the adrenaline rush provided by mountain biking. I may break my leg, or even end up dead while falling down a rocky slope in a most gruesome fashion. I am aware of this, yet still do it - so I must be addicted, no?
But the rising 'culture of hate & intolerance' toward personal choice is truly troubling. I get the same thing when people who don't know me ask where my easter [insert other non-secular holiday here] decorations are. I get to inform them that I am not a christian. They say "oh, you aren't religious? You should come with me to church.". I say I am quite religious & happy thank you, but not one of the "big 5" - Christian, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or Judaism. Then they look at me like I'm some kind of dangerous nut or potential menace to the stability of modern day society. Sheez.
Sorry, got OT there. I personally wouldn't use a SD because of the loss of a good friend during my younger years to dangerous drug abuse. The visual connatation is just too strong in my own mind. But there is no reason for you to feel bad using it. You are not harming anyone, and have greatly reduced the chance of burning down your own house (talk about a public health hazard, let us ban matches while we are at it).
See how that works all you wacko antis? It personally bugs me, but does not bug me that someone else is doing it somewhere out there in the great big world. This is called a rational response. You should try it sometime.
But it hasn't so far, and we've been (as a society) through quite a lot of different drugs. Some *are* harmful to us as a whole and some aren't, but it doesn't seem that in the last 30 years anyone is discriminating anymore.
At this point, it's OK to be fat, because McDonalds wants you to continue to buy their burgers. It's OK to be addicted to caffeine, because everyone's afraid of what caffeine users would do if it went away (joking, but honestly I think there's some truth to it).
The American gubberment found a way to attack tobacco products successfully without a backlash, even though that very plant was a huge part of how America became what it is today. People forget.
You and I can understand that it makes extra costs to healthcare, etc, but telling people that didn't work. It took a ban to make vaping more popular. Now we'll face a ban on that because, guess what? No one likes nicotine at this point anyway because they've been convinced that people that use it are evil.
Use this method with any drug and you'll successfully eradicate it from any society. That scares me.
When people in my small town incessantly ..... at me for smoking *outside*, it's not in the minority. This is worldwide.
Look at western culture today. I'm a new parent, and if I followed everything I read, my child would be locked in the basement for the rest of her life to "keep her safe." For instance, they want us to blockade our pool, even though we already have dual drains and door handles at 4 feet. When I grew up, my parents just watched us. No one was afraid of a vessel of water. Now? Apparently kids are dying by the truckload in water.
Our decision though is to TEACH our child how to swim. She's getting 6 weeks of lessons at 6 months old (now) and 6 months from now, she'll get another round. And in between, we'll be in the water with her to reinforce what she's learned. Wow, what a concept, huh?
People today just want "someone else" to remove all possible threats from their lives. THEY'RE REMOVING ALL OF THEIR FREEDOMS and they don't even know it..
Hehe. Yes, this PC culture is more intolerant than anything before it. It worries me for my own children more than anything.
-j
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For me the really scary stuff started at the moment when I stopped inhaling completely and got my nic through snus. For decades I thought it was a habit, meaning just a HABIT, dammit! Now I can feel the drug withdrawal and the satisfaction without any outside action other than placing a bit of tobacco under my lip. No habit, no hand-to-mouth, no fancy flavours, no nothing, just the drug effects. For the first time in my life I feel like a full-blown addict
For me the really scary stuff started at the moment when I stopped inhaling completely and got my nic through snus. For decades I thought it was a habit, meaning just a HABIT, dammit! Now I can feel the drug withdrawal and the satisfaction without any outside action other than placing a bit of tobacco under my lip. No habit, no hand-to-mouth, no fancy flavours, no nothing, just the drug effects. For the first time in my life I feel like a full-blown addict
That realization is exactly what i mean. I knew my smoking wasn't just a habit-- I knew I was addicted, you know? But, I only knew it intellectually, I guess. .. I lived as if it was a habit. I don't even know if that makes sense, but I was just a smoker before, now the truth is clear, lol. I'm a nicotine addict who has to dose myself lots and lots. I can't even fool myself anymore and that's the really strange part. I feel that way the most when I'm using the SD. I can even fool myself with the lady pipe but not the SD.
I'm still going to use the SD, though.
you were weirded out by how much you vape? what will really bake your noodle is, how much withdrawal you will go when you try to reduce it. By the way, its ok you broke the vase on the way in.
No, by the fact that 3 weeks ago I thought of myself as a smoker. Now I think of myself as an addict.
But, it's just one new challenge to accept.
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OK, let's not make this into a religious debate. Please either start a new thread for that in general discussion or take it Outside.
This was a good thread here...let's keep it going that way.
Lu
This was a good thread here...let's keep it going that way.
Lu
I apologize. That paragraph could be ALOT clearer now that I look back at it. I meant to say "Even normally understanding people (like members of many local religions that teach tolerance) have started to show this effect".
I was trying to demonstrate how pervasive it has become. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone <eeek>.
I was trying to demonstrate how pervasive it has become. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone <eeek>.
