Great, just great

[geeker]

Opinions vary over use of e-cigarettes

 

[Nokosa]

At this point this is pretty much the reality. People are ignorant to the facts of e-cigarettes, and these biased opinions being published are doing nothing but discriminating not only the e-cigarettes, but the users themselves. It's a sad thing when the public is so manipulated by the government and it's agencies that they can't make a sound decision for themselves based on facts.

 

[mtndude]

Most of the electronic cigarettes are made in China, where they aren't regulated, Lee said. A Food and Drug Administration study concluded that the cartridges listed as containing no nicotine in some cases did. Researchers also detected low levels of impurities and tobacco-specific nitrosamines, known to be some of the most potent carcinogens in tobacco smoke. Another health report indicated some brands contain toxic levels of nicotine.

Anyone know which report they are referring to?

 

[Angela]

Well, not sure which study they are referring to, but almost all carts do contain a toxic level of nicotine.

 

[OutWest]

A Food and Drug Administration study concluded that the cartridges listed as containing no nicotine in some cases did.

It's no different, though, than how some products that contain no nuts have a nut allergy warning because of being made using the same equipment as products w/ nuts. That's how the zero nic gets small amounts of nicotine in it - it's made on same equipment. IMHO, a simple warning of "may contain some nicotine due to being made on same equipment as liquid with nicotine" should suffice, rather than condemning the product as dangerous.

 

[mtndude]

Well, not sure which study they are referring to, but almost all carts do contain a toxic level of nicotine.

Would that be any different than a conventional cigarette? Just trying to keep my arguing points straight.

 

[Angela]

Well, not sure which study they are referring to, but almost all carts do contain a toxic level of nicotine.

Would that be any different than a conventional cigarette? Just trying to keep my arguing points straight.

Nope (but the argument they have is that you are more likely to ingest a small amount of liquid accidentally than eat a cigarette)

 

[Nokosa]

Would that be any different than a conventional cigarette? Just trying to keep my arguing points straight.

No, it wouldn't be any different. If you were to suck on an analog and finish the thing in a couple seconds you will feel the toxic affect of the nicotine. The average cigarette contains roughly 20mg of nicotine. If you were to ingest the entirety of that 20mg of nicotine within a matter of seconds, you'd poison yourself.

E-Cigarette carts are no different. If you were to stick a fully loaded cart filler in your mouth and suck all the nicotine juice out, you'd poison yourself the same.

The level of nicotine in each drag you take, however, is not toxic.

Just like the level of nicotine you take in on an average drag of an analog cigarette is not toxic - except with an analog there are 4000 other chemicals that ARE toxic.

So, the FDA is worried about the toxicity of the nicotine in a cart, which is about equal to that of a normal cigarette, when they should be worried about the 4000 toxic chemicals in analogs.

 

[mtndude]

Well, let's just rebut these articles as they surface. Article's Commentary

I don't see any contact info for the author of the artilce.

Thanks, Geeker!

 

[haproot]

Hey geeker I saw your comment. I commented as well but it hasn't been posted yet.

I was about to post this up but see you got it covered. Another Montana supporter here.

 

[geeker]

Hey geeker I saw your comment. I commented as well but it hasn't been posted yet.

I was about to post this up but see you got it covered. Another Montana supporter here.

Glad to meet you!
My comment doesn't come across way I intended, but there's no going back now. LOL! Funny how the written word loses some emphasis and clarity.

 

[ritalin]

Nope (but the argument they have is that you are more likely to ingest a small amount of liquid accidentally than eat a cigarette)

This is easily avoided. After owning a Smokestik I found an easy answer to fix its high likely hood of leaking into my mouth. Put another just before the hole in the mouth piece. It didnt affect the drag and it kept any liquid from leaking.

Ps. I contacted smokestik about their cartridge issues and their response was
"Nothing in liquid is harmful to you, but should not be leaking, so we will take care of that for you. I would be glad to replace your cartridges if you will give me your ordering information."
I didn't order from them again.

 

[ritalin]

Woops that should be;
***Put another small filter just before the hole in the mouth piece.***

Where is the edit post feature?

 

[Our House]

A Food and Drug Administration study concluded that the cartridges listed as containing no nicotine in some cases did.

It's no different, though, than how some products that contain no nuts have a nut allergy warning because of being made using the same equipment as products w/ nuts. That's how the zero nic gets small amounts of nicotine in it - it's made on same equipment. IMHO, a simple warning of "may contain some nicotine due to being made on same equipment as liquid with nicotine" should suffice, rather than condemning the product as dangerous.

Well, it's even worse than that.

They also failed to mention (and so did the FDA report) that this nicotine never even reaches the user!!

In their "study", no nicotine was detected in any 0 nic cartridges at vaporization temperature or higher. It was only detected in unused cartridges BEFORE the user would inhale.

Amazing, huh?

 

[RooksGambit]

The average cigarette contains roughly 20mg of nicotine. If you were to ingest the entirety of that 20mg of nicotine within a matter of seconds, you'd poison yourself.

Whoa there, kemosabe!

The average cigarette contains roughly 1mg or nicotine. A pack about 20mg. This varies of course, with Newports, apparently, being the worst offender at just over 2mg or nic per stick.

I vape about a 3ml bottle of 24mg (meaning 24mg per ml) liquid per day at this point. I used to smoke Marlboro Lights, just a little over a pack a day. So I'm actually nearly trippling my nicotine intake. Which is why I'm going to buy 16-18mg liquid and use a 50% cut with Glycerine, and work my way down from there. Hopefully to 0 nic.

-Rook

 

[misterME]

Whoa there, kemosabe!

The average cigarette contains roughly 1mg or nicotine. A pack about 20mg. This varies of course, with Newports, apparently, being the worst offender at just over 2mg or nic per stick.

I vape about a 3ml bottle of 24mg (meaning 24mg per ml) liquid per day at this point. I used to smoke Marlboro Lights, just a little over a pack a day. So I'm actually nearly trippling my nicotine intake. Which is why I'm going to buy 16-18mg liquid and use a 50% cut with Glycerine, and work my way down from there. Hopefully to 0 nic.

-Rook

There is a lot of misinformation floating around out there about nicotine levels in cigarettes. There is how much actual nicotine the stick contains (if you just ate the thing), and how much is absorbed when smoking. The two are vastly different.

Different studies show different results, so it is hard to say, but the overwhelming majority of studies show an average cigarette containing between 10mg and 20mg of nicotine, while roughly 5% to 10% of that is absorbed (1mg on average).

That why determining equivalent nicotine intake using e-cigs is so difficult--we have no real data on nicotine absorptions levels in inhaled e-cig vapor. Add to that the fact different smokers/vapers drag and inhale differently, and it all calculations become moot...