I too recently quit smoking and took up vaping. Id have to agree with Grace. the nic craving isnt the same. But then again i can smoke when i want so the crazing never rears an ugly face while waiting for my next break or chance to smoke a cig.
Has anyone else noticed???
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I smoked for 30 years and except for "finding" my brand in the first few months, I smoked the same brand. Even another ultra light would leave me with a burning sore throat after just a few. I would be very surprised if there is another domestic brand that is more expensive than B&H Deluxe Ultra Lights and because they have consistently gone up they are harder to find if you unexpectedly run out too. Believe me...I would gladly have switched for price and convenience. My point I guess is that I think, in part, I'm having a difficult time finding a ADV or even one I can tolerate for a couple of hours because I am so used to the same product. But, I do find the craving is different. Right now I am smoking 4 to 5 "real cigs" a day but that's down from about a pack and a half a day habit. I can deal with that for now and I am not feeling deprived. I think when I find my ADV I can put them down without too much problem.
I walk out of the kitchen and vape, in fact my boss vapes and I'm allowed to vape in the kitchen. How long have you been vaping?
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Research acetaldehyde Phillip Morris and you'll see why they add extra sugar in the last few decades. Of course, someone will try to stick up for them by making a poorly thought out comparison of acetaldehyde inhalation and glucose ingestion. Enlighten at your own risk.
I agree that the most damaging part of smoking is the inhalation of tars and smoke but there are additives:
599 Ingredients added to Cigarettes
Strange that BT are able to manipulate the composition of tobacco to their benefit and our detriment and yet will not formulate a tobacco that is less damaging- main reason is to make smoking even more addictive.
"Our findings indicated that more than 100 of 599 documented cigarette additives have pharmacological actions that camouflage the odor of environmental tobacco smoke emitted from cigarettes, enhance or maintain nicotine delivery, could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes, and mask symptoms and illnesses associated with smoking behaviors."
Pharmacological and Chemical Effects of Cigarette Additives
Best business for the government to be in is anything that's related to addiction- booze, gambling, smoking and from what I can see the list of addictive areas in our lives is ever increasing- fast food for instance, caffeine based drinks...
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Yes the FDA did mandate that fire ......ant chems be added to analogs but only AFTER Big Tobacco lobbied the FDA in regards to this issue. BT is working hand in hand with Chemical companies to push the widespread use of fire ......ants in everything we use. Some States are beginning to see the light and are fighting back in restricting the use of fire ......ants.
Did you know that the main fire ......ant lobby group is an offshoot/ was formed by a Tobacco Lobby Group?
In my line of work I observe the actions and decisions of the FDA quite often. Although not as corrupt as they once were the FDA is basically an org that has tight allegiances to many large organizations that have a huge monetary vested interest in seeing certain products approved and promoted. The only reason the FDA has improved in the last few yrs was because of the multitude of dangerous and often fatal approval of drugs released to the public as revealed by the media. This became bad news for the FDA when the public became aware of them as being a very large and corrupt public service being manipulated by BP. Has anything really changed with the FDA?...no not really, they've just stepped up their PR game.
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The wondering can stop here.
You're not just addicted to the nicotine in cigarettes, and while companies DO make them more addictive by doing things like adding extra nicotine & tar, there's no special chemicals they add to get you hooked (that I know of). There are also a lot of carcinogens in tobacco that are highly addictive (and also happen to be the same ones that give you cancer); some are even more addictive than nicotine itself. When you quit smoking to vape, that's why you still have withdrawal symptoms... because you removed the carcinogens from your intake. That's why some people have to buy liquid tar or buy juice that has tar already added to it in order to quit smoking for vaping - the carcinogens can be so addictive that even when they switch to a nicotine replacement method they aren't able to quit until it provides the same stuff they got in smokes other than the nicotine.
