OMG , you have a daughter who likes brussel sprouts and spinach , you have a real odd one on your hands , be careful my friend.
Greedy shop owners?
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OMG , you have a daughter who likes brussel sprouts and spinach , you have a real odd one on your hands , be careful my friend.
Tell me about it. No easy dinners of mac n'cheese or spaghetti-o's, it's all brown rice, grilled tofu, sautéed spinach. Though she does like pizza, so she's not all bad
She also knows that daddy's vape stuff is off limits, and that daddy vapes so that he doesn't smoke, because smoking is bad for you.
1. Businesses desire profit over all else.
Not all businesses do. The ones that do, spoil the images of other
businesses. This is learned from military service, or service as a
volunteer E.M.T.. You wear the same uniform as the other person that did
X atrocity. Ergo, it is you at fault as well.
This is where I think businesses would do well to unite in pressuring
bad business out of existing. It can be done by setting exemplary
standards in customer education, in perusing litigation over businesses
that do not train staff adequately. Those are only two examples, I'm
sure more could be presented.
2. People choose to act stupidly, not learning anything regarding what
they do.
This is where consumers need to hold the feet of businesses to the fire.
Start asking shops to host educational meetings, in shop if they wanted.
Ask shops to compete with other shops in quality of staff training using
mystery shoppers. Read safety material provided and try to follow it
well. If you do break the rules, know why they are there at least and
understand the risk is your own.
If shops don't want to act for consumer desires, shops can lose consumer
money. In that I see that some consumer groups exist and are doing
great work. It seems daunting to say more needs done. I also realize
you don't cure stupid. My saying that often gives cause for others to
be upset. It is a fact though, no judgment attached for anyone, not
directed. If the shoe fits though, guess you (generally) will be the one
wearing it.
Not much more for me to say concerning this matter save for disliking
seeing fear used converting people to stupidity. I comprehend that as
evil, not good, not ethical, not moral. Alright, I'm finished.
Not all businesses do. The ones that do, spoil the images of other
businesses. This is learned from military service, or service as a
volunteer E.M.T.. You wear the same uniform as the other person that did
X atrocity. Ergo, it is you at fault as well.
This is where I think businesses would do well to unite in pressuring
bad business out of existing. It can be done by setting exemplary
standards in customer education, in perusing litigation over businesses
that do not train staff adequately. Those are only two examples, I'm
sure more could be presented.
2. People choose to act stupidly, not learning anything regarding what
they do.
This is where consumers need to hold the feet of businesses to the fire.
Start asking shops to host educational meetings, in shop if they wanted.
Ask shops to compete with other shops in quality of staff training using
mystery shoppers. Read safety material provided and try to follow it
well. If you do break the rules, know why they are there at least and
understand the risk is your own.
If shops don't want to act for consumer desires, shops can lose consumer
money. In that I see that some consumer groups exist and are doing
great work. It seems daunting to say more needs done. I also realize
you don't cure stupid. My saying that often gives cause for others to
be upset. It is a fact though, no judgment attached for anyone, not
directed. If the shoe fits though, guess you (generally) will be the one
wearing it.
Not much more for me to say concerning this matter save for disliking
seeing fear used converting people to stupidity. I comprehend that as
evil, not good, not ethical, not moral. Alright, I'm finished.
Profits are no longer important for American businesses ...greed is the new game in town !
One point of contention in this seemingly incident of Incidental failure.
Was just holding it when it exploded:
Injuries to:
Hands
Upper and lower Lips
Under Nose area
around/into Eyes
Why All the facial injury common to Inhaling when a device fails?
A) It should not have failed
B) He should not have been sampling
C) Who is telling Tales about what?
Was just holding it when it exploded:
Injuries to:
Hands
Upper and lower Lips
Under Nose area
around/into Eyes
Why All the facial injury common to Inhaling when a device fails?
A) It should not have failed
B) He should not have been sampling
C) Who is telling Tales about what?
