greatest myths we heard about e cigs.

[classwife]

Myth ?
Here is my favorite :

One prefilled cartridge will last you the equivalent of (X) cigarettes !


(YMMV)

 

[GMoney]

PG is what they use in the safe versions of antifreeze, so that if your pets drink it like kool aid, it won't kill them.

Antifreeze also contains a large amount of dihydrogen monoxide. People inhale huge amounts of it every time they take a shower in the morning, and it is contained in just about everything they put in (or on) their bodies.

Ha HA, yes and I have heard that bottled water contains large quantities of dihydrogen monoxide, found also in anti-freeze as you mentioned, and must be banned!

You must understand, neither the government, nor the FDA are stupid. Some very smart people have got together and found a quick and simple solution to deceive the public at large. How wide spread is the problem - Fully global, I've heard of smokers in South Africa perpetuating the "Antifreeze myth". 1 Study done, and they pointed out 1 aspect of the truth, it didn't cost them much to do it, but they psychologically sabotaged the public.

These cheap psychological tactics have been used my the media for a long time already. They'll public a head line which doesn't have to be truthful. For example here we could have accusations against a political figure such as tax evasion. Public reads this news. Later the media publishes a re-issue of the statement, explaining the misinformation. However due to the way our brains work, and how we are trained to file information, to the general public (there are exceptions) the first and primary information is what gets stored long term for instant recall. The effect gets better over time. Eventually in years to come, people who don't know much about e-cigs, When hearing the term, do a quick scan internally for any information they know about e-cigs, Since e-cigs were not that important to them in the first place the details of the reissue statement are often lost, and only the original headline is predominant in their memory filing system. Hence e-cigs = anti freeze.

Another point to consider is most smokers with no intention to quit will think of any excuse under the sun why not to quit, or to undermine your own personal quit. Very easy for them to convince themselves e-cigs = anti freeze, "If the government says so".

I'm just glad I personally found vaping, because without it, I would most likely still be smoking. I've stopped trying to convert people, because mostly I find people don't listen much to the details. They're curious upfront, but thats as far as it goes. vaping = effort. What you put in is what you get out.

Very astute observations! I am very worried about this communities ability to win this battle. The forces aligned against us are brilliant propagandists. The good hearted people who are fighting to keep e-cigs legal do not seem to understand how to fight this battle. The FDA implies "e-cigs = anti-freeze", we say "e-cigs aren't anti-freeze". All the public hears is "blah blah blah e-cigs blah blah anti-freeze blah blah blah". We have let the FDA "frame" the e-cig" issue and have fallen into their trap.

 

[jlarsen]

Pg is put in anti freeze to DILUTE it.it serves no chemical propose..but some people are ignorant of this and all they see is

Pg included in antifreeze..."oh this is bad!"

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That may be true also, but I think most people just hear "propylene glycol" and think "ethylene glycol". They hear the glycol part and their brain just thinks "antifreeze, and poison."

 

[wazzup592]

One cartomizer from us will last nearly 1-1.5 packs of cigarettes! You will be saving so much money by buying our prefilled cartridges!

 

[mlinky]

There are a few scientific studies out there on the health aspects and benefits of vaping vs. smoking. Harvard recently released one and there's the New Zealand study from a few years ago. There's links to those papers somewhere here on ECF, but I don't remember where anymore.

Here's the Harvard study: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

 

[mlinky]

Ha HA, yes and I have heard that bottled water contains large quantities of dihydrogen monoxide, found also in anti-freeze as you mentioned, and must be banned!

For those who are reading and may not understand this reference, "di" = 2, hydrogen, "mono" = 1, "oxide" = oxygen, therefore H2O

 

[misterhyde]

One cartomizer from us will last nearly 1-1.5 packs of cigarettes! You will be saving so much money by buying our prefilled cartridges!

I find that a cart often lasts me a day. Sometimes more actually. I guess it's a "Your Mileage May Vary" thing.

Also, not a myth, but when I first heard about electronic cigarettes, I read a little about them and figured they were almost certainly too good to be true. Now I know better...

 

[DeathHaze420]

For those who are reading and may not understand this reference, "di" = 2, hydrogen, "mono" = 1, "oxide" = oxygen, therefore H2O

to be honest, I didn't catch it right away. But once I read it a couple of times I started laughing about banning the bottled water

 

[aunty m]

i just skimmed through all the posts so i don't know if someone already posted this info. PG does have a lower freeze point than water and it was an ingredient in Dr. Pepper until public paranoia of glycol. its still used in shampoo and and anyone who has been on an airplane while being deiced has inhaled it.

 

[jlarsen]

i just skimmed through all the posts so i don't know if someone already posted this info. PG does have a lower freeze point than water and it was an ingredient in Dr. Pepper until public paranoia of glycol. its still used in shampoo and and anyone who has been on an airplane while being deiced has inhaled it.

It is also in food/candy flavorings, fog machines, and just about every over-the-counter liquid medicine. Unless you live off the grid, in isolation, eating only organic foods you grow yourself and making your own home remedies 1800's style from stuff that grows in your backyard, and have never been to a concert, ridden on an airplane, or eaten anything with artificial flavors or colors... you've ingested, inhaled, and put PG on your body more times than you could count, without ever touching an ecig. It is also used in cigarette, pipe and chewing tobacco, and in cigar humidors to prevent dehydration. So anyone that has ever used a tobacco product has already been inhaling it - tell that to the next smoker who thinks your ecig is worse than smoking because it contains antifreeze.