You're not just addicted to the nicotine in cigarettes, and while companies DO make them more addictive by doing things like adding extra nicotine & tar, there's no special chemicals they add to get you hooked (that I know of). There are also a lot of carcinogens in tobacco that are highly addictive (and also happen to be the same ones that give you cancer); some are even more addictive than nicotine itself. When you quit smoking to vape, that's why you still have withdrawal symptoms... because you removed the carcinogens from your intake. That's why some people have to buy liquid tar or buy juice that has tar already added to it in order to quit smoking for vaping - the carcinogens can be so addictive that even when they switch to a nicotine replacement method they aren't able to quit until it provides the same stuff they got in smokes other than the nicotine.
Agreed. I have long suspected this war they're raging on e-cigs just boils down to them not wanting to lose all those valuable cigarette tax dollars to the trend... and not wanting smokers to actually be able to easily quit because of that financial loss...
For me, it was the physical addiction. The after dinner or driving smoke was hard to give up until I switched and never looked back!
i have noticed this as well, although i enjoy vaping enough to not need a "craving" lol
I was just reading about Nicotine on wikipedia.. and though they say it is very addictive on its own.. they also say this which i find very interesting..
*snip* In the central nervous system
Effect of nicotine on dopaminergic neurons.
By binding to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, nicotine increases the levels of several neurotransmitters – acting as a sort of "volume control". It is thought that increased levels of dopamine in the reward circuits of the brain are responsible for the apparent euphoria and relaxation, and addiction caused by nicotine consumption. Nicotine has a higher affinity for acetylcholine receptors in the brain than those in skeletal muscle, though at toxic doses it can induce contractions and respiratory paralysis.[31] Nicotine's selectivity is thought to be due to a particular amino acid difference on these receptor subtypes.[32]
Tobacco smoke contains anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. It also contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman and norharman.[33] These beta-carboline compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers.[33][34] MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOIs and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.
*snip* In the central nervous system
Effect of nicotine on dopaminergic neurons.
By binding to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, nicotine increases the levels of several neurotransmitters – acting as a sort of "volume control". It is thought that increased levels of dopamine in the reward circuits of the brain are responsible for the apparent euphoria and relaxation, and addiction caused by nicotine consumption. Nicotine has a higher affinity for acetylcholine receptors in the brain than those in skeletal muscle, though at toxic doses it can induce contractions and respiratory paralysis.[31] Nicotine's selectivity is thought to be due to a particular amino acid difference on these receptor subtypes.[32]
Tobacco smoke contains anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. It also contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman and norharman.[33] These beta-carboline compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers.[33][34] MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOIs and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.
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My boss vapes too and I'm allowed to vape in the kitchen but it's not the same as going outside with everyone for a break. I don't know, I spend my days off at home vaping and never think about real cigarettes. Then I go to work and I want analogs. I think I'll get over it eventually.
I feel ya man, I'm pretty sure the only reason I ever started smoking was because I worked in a kitchen, lol! It is very nice to be able to take a vape on the line when .... hits the fan!
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When I first started, I found ecigs satisfying, but there was a little something missing....never did put my finger on it. I would tell people it was like the difference between Coke and Diet Coke....close, but not quite the same.
Eventually I got used to it so no longer notice.
Eventually I got used to it so no longer notice.
been doing some research on the other natural chemicals in tobacco, harman and norharman as mentioned above.. these are in passion fruit extract too. i picked up a bottle today and have been putting some drops in my water i drink when i vape.. it did have some calming effect. also learned about WTA's through this forum, i may get some to have around for the rough spots if i should hit them. being relatively new at quitting analogs, but liking the no smell/future health benefits.. i REALLY do not want to go back to analogs, ever.
I just wanted to update you on the effects of drinking Passion Flower extract in water a little while ago.. the 'edge' i was experiencing of needing to chain vape and still missing something has pretty much completely gone away. It took about an hour after i drank it (about 70 drops split in 2 glasses of water) to completely kick in. Still vaping but.. not on edge, very calm.
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oh they have been adding junk to there tobacco for years to make it more addictive a few years back when they were forced to make the cigs extinguish themselves if someone isn't smoking it, they chose a chemical just as addictive as the tobacco itself.
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