If a consumer goes to an irresponsibly run car rental agency run by untrained and indifferent staff…they could get run over. So we'll just ban car rentals. All car rentals should be alike, or not at all. For the protection of the public, you know. Problem solved. Forbid that like-minded business should come together for self-regulation in their own self-interest. That would be too much to ask.
No one benefits from ignorance or assumption.
Good luck all.
I am not saying that I would not like for any person selling vapor products to be knowledgeable and well trained but, I am having trouble thinking of another industry where the consumers would demand it. This isn't a service industry, it's retail.
I know that vaping is under the magnifying glass, but I don't think that should cause us to lose perspective.
I know that vaping is under the magnifying glass, but I don't think that should cause us to lose perspective.
While I would like to agree........
Would a Retail Gun seller load the weapon and hand it to an unknown customer?
Not the same as selling packaged goods.
Home Depot/Lowes take time to teach associates about the products they sell and the dangers some may present to the safety of the customer.
Vaping is a very narrow market with a limited number of Truly different products - Power Supplies/Tanks/Liquids and should therefor be much easier to learn and practice safe, quality customer assistance.
Sorry, but I ran my own business for over 20 years and demanded my people know what they were selling or get assistance...............and know next time.
Those who could not comprehend were of no value and dismissed. No, we do not all get a Trophy for trying
Yes they would sell the gun if the customer passed the check. Home Depot/Lowes employees will happily sell you anything you want.Would a Retail Gun seller load the weapon and hand it to an unknown customer?
Not the same as selling packaged goods.
Home Depot/Lowes take time to teach associates about the products they sell and the dangers some may present to the safety of the customer.
It's nice for employees to have the knowledge. It's another thing thing for the customer to ask for or want it in the first place.
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Mike
When I bought my set of power tools that included a circular saw, no one showed me how to use it, or asked if I knew how to use it safely.While I would like to agree........
Would a Retail Gun seller load the weapon and hand it to an unknown customer?
Not the same as selling packaged goods.
Home Depot/Lowes take time to teach associates about the products they sell and the dangers some may present to the safety of the customer.
Vaping is a very narrow market with a limited number of Truly different products - Power Supplies/Tanks/Liquids and should therefor be much easier to learn and practice safe, quality customer assistance.
Sorry, but I ran my own business for over 20 years and demanded my people know what they were selling or get assistance...............and know next time.
Those who could not comprehend were of no value and dismissed. No, we do not all get a Trophy for trying
Guns are a bit different, and I've never bought one, but I assume if I had the relevant paperwork and passed whatever background checks are needed, I could walk out of the store with more than enough to blow my own head off.
Also, vapor products might be a narrow market, but it is not a narrow supply. A vape shop is one thing, I would hope they know what they're doing even though I know not all do. What about a tobacco shop, or a kiosk, or a gas station attendant?
Or are we saying that there should be regulations requiring special licenses and locations to sell? Would we also restrict to face to face sales?
Yes, the accident was bad, and there have been more of them lately. They're still not on an epidemic scale, they're just in the news because of the nature of the product.
I worked in a gunstore, & yes i showed prospective customers how to load, unload,safeties, interlocks etc.
No they didn't walk out the door, 7 day backround check first.
Could an employee teach someone to vape safely? Yes. Will employer pay extra for training said employee?
NOPE..
No they didn't walk out the door, 7 day backround check first.
Could an employee teach someone to vape safely? Yes. Will employer pay extra for training said employee?
NOPE..
Were you required to by some sort of regulation of company policy? Before you made the sale?
Still comes back to........................We do not self regulate(take responsibility) Government will
Somewhere along the chain, someone needs to say - wait a second - are you qualified to sell this equipment?
Nope........the Buck is to important.
* .........And no, I have never heard of any Firearms Clerk that would load a weapon and hand it to a customer - Paperwork or not.
Did they let you operate a Demo in store?
Did it come with no Safety warnings or operational instructions?
Somewhere along the chain, someone needs to say - wait a second - are you qualified to sell this equipment?
Nope........the Buck is to important.
