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[jensy]

Why are you here stirring the pot then?

Agenda's and looking for people to be part of his civil action and oh ,right $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ all for minor fixed airway obstruction from a former smoker. (head desk)

 

[ManiacMedic]

Why are you here stirring the pot then?

This community obviously needs someone who has researched the subject to provide a counter claim to the mob mentality.

 

[JMarca]

Makes sense. It's all health related.

It doesn't make any sense really, you quit over a year but you didn't sign up then. But you came back a year later to preach your nonsense?
You have more posts in this thread than anywhere else... ever I smell a troll.

 

[ManiacMedic]

Agenda's and looking for people to be part of his civil action and oh ,right $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ all for minor fixed airway obstruction from a former smoker. (head desk)

Well I didn't ask for it, you know. Trust me, I've tried to disprove it in any way I could.

 

[ManiacMedic]

It doesn't make any sense really, you quit over a year but you didn't sign up then. But you came back a year later to preach your nonsense?
You have more posts in this thread than anywhere else... ever I smell a troll.

There's a lot of posts in gwapes thread also. A person whom I do not believe is Vaping related.

 

[jensy]

This community obviously needs someone who has researched the subject to provide a counter claim to the mob mentality.

You have not given this community any research. You have given this community half truth's to meet your agenda.No research by your "team of doctors" only your speculation of a not so bad problem that could easily have been caused by smoking cigarettes.

 

[sparkky1]

Some of Five Pawns juices had levels higher than cigarettes so it appears every e juice can have widely varying percentages . With most vapors consuming much much higher quantities of e juice and using high wattage sub ohm builds i will be very very interested to see what pans out over time.

Well according to the level 1 trauma center you can get irreversible lung damage from an aerosol flavoring inside 12 months, so I could only imagine the 100's of thousands of cases that were going to be hearing about.

 

[ManiacMedic]

You have not given this community any research. You have given this community half truth's to meet your agenda.No research by your "team of doctors" only your speculation of a not so bad problem that could easily have been caused by smoking cigarettes.

I have you hat last link. If you need me to explain it to you I will. It's ok to ask.

I very clearly stated why temperature makes a very large difference.

 

[JMarca]

 

[ManiacMedic]

You have not given this community any research. You have given this community half truth's to meet your agenda.No research by your "team of doctors" only your speculation of a not so bad problem that could easily have been caused by smoking cigarettes.

Well it was bad enough for me to spend thousands of dollars on testing. Bad enough to where I can't participate in sports anymore. Bad enough to where I had to switch jobs.

I have test results. It's not like I'm pulling it al out of my ....

And in terms of being smoking related, it would be quite an accomplishment to have a smoking related illness after 7 pack years. And it certainly wouldn't display the same patterns...

 

[jensy]

related illness after 7 pack years.

Sorry what are you saying here? You only smoked 7 pakages?

How long did you smoke for?
How much did you smoke?

How long did you vape for?
What device?
What ohm?
What mg?
How many ml a day?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Well it was bad enough for me to spend thousands of dollars on testing. Bad enough to where I can't participate in sports anymore. Bad enough to where I had to switch jobs.

I have test results. It's not like I'm pulling it al out of my ....

And in terms of being smoking related, it would be quite an accomplishment to have a smoking related illness after 7 pack years. And it certainly wouldn't display the same patterns...

A few folks have had smoking related illnesses after 3 packs, some after a few years, some smokers never experience a smoking related illness.

You smoked a pack a day for 7 years, vaped for approximately one year after smoking, treated an unknown condition with Advair for an unknown period of time...
(a drug that has proven long term serious side effects)….

But it is vaping that caused your supposed condition,,,, seems legit.

Google Advair side effects.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I hope I have avoided replying on any OP posts.

 

[sparkky1]

I have you hat last link. If you need me to explain it to you I will. It's ok to ask.

I very clearly stated why temperature makes a very large difference.

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/7/11/10.1063/1.1750359

Very clearly stated where ? whats the temp for decomposition of 431-03-08 ?

 

[ManiacMedic]

Sorry what are you saying here? You only smoked 7 pakages?

How long did you smoke for?
How much did you smoke?

How long did you vape for?
What device?
What ohm?
What mg?
How many ml a day?

You don't even know what pack years are and you wish to discuss health risk versus smoking? I don't believe this can go well, but regardless, a pack year is an average of how many packs smoked per day x years smoked. Smoking related illness is generally rare sub 10 pack year (in terms of chronic illness).

 

[sparkky1]

This community obviously needs someone who has researched the subject to provide a counter claim to the mob mentality.

Researched what subject ?

 

[jensy]

You don't even know what pack years are and you wish to discuss health risk versus smoking? I don't believe this can go well, but regardless, a pack year is an average of how many packs smoked per day x years smoked. Smoking related illness is generally rare sub 10 pack year (in terms of chronic illness).

No I did not know what that meant and not really sure why I would need to know that. It's not like I am am looking to start a civil action suit and I do not have a team of doctors at a level 1 trauma center on hand either.

Thank you for so graciously explaining. However you missed all the vital questions. A little bit of wag the dog there perhaps.

 

[Alien Traveler]

The Thermal Decomposition of Diacetyl

Very clearly stated where ? whats the temp for decomposition of 431-03-08 ?

Why discuss such an old paper (1939)? Here a bit newer one:
http://www.sandia.gov/~ajasper/pub/JPCA-113-8318-09.pdf

 

[skoony]

Ah yes, because it's impossible to hold an nremt-p along side any other licensure.

My "team of physicians" is based out of a level 1 trauma center in a large metropolitan area.

I wish I had a team of physicians. All i have is a local clinic and I pay my own way.

At first, I got really excited that you took your time to write out such a long reply, including links to back up your claims, and then I realized it was copy and pasted. I was disappointed. We've all read this.

My argument is aerosols versus combustion creates a huge temperature difference and a totally separate chemical process. It's apples to oranges really.

I'm also not claiming BO. BO is a really really big claim. I am claiming fixed airway obstruction though.

we'll talk about cut and paste later in this post.

You can speak to me directly.

IPF should be easy to diagnose if it's even moderate. It is pretty clear even on simple x rays. Flavoring related lung disease would not be visible on an X-ray.... Or even a CT.... Maybe a bronchoscopy there would be hints towards a lung pathology.... It would take some trending.

But that's for BO. A minor fixed airway obstruction due to flavorings would be chalked up to adult onset asthma, and you would have to push pretty hard to get it looked into further.

Proof?

The Thermal Decomposition of Diacetyl

Now lets talk about cut and paste.

You don't even know what pack years are and you wish to discuss health risk versus smoking? I don't believe this can go well, but regardless, a pack year is an average of how many packs smoked per day x years smoked. Smoking related illness is generally rare sub 10 pack year (in terms of chronic illness).

So you smoked 7 packs a day. that's what my math tells me.

Regards
mike

 

[Alien Traveler]

No I did not know what that meant and not really sure why I would need to know that. It's not like I am am looking to start a civil action suit and I do not have a team of doctors at a level 1 trauma center on hand either.

Thank you for so graciously explaining. However you missed all the vital questions. A little bit of wag the dog there perhaps.

Actually it's for better that you do not know what is "pack years". It is unreliable and highly criticized measure of smoking exposure, unfortunately still widely used.:
That the effects of smoking should be measured in pack-years: misconceptions 4