Great E-Smoking Advertisment from USA

[cyberdude]

Hi Folks, wanted to show you a great advert from youtube that shows the real benefits from smoking e-cigs compared to normal cigarettes, so here is it:

YouTube - The Facts About E Smoking & Normal Smoking.

What do you think of that? Wish I was allowed to use mine at my desk in the office. Maybe the next job will let me?! I will have to put on cv - will only work in a building that allows e-smokers lol.

 

[Ludo]

FACT: statements like proclaimed in this video are not helping the e-smoking community
FACT: the maker of this video can be sued over the claims it makes
FACT: JANTY will never EVER claim what's been claimed in this video
FACT: I bet a lot of users here will not like this kind of advertising

 

[Kate]

There is no proof that esmoking is safer or healthier Cyberdude. Do you really believe everything unregulated sellers tell you?

Please think carefully before spreading marketing propaganda for unethical profiteers.

Smokers are often desperate to find a solution to their addiction, selling a magic bullet with inaccurate claims is quackery and could be dangerous.

If you want to share information with us why not look into the safety of ingredients in our eliquid or invent a new atomising technology or research better batteries or something useful? Many of us have seen the advertising many times.

 

[TropicalBob]

Omigod! This "advert" will no doubt be used against electronic cigarettes when they come before regulatory agencies. The claims are ludicrous -- and false. If the U.S. Federal Trade Commission views this ad, the company will be put out of business instantly, with a fine more than equal the value of the company. That has happened to many others making unsubstantiated claims.

The scrolling list at the end is particularly damning. DO NOT CLAIM WHAT YOU CANNOT PROVE. You only prove with science, not stories or theories or hopes or claims. This is the worst ad yet for e-smoking. It will come back to haunt us all and should be removed immediately.

 

[Oliver]

Ha! Looks like youtube pulled it

 

[leaford]

Damn that was fast! I didn't see it, what claims were they making? I imagine they claimed it was safer and healthier than real cigarettes, but what else? You guys make it sound outrageous!!

Did they claim it cures cancer? Protects against terrorist attacks? Brings luck and good fortune? I wanna know!!

 

[Kate]

No, it wasn't anything you've likely not come across already Leaford. Healthier, safer, legal everywhere and the rest of the sales pitch.

 

[cyberdude]

There is no proof that esmoking is safer or healthier Cyberdude. Do you really believe everything unregulated sellers tell you?

Please think carefully before spreading marketing propaganda for unethical profiteers.

Smokers are often desperate to find a solution to their addiction, selling a magic bullet with inaccurate claims is quackery and could be dangerous.

If you want to share information with us why not look into the safety of ingredients in our eliquid or invent a new atomising technology or research better batteries or something useful? Many of us have seen the advertising many times.

Hi Kate, sorry, didn't want to offend anyone. I didn't make those outragous claims myself but it had some good points, but not of which could be scientificlly proven, therefore the authorities WOULD probably come down on them like a ton of bricks and stop them from operating. I thought it was a nice dream to watch it all the same.

I am taking on board your post, I need to provide useful information to you all, ok, I will have a good attempt at some serious data mining. I use metasearch sites on the internet when I'm researching, as not everything is found and listed by Google. I really like Searchy UK Metacrawler: Search 15 top UK Search Engines as it searches 15 engines at once. I will use it to find out about any proven safety or health issues.

I was thinking it would be best to research if inhalling nicotine vapuor has any long term health effects, because provided the other e-liquid ingredients are proven non-toxic, the common constant will always be the nicotine. That is my main concern, also along with the components of e-liquid that are added for the flavour, and that most e-liquid labels don't list the ingredients.

Atomizing technology is not a primary concern of my health, but it would be good to know if the vape can be improved, although there seem to be some good tips to improve the virtual smoke amount by removing and modifiying parts of the e-cig.

Battery power has always been a limitation of any portable electronic device. I saw a great recharger for mobiles that was solar powered, so will research USB solar chargers that you can charge your e-cig batteries with in the power of sun could be useful to you.

As for propeganda, I do not believe the media when I read the papers, see the telly just as much as I don't believe the party political broadcasts where they promise the earth and and up delivering nothing but higher tax and fat cat profit for themselves. I always take adverts with a pinch of salt, and I'm not suprised at all that it was pulled from YouTube. They were claiming unproven facts, which gets offensive if not backed up by proven truths.

