Harsh Vape

[Caesar77]

I keep getting sensations of harshness in my throat on the exhalation when I vape and I don't know why.


I've tried lower and higher watts and different setups but it doesn't seem to help.

Two different coils in the pics. Both taste harsh.


As far as I know it might be the nicotine level/quality, I have always been vaping at 3mg nicotine and have had no problem with throat hits.


I've noticed that with sweet ejuices I don't have this problem, they taste heavenly. I'm currently using a fruity ejuice because it doesn't gunk up my coils so fast.


Posting this in hopes anyone could help me. Also here are a few pics of the coil in case I failed at something setup related.

Edit: I'm using 70vg 30pg fruity eliquid

 

[bombastinator]

could be you're sensitive to PG. Maybe try some 100% vg juice and see if it gets better.

 

[Janusz]

I keep getting sensations of harshness in my throat on the exhalation when I vape and I don't know why.


I've tried lower and higher watts and different setups but it doesn't seem to help.

Two different coils in the pics. Both taste harsh.


As far as I know it might be the nicotine level/quality, I have always been vaping at 3mg nicotine and have had no problem with throat hits.


I've noticed that with sweet ejuices I don't have this problem, they taste heavenly. I'm currently using a fruity ejuice because it doesn't gunk up my coils so fast.


Posting this in hopes anyone could help me. Also here are a few pics of the coil in case I failed at something setup related.

Edit: I'm using 70vg 30pg fruity eliquid

Maybe nicotine in your liquid is uneven distributed or your Liquid has more nicotine than marked. Just my guess.

 

[Gratch]

Or maybe you are sensitive to VG?

 

[bombastinator]

Or maybe you are sensitive to VG?

its less common than pg sensitivity but its not out of the realm of posibility. standard debug tactic is variable reduction. Change just one variable and see if there is an effect.

 

[Caesar77]

could be you're sensitive to PG. Maybe try some 100% vg juice and see if it gets better.

The thing is that it sometimes tastes fine and smooth that's what is bugging me out, same same eliquid same coil same wattage different results, that's why I decided to make a thread and see if I can get some help

 

[bombastinator]

The thing is that it sometimes tastes fine and smooth that's what is bugging me out, same same eliquid same coil same wattage different results, that's why I decided to make a thread and see if I can get some help

hmm.. that's different then. could be you're experiencing lean but not complete dry hits because your vape isn't moving fluid fast enough. Do these bad hits happen after you've been vaping a while?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Are you using the same mod also? Sometimes the mods can make a difference in what wattage is used. I can use the same tank,etc on 2 different mods and to get the same taste I need to adjust wattage. Just a thought.

 

[Caesar77]

hmm.. that's different then. could be you're experiencing lean but not complete dry hits because your vape isn't moving fluid fast enough. Do these bad hits happen after you've been vaping a while?

When the harsh hits happen l open the tank and check if the coil is draining enough eliquid and the cotton is always as wet as it can be. I have also tried wicking differently less and more cotton but always the same result, unconsistent flavor.

I'm starting to think that this RTA sucks because this is the second ammit 22 that I'm using and the last one I used usd th same problem.

Are you using the same mod also? Sometimes the mods can make a difference in what wattage is used. I can use the same tank,etc on 2 different mods and to get the same taste I need to adjust wattage. Just a thought.

Yep same mod

 

[bombastinator]

When the harsh hits happen l open the tank and check if the coil is draining enough eliquid and the cotton is always as wet as it can be. I have also tried wicking differently less and more cotton but always the same result, unconsistent flavor.

I'm starting to think that this RTA sucks because this is the second ammit 22 that I'm using and the last one I used usd th same problem.



Yep same mod

ive got an ammit 22 and havent had this problem.

 

[suprtrkr]

Hhhmmm... Juice transport seems a possible cause. What is the PG/VG ratio, and what are you using for wick material?

 

[Caesar77]

ive got an ammit 22 and havent had this problem.

Oh nice could you post some pics of your setup so I can copy it and see if it works?

I just made another coil and this time it seems it tastes fine and I'm having no harsh hits

The only difference between this one and the other ones is that the legs are longer, but I don't know how does that explain the the harsh hits. Also the coil diameter is different but still. I would like to know why do harsh hits happen so I can avoid them. Also it seems that sweet eliquids are better for using coils for the first time atleast from my experience but I dont know if that is any true.

Hhhmmm... Juice transport seems a possible cause. What is the PG/VG ratio, and what are you using for wick material?

70VG/30PG Cotton Bacon V2 and it drains eliquid fine I always check the cotton when harsh hits happen to see isee if that's the problem but it's always wet so I don't think that's the problem.

 

[bombastinator]

Oh nice could you post some pics of your setup so I can copy it and see if it works?

I just made another coil and this time it seems it tastes fine and I'm having no harsh hitsView attachment 737761

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The only difference between this one and the other ones is that the legs are longer, but I don't know how does that explain the the harsh hits. Also the coil diameter is different but still. I would like to know why do harsh hits happen so I can avoid them. Also it seems that sweet eliquids are better for using coils for the first time atleast from my experience but I dont know if that is any true.