I was addicted to cigarette smoking. I broke the habit (going outside every hour or the first thing in the morning or last thing at night) when I started vaping. When I ordered my first device, I thought I was only going to vape outside just as I did when I smoked analogs, somehow I thought it was a good idea not to allow myself to vape freely. Then I discovered that vaping can't be done the same way a cigarette is smoked. I found trying to do a vape "session" was aggravating because I always smoked fast and vaping just isn't a "get 'er done" kinda thing. So I allowed myself to take a drag now and then instead of setting aside a "regular" session. I think now it was a good thing. I feel I could forgo vaping if I decided to by gradually cutting down the nicotine and eventually cutting it out. I vape because I like it and have no immediate plans to quit, but it feels good to know that it wouldn't be too hard if I decide to quit. For me, breaking the cigarette "sessions" was the most challenging part of quitting analogs.
I don't own a SD but I know about the weirded out feeling. Suddenly I find myself at my kitchen table covered with little bottles and a hypo syringe in my hand sucking things from one container and squirting it into another. I know in my heart I'm totally innocent (well...not guilty I should say) but I would hate for someone to walk in on me and have to explain what I'm doing. And the craziest part of it is.......I enjoy it. Oh well, I've got 2 packs of analogs left from a carton I bought a month ago. And I normally buy 2 cartons per week. I'm pouring a lot of money into this e-cig thing too but I'm getting prepaired for bad times. This is my 1st post in this forum. So far this looks like a great forum too.
Well, Kendra - if one of the side-effects of the SD is growing wings out of your back, then the weirded out feeling is only a tiny inconvenience.
I use my SD everywhere. I get odd looks and frowns all the time. Know what I do? I laugh, and mutter under my breath what an idiot the person or persons are. When asked what I'm smoking, I say with all honesty, NOTHING. When asked what it is, I calmly say, My pacifier. I could care less what people think or say, F them, its MY life. To get back on topic, I vape about half as much as I used to when I started almost 6 months ago, once you break the habit of lighting up, always having something in your mouth etc, the rest is easy. Although I have enough hardware and liquid to last me 2+ years, I think if I were forced to stop tomorrow, I could handle it (could never quit cigs cold turkey). But I wont quit, because I love it, so they can make me a double (yes I smoke something else regularely) outlaw, go for it.. Oh yeh, all who say word one about mary had better NOT be holding a drink in their hand (or coffee, or a soda etc, all contain drugs) when they do..
interesting stuff.. tobacco smoking was just a "habit".. self kidology...
in the UK "habit" is a term real drug users have... a euphemism for their particular addiction..
one genuine ...... addict i know refers to the whole bunch of mind altering substances simply as "chemicals"..
lots of smoker go for many years thinking they only smoke because they want to.. they always think they could stop if they wanted to.. some do stop.. but the ones that try and fail abysmally know it really is a pure and simple drug addiction..
becoming totally dependent on an e smoking device that was designed for one simple purpose right from the word go kind of brings the addiction factor home..
the thing we sell is meant for nicotine addicts.. not fun.. if you aint an addict... be careful it is possible to become one..
i am a nicotine addict.. but then again i have been fully aware of this for many years..
trog
in the UK "habit" is a term real drug users have... a euphemism for their particular addiction..
one genuine ...... addict i know refers to the whole bunch of mind altering substances simply as "chemicals"..
lots of smoker go for many years thinking they only smoke because they want to.. they always think they could stop if they wanted to.. some do stop.. but the ones that try and fail abysmally know it really is a pure and simple drug addiction..
becoming totally dependent on an e smoking device that was designed for one simple purpose right from the word go kind of brings the addiction factor home..
the thing we sell is meant for nicotine addicts.. not fun.. if you aint an addict... be careful it is possible to become one..
i am a nicotine addict.. but then again i have been fully aware of this for many years..
trog
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The older one gets, the longer you've been smoking heavily, the more it does become a myth that you can "just quit."
When I was younger I could, and did, "just quit" -- for four years, two years, a year -- but I always went back, and the times I could stay away became progressively shorter, until 24 hours became an eternity.
Long-term addiction is a biological reality, not just an attitude. The best I can do now is fool the stuck switch in my brain with e-smoking. It's far from perfect, but it's working.
purely me this.. but i lose things often.. i lose my e smoking device.. cant find the bloody thing.. so whats unusual..i aint looking in the right places.. i look where i have last been.. normal..
sometimes its where i was two hours ago.. which means i have gone without it for two hours without even knowing this..
i could not have done this with real cigs.. i think our nicotine addiction get satisfied in a different way with e smoking.. less instant hit more long term..
just some personal thoughts.. i dont think there is much "hand to mouth" stuff with me... just a need to keep my systems nicotine levels up..
i also still have the odd real cig.. i no longer need them but do enjoy the odd one.. i could tell you a story about four well known e cig sellers sat around a meeting table with a packet of Marlboro a couple of weeks ago but i wont.. he he he
trog
sometimes its where i was two hours ago.. which means i have gone without it for two hours without even knowing this..
i could not have done this with real cigs.. i think our nicotine addiction get satisfied in a different way with e smoking.. less instant hit more long term..
just some personal thoughts.. i dont think there is much "hand to mouth" stuff with me... just a need to keep my systems nicotine levels up..
i also still have the odd real cig.. i no longer need them but do enjoy the odd one.. i could tell you a story about four well known e cig sellers sat around a meeting table with a packet of Marlboro a couple of weeks ago but i wont.. he he he
trog
I've found this with me also.
Used to be I had to have a ciggie within the first 5 minutes after getting up in the morning. I could barely wait for my coffee to finish perking before lighting up.
Now if I vape sometime within the first hour or so of getting up I'm ok.
I can also leave my PV at home if I know I'm going to be taking a short trip to the store. Could never do that when I smoked ciggies.
Go figure!!
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