* .........And no, I have never heard of any Firearms Clerk that would load a weapon and hand it to a customer - Paperwork or not.
Did they let you operate a Demo in store?
Did it come with no Safety warnings or operational instructions?
They may not load it, but sell you the gun and the bullets, yes.Still comes back to........................We do not self regulate(take responsibility) Government will
Somewhere along the chain, someone needs to say - wait a second - are you qualified to sell this equipment?
Nope........the Buck is to important.
* .........And no, I have never heard of any Firearms Clerk that would load a weapon and hand it to a customer - Paperwork or not.
Did they let you operate a Demo in store?
Did it come with no Safety warnings or operational instructions?
I know how important vaping is to us. I am asking for some perspective. We are talking a simple consumer good, and yes there is a small potential for someone to injure themselves through ignorance, and knowledge is a good thing, but the actual occurrence of accidents is still rare. Vapor products are not fire arms, they aren't power tools.
Should the industry TRY to help? Yes. Warning labels should become ubiquitous. Provide battery cases with all batteries.
I still haven't gotten past the nitwit handing a Minor a Vaping device - incident or no......Where was he at any point acting responsibly?
Forbid that like-minded business should come together for self-regulation in their own self-interest. That would be too much to ask.
No one benefits from ignorance or assumption.
Good luck all.
Nor do they benefit from lacking, or choosing to not use basic reading comprehension. I expressed exactly what you stated here in my post yet you attempt making it seem I express the exact opposite. Thank you but no thank. You're not going to present me in such light. Now, excuse me I can see clearly why I much more appreciate other forums.
Update: Round of apologies. I admit error upon my part. I misread being early in the morning. I had awoken from my evening / nightly nap.
What I read, was you suggesting, I said something I had not said. You were not doing that at all. Instead you were correlating what I had said, against what others say regarding the issue. You were comparing the two and not conflating them as I assumed you were.
For assuming and fussing at you my humble apologies. That'll teach me to read something before getting awake and having a squawking wife creature squawking at me at the same time. I did indeed wholly miss what you were doing by a long, long, mile. I am sorry.
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I don't know if you are commenting on the news story or my post # 7, which was the first one in the thread to comment on trademark infringement.
Yes, cereal flavored liquids don't affect the odds of mods exploding, one way or another. The news story, however, is not only about a mod exploding. It's about a mod exploding in a mall, in the hands of a child seven years too young to legally use the mod. As far as i recall, from dozens of mod explosion stories i've read, this is only the second time it has exploded in the hands of a minor, and the circumstances that led to the child sampling atties in a mall kiosk, is a news story. It has the potential to be more harmful to vaping, than previous explosions, and i am not surprised in the least that the media emphasized the child angle, rather than the technical issues, which the vast majority of their readers/viewers have no interest in.
Every couple of weeks there's a thread about an explosion, followed by the same comments, from the same members. In other words, same old same old.
The cereal cartoon characters are tangential to the story, but i found it more interesting tbh. I don't really care about the hundreds of cereal flavor liquids in the market. I care a little more about generic cartoon characters used to market liquids. I don't think it's a good idea, but i understand that that not all vendors using them are marketing to minors. To use the trademarked cartoon characters of others ( who want no association with this industry ) is something altogether different though. It's unimaginative, amateurish, greedy, and just plain stupid. It brings unneeded negative attention, and sheds a bad light on an industry desperately trying to portray a serious, legitimate image.
But what is greed? Except love of more, of excess, of money. What is profit if not more, excess, money?
Again, thank you but no thank you for the stupidity. You are attempting yet again via allegedly another person to degrade what I express by feigning no comprehension. I dislike such actions, they present the same form of argument as stupid people using fear to convert other people to stupidity, in fact I may even go so far as to say they are the same argument. I suppose the shoe fits some and they had to step forward claiming such. Good day.
They aren't using the trademarked characters. Unless you don't see that they're different? Also, do you honestly think the teen was drawn to the kiosk, and would otherwise not have been interested if it weren't for the supposedly minor friendly flavors?
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