70VG/30PG Cotton Bacon V2 and it drains eliquid fine I always check the cotton when harsh hits happen to see isee if that's the problem but it's always wet so I don't think that's the problem.

not easily but i can tell you youre trying to run a a double parallel compressed coil on a single coil atty. i run a single 5 wrap 3.0mm coil. that build is totally alien from the way i do things and i couldnt tell you the first thing about what makes it work or not work, other than i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt. I dont even know if parallel compressed dual coils work period.

If it was me coiling and wicking that thing i'd use one wire of no more than 6 or 7 wraps and make sure the entire coil was in the device airflow, not just the center. I dunno if that will help you or not.

 

[SnapDragon NY]

Hi and Welcome!

 

[stols001]

Welcome to ECF, this is a bit of a mystery to me, although if your second build is working, I would note any/all changes you made and see how it continues to perform. It could be all sorts of variables, including placement (horizontal AND vertical, if you are too close to the airholes (meaning lift your coil up a bit) then you may not be allowing them to function efficiently, and you'd get an inconsistent vape that way (possibly). You've also gotten build suggestions from those who are having success with the tank, so you could try some of those builds. Resistance can play a role too, generally, as far as harshness and good flavor (usually with different sorts of liquids). You certainly could attack your Pg/Vg ratio a bit to see if it changes things.

But, hopefully as you adjust these variables you should be able to get better, more consistent flavor. Good luck,

Anna

 

[suprtrkr]

Changing the diameter helped? Fine. Did you make it larger or smaller? And yeah, I think I'd get rid of the parallels and run a single coil, shortening the length to just longer than the air port. If you can't get the resistance you want in a shorter coil, use smaller wire.

 

[Letitia]

Pictures with a side view are more helpful. Was your batteries getting low when you were getting harsh hits? Ideally the af will hit the lower half of your coil.

 

[Caesar77]

not easily but i can tell you youre trying to run a a double parallel compressed coil on a single coil atty. i run a single 5 wrap 3.0mm coil. that build is totally alien from the way i do things and i couldnt tell you the first thing about what makes it work or not work, other than i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt. I dont even know if parallel compressed dual coils work period.

If it was me coiling and wicking that thing i'd use one wire of no more than 6 or 7 wraps and make sure the entire coil was in the device airflow, not just the center. I dunno if that will help you or not.

Okay thank you I will follow your advice and do it right now and see how it goes.

And yes I'm using a parallel coil because I saw everyone using alien clapton coils on this tank and some reviewers mentioned that the this tank is made for "big" coils, so since I don't have alien clapton coils I went with the biggest coils I could make.

I've tried spaced and compressed single coils and they didn't perform very good but I will give them another try, the thing is I only have 24 ga kanthal right now so I'm a bit limited if I want to experiment new stuff.

Changing the diameter helped? Fine. Did you make it larger or smaller? And yeah, I think I'd get rid of the parallels and run a single coil, shortening the length to just longer than the air port. If you can't get the resistance you want in a shorter coil, use smaller wire.

I decreased the diameter but I have had sucess with bigger coils in the past.

The problem with single coils for me is that the ohms are too high and I like to vape at 40-50 watts, and i currently don't have any other wire than 24GA kanthal.

Pictures with a side view are more helpful. Was your batteries getting low when you were getting harsh hits? Ideally the af will hit the lower half of your coil.

The battery was full, and the air flow is hitting the lower half of the coil. Also this tank has a side air flow wich is also hitting the coil.

 

[bombastinator]

Okay thank you I will follow your advice and do it right now and see how it goes.

And yes I'm using a parallel coil because I saw everyone using alien clapton coils on this tank and some reviewers mentioned that the this tank is made for "big" coils, so since I don't have alien clapton coils I went with the biggest coils I could make.

I've tried spaced and compressed single coils and they didn't perform very good but I will give them another try, the thing is I only have 24 ga kanthal right now so I'm a bit limited if I want to experiment new stuff.



I decreased the diameter but I have had sucess with bigger coils in the past.

The problem with single coils for me is that the ohms are too high and I like to vape at 40-50 watts, and i currently don't have any other wire than 24GA kanthal.


The battery was full, and the air flow is hitting the lower half of the coil. Also this tank has a side air flow wich is also hitting the coil.

I think when they mean big they mean large diameter. At least that’s how I took it. Seemed to work well.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I've noticed that with sweet ejuices I don't have this problem, they taste heavenly. I'm currently using a fruity ejuice because it doesn't gunk up my coils so fast.

It sounds like your juice may be over-flavored. The Ammit is a flavor monster, and a parallel coil lowers resistance while increasing both metal mass and surface area. That's kind of like having a dual coil stuffed into a single coil device's chamber.

Telltale signs of overflavoring are harshness, soapy taste, or both. Using a coil designed to maximize flavor production intensifies it.

Try some unflavored liquid. If you get the same vapor production without the harshness, then your culprit is the juice. If you still get a harsh hit, try something with less PG. If you're still getting harshness at max VG then reduce wattage and increase airflow (if possible).