 

[xg4bx]

You must understand, neither the government, nor the FDA are stupid. Some very smart people have got together and found a quick and simple solution to deceive the public at large. How wide spread is the problem - Fully global, I've heard of smokers in South Africa perpetuating the "Antifreeze myth". 1 Study done, and they pointed out 1 aspect of the truth, it didn't cost them much to do it, but they psychologically sabotaged the public.

These cheap psychological tactics have been used my the media for a long time already. They'll public a head line which doesn't have to be truthful. For example here we could have accusations against a political figure such as tax evasion. Public reads this news. Later the media publishes a re-issue of the statement, explaining the misinformation. However due to the way our brains work, and how we are trained to file information, to the general public (there are exceptions) the first and primary information is what gets stored long term for instant recall. The effect gets better over time. Eventually in years to come, people who don't know much about e-cigs, When hearing the term, do a quick scan internally for any information they know about e-cigs, Since e-cigs were not that important to them in the first place the details of the reissue statement are often lost, and only the original headline is predominant in their memory filing system. Hence e-cigs = anti freeze.

Another point to consider is most smokers with no intention to quit will think of any excuse under the sun why not to quit, or to undermine your own personal quit. Very easy for them to convince themselves e-cigs = anti freeze, "If the government says so".

I'm just glad I personally found vaping, because without it, I would most likely still be smoking. I've stopped trying to convert people, because mostly I find people don't listen much to the details. They're curious upfront, but thats as far as it goes. Vaping = effort. What you put in is what you get out.

Excellent point, I read an article not too long ago that spelled out that that's exactly how memory recall works.

Of course there's also the old stand-by of "repeat a lie enough times and it eventually becomes the truth".

 

[Mwold87]

thanks for the info

 

[ShannonA]

Pg is put in anti freeze to DILUTE it.it serves no chemical propose..but some people are ignorant of this and all they see is

Pg included in antifreeze..."oh this is bad!"

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Isn't it also in whipping cream? At least the aerosol kind? I'm thinking maybe cool whip too.
You don't here many people talking about that. I'll bet most people don't even know.

 

[ShannonA]

Isn't it also in whipping cream? At least the aerosol kind? I'm thinking maybe cool whip too.
You don't here many people talking about that. I'll bet most people don't even know.

Nope my bad that's Polysorbate 60. I just remember someone telling me there was something in whipped cream that's also in anti-freeze (from what I understand it's not found in anti-freeze but in whatever they used BEFORE anti-freeze). I looked into it a little though and it doesn't look like it's particularly healthy either... "but they put it in food so it's gotta be ok... right?"

Isn't PG also found in some foods? Or is that misinformation? I'll have to look into that too.

 

[DC2]

I am very worried about this communities ability to win this battle. The forces aligned against us are brilliant propagandists. The good hearted people who are fighting to keep e-cigs legal do not seem to understand how to fight this battle.

I think they understand how to fight it, they just don't have the necessary resources.
And I personally don't think they have the necessary support from us either.

 

[MichaelOz]

Excellent point, I read an article not too long ago that spelled out that that's exactly how memory recall works.

Of course there's also the old stand-by of "repeat a lie enough times and it eventually becomes the truth".

An excellent example of this is US Presidents. Think Bill Clinton.... now ask any non US resident, maybe from Portugal to say the first thing that comes into their minds when they hear Bill Clinton, their answer might very well be - Monica Lewinsky. Now if we really think of the Man and President Bill Clinton, all his accomplishments and achievements, his mindset, his demeanor, his family, dreams and ambitions; his golf score we can see there is much more to this man. Yet question the average Portuguese resident on these facts, and they'll likely not have a clue. They won't even know what town he resides in.

This is the e-cig = anti freeze dilemma we face.

BTW: nice fallout 3 icon love that game!

 

[servolos]

NCC,

I've gotten that a lot lately as I'm a newbie to the ecig. My friends are all happy for me that I've quit "smoking." But don't understand why I'm vaping now. I explain that there IS nic in them and that's basically what I crave (aside from the hand to mouth).


The "myth" I'm hearing is that its expensive. Pfft. Compared to analogs these things are a financial miracle. A small investment that will continue to save me a bundle! Never mind the savings to my health.

yeah, everyone's shocked at that fact: for 110 i got my ego-t with 5 extra cartridges (so 10 full ones) and 40 ml of fluid which breaks down to 400 worth of cigs and it just gets cheaper from there.

 

[satelliteguy]

meh, one of my favorite sayings to my smoking buddies is "real men huff antifreeze", so I add to the paranoia instead of disputing it.

 

[servolos]

Nope my bad that's Polysorbate 60. I just remember someone telling me there was something in whipped cream that's also in anti-freeze (from what I understand it's not found in anti-freeze but in whatever they used BEFORE anti-freeze). I looked into it a little though and it doesn't look like it's particularly healthy either... "but they put it in food so it's gotta be ok... right?"

Isn't PG also found in some foods? Or is that misinformation? I'll have to look into that too.

i was an hour out of an argument about the safety of PG with a friend and picked up an angel-food cake from walmart and checked the ingredients list (i have a food alergy so this is second nature to me) and found PG in the angel food cake. i showed it to the friend i had an argument with.

at least if we lose this war we can take down walmart while we are at it.

 

[ShannonA]

i was an hour out of an argument about the safety of PG with a friend and picked up an angel-food cake from walmart and checked the ingredients list (i have a food alergy so this is second nature to me) and found PG in the angel food cake. i showed it to the friend i had an argument with.

at least if we lose this war we can take down walmart while we are at it.

Funny how if it's ingested in a socially acceptable manner it's safe...right?