Have a nice week folks, I'm back to London for a week to battle it out with the broken PC's.

Kind regards,

www.CyberDude.Co.Uk

 

[pillbox38]

Getting a little nervous now re what i said on friday Looks like my claims that its no more harmfull than a few high doses of coffeee, might be frowned upon. I think i went as far as stating what a pardox that we could now smoke in a healthier manner.

Maybe we all should not be running scared.

We certainly feel e smoking is better for us, the contents of the fluid appear safer by the bucketload. Rather than us proving it is, why not let the detracters prove it isnt.

Me thinks the economy is top priority not the e.cig, if we get our house in order and be proactive rather than reactive all will be well...

Does anybody not think it strange that we keep alluding to The "they" who are out to get us. But none of us know who "they" are.. In my opinion the "they" dont even know they are out to get us yet...

PARANOIA is setting in, if i cant claim any perceived benefits from e smoking, why would anyone consider buying????

I must mention that i did add the disclaimer that in my opinion (it was healthier, a paradox and no more harmfull that a few nescafes)...But hell opinions are like .......s we all have one

 

[Kate]

Don't worry Cyberdude, I don't think anyone was offended. We come across unproven health, safety and legal claims a lot and it is a nice dream but you must realise that is all it is. Esmoking might be a magic answer to smoking but it might kill us all in a couple of years. The point is, we just don't know. We can hope and compare personal experiences of feeling better but that is not the proof required to sell it to vulnerable smokers as a safe alternative. Everybody should be aware of the risks they take, we are guinea pigs testing a novel potential therapy for smokers. We are making informed decisions about our health based on facts not fairy tales, or at least that is how it should be. We can only weigh up our risks if we know what the risks are.

There should be plenty of information about inhaling nicotine for you to look up, it's been researched for a while. We don't have research results for the consequences of inhaling the other ingredients of our eliquid, they've mostly not been tested. If you want to know what you're breathing in you'll get some idea from this thread - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html

Enjoy your trip to London.

 

[Kate]

Lol, we're all just doing our best, the important thing is that we evolve and take on board new ways of doing things.

This is a funny statement Pillbox - "Rather than us proving it is, why not let the detracters prove it isnt." There's a term for that, I can't remember what it is, something to do with fake logic. It's a marketing ploy. It doesn't make what you say about health any more true.

There is no reason why you can't quote anecdotal evidence and testimonials to sell your products ... you just can't treat it as a medical device. It's a smoking alternative not NRT. Your customers will do your selling for you, you don't have to be a quack. Send your website visitors here and they can inform themselves about the product properly.

The only thing to be worried about is breaking the law of the land or harming people. If you keep everything above board you shouldn't have anything to worry about. There are massive profits to be made in esmoking I think but think of your losses a few years down the line if your customers start to drop down dead and their families sue you on the basis that you promised them they were in safe hands.

 

[Ruby]

I'm so darned gullible when it comes to dreams myself - I always think everything is in the best possible interests of everyone I never learn until I've been kicked over and am hauling myself out the gutter... .

Pillbox - hey - you can't please everyone all the time! Now that is something I have learned!

You do the best you can - us here know you do and that you are in integrity. You can't just sit back publically and not put in some strong points about it being healthier - otherwise the nay-sayers would start coming in on you like vultures for the kill!8-o

I'd not want to be in your shoes trying to walk the fine lines everywhere. It's a difficult thing & I admire you for doing it.

When I think about it sometimes I suppose what worries me is that we can pin down most risks....here we don't really know what the longerterm holds...we are 'experimentus vapis'. Mind you having said that - the way I was smoking the analogs - I never had a longerterm future anyway.
And my shorterterm was pretty awful too - lot's of chest aches, lack of smell & taste, tiredness, coughing...
Just a few weeks on the 'PVD' and I'm much better...infact the above symptoms are gone...so for me - it's better than the alternative.

Good luck with everything you are doing. Keep researching to keep things as safe as you can. And strength.

 

[rustylug]

I have been told by T/standards in the past that you can NOT use your own customers statments about the producut you are selling ..... The reason i am saying this is because my partner and i have a Magnetic Health Care stand and we sell magnetic health care products ..IE .. Bangels, Horse coats, Insoles, Braclets, dog beds .... All with magnets in them .... Now because on our leaflets we put in a part that said " What our customers have said " and gave testimonials, T/Standerds made us BIN 1000 leaflets at a big cost to me.....This can also be said if offering ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE .... The point is we got to try and keep e-smoking if we think it doing us good "and thats what maters, If you feel better you probebly are" ... on our side


[quote=Kate;429

There is no reason why you can't quote anecdotal evidence and testimonials to sell your products ... you just can't treat it as a medical device.

 

[Kate]

Oops, sorry. Thanks for correcting me Rusty.

I might be getting confused with US trading laws, I think testimonials are allowed by them.

Anyway, we're all on the same side so I'm sure everything will turn out ok in the long run. One day doctors might be prescribing ecigs to smokers, that's some way off yet unfortunately.

 

[Kate]

You said this earlier Pillbox - "...if i cant claim any perceived benefits from e smoking, why would anyone consider buying????"

Ruyan and Janty explicitly say they do not sell smoking cessation devices, they have long term corporate interests at heart here. If you do not promise the world to your customers they will not blame you when they don't get it. They are not likely to fall foul of any laws either for misrepresenting their product. I think the key is to build up a reputation of being an ethical trader and you will earn customer loyalty. It might take a bit longer to sell a few kits but you will have more return custom and recommendations. Janty and Ruyan are not scraping around for sales.

When I got my first ecig it wasn't because I thought I could use it to give up smoking. It was a gadget that I could swap around for an alternative. I ended up quitting with it and I spread the word among family and friends. They in turn have tried esmoking and they will spread the word about their experience ... you see where this is going ... it just takes a bit of patience.

You'll make your millions one day probably, you're a good business man and your proactive approach to doing the right thing shows. If you think about long term safety and security you'll take your time before pushing products that aren't ready. You'll be able to retire in peace without wondering when you're going to be held responsible for health disasters that could happen anytime. That is something the tobacco industry faced and paid out fortunes for.

 

[rustylug]

Lol @ Oops from Kate .... I have seen a lot of your posts and i think a lot of what you say gets us all thinking ... You probebly knew what i said anyway lol

 

[Kate]

No, I didn't know that testimonials weren't allowed to sell products in the UK Rusty, I'm glad you corrected me. It's interesting what you said about not being able to use the leaflets you had about the magnets. I was sold a Bioflow wrist magnet a few years back and the seller used a lot of anecdotal evidence and testimonials.

Trading laws are constantly being updated I suppose. I'm glad I don't have to navigate my way through them.

 

[ned Zeppelin]

That's why as a print and design company owner we spend hours on the phone advising customers daily not to order big amounts as information might probably have to be changed and the customer ending up with boatloads of stationery which they can't use.


But it's not always the fault of the customer who used a printer which got them to order large amounts due to the price being cheaper for larger amounts.


Tip. Always talk to your printer to see if there is an alternative way for lower amounts. Believe me there always is.

 

[rustylug]

Kate ... I was told that Bioflow were alowed to say what they said because they spent thousands of pounds getting their MAGNETS proven... I have reid Bioflow customers testimonials .... They say the same as ours .... BUT OUR HASENT BEEN PROVEN ..... So as a result you pay £100 for a 6 Mag bangle from Bioflow ... Or get a 6 mag bangle from us for £24.95 that hasent been proven, but still has magets in it anyway.

No, I didn't know that testimonials weren't allowed to sell products in the UK Rusty, I'm glad you corrected me. It's interesting what you said about not being able to use the leaflets you had about the magnets. I was sold a Bioflow wrist magnet a few years back and the seller used a lot of anecdotal evidence and testimonials.

Trading laws are constantly being updated I suppose. I'm glad I don't have to navigate my way through them.

 

[rustylug]

Now with that aside ... If e-cigs are proven to be better that real cigs .. and safer with less chance of dying than you would have from smoking normall cigs..... What price do you think we would all pay to ditch our real cigs and go with e-cigs .... If their aproved we might have to pay more for our safety ....AND OFCORSE TAX ...BUT THE GOOD SIDE TO THAT MIGHT BE that you could buy your refils at Asda or Boots etc ...I only hope they dont get as exspensive as real cigs"""