Has anyone seen this?

[jen28f]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe smokestik is saying that they fill their cartidges with liquid made in the usa. It would make sense that they buy the empty cartidges from China where they are already manufacturing these at a cheap price, then fill them with liquid they know/have proven to be pure. Looking at the cartridges, pictures, their website, does not tell you what is inside them. Just like when you buy groceries, say peanut butter, at the grocery store, the same company that makes the peanut butter does not manufacture the plastic jars. They simply buy the jars from a manufacturer or distributer and fill with their product. Like Green Giant doesnt produce steel cans, dairy farmers don't make plastic jugs, Corn Flakes doesnt produce carboard boxes, etc. Again, let me know if I am the one who is misinformed.

 

[Vaporizer]

Yes, I understand. Look at their 5 pack, carts & packaging on their site. It is the only liquid they sell. Those packs are LSB and are NOT made or filled in USA.

tannerk,

If you read the excerpt quoted below which was posted by lexer it states that as of last month SmokeStik has made the transition. I know for a fact that their liquid is being manufactured in the US in a certified laboratory. I actually tested it as it was in its early stages and still use it. Believe what you will but I'm sure that they will post some reports on it shortly. This is a HUGE step in this industry and you bashing a reputable company trying to better the vaping community and its products based on what you think without facts is not right. Get your facts straight before posting innaccuracies. It is you misleading everyone now not the other way around. I know you'll say you'll believe it when you see it and I will then tell you I told you so.

"As many of our distributors are aware, SmokeStik has been in the process of working with an American-based facility to produce our cartridges in the USA for some time now. We are pleased to announce that as of last month, we have made this transition, and that our cartridges are now made domestically. Further, all of the ingredients in these cartridges are certified by independent laboratories and MOST IMPORTANTLY, DO NOT contain any of the carcinogens referenced in the FDA Analysis report."

I do NOT believe that the carts are made in the U.S.

EVERY liquid company can make Original Equipment Manufacturer designs. These carts look nearly identical to the product which I sell.

The only thing that leads me to believe they MAY be manufactured in the U.S. is the price- 7.95 for 5? Awfully steep compared to many of the other companies out there. Although this does not mean anything, I am hoping that the increased price is due to the increased cost of manufacturing in the U.S.

In addition, did anyone else notice this when they googled smokestik?

::: SmokeStik :::
SmokeStik! - We've vaporized smoking! alternative smoking quit smoking.

I know, kind of hypocritical coming from someone named "quititllc" but I am trying to get a mod to change my display name to our new business name, which has zero references to quitting or cessation in ANY form.

quititllc,

As mentioned above I have worked pretty closely with SmokeStik and know them pretty well. I use their products only and speak with them regularly. I also asked them about the google search and they didn't even know that was there. They are working to take it down.

Have you gone through their website? Did you find any cessation claims on there? I know I have and havent found one. What you found in the google search appears to be a cached page and if you click on it you will find that the text you are quoting actually doesn't even exist anywhere. Rest assured they are in this for the long run and are doing everything they can to get this resolved.

 

[Porphy]

TropicalBob already said my piece for me. YouTube's wording well it's YouTube. When you let the mass public edit content you get wonderful results like on Wikipedia:

Robbie Williams earns his millions eating pet hamsters and David Beckham was a Chinese goalkeeper in the 18th century.

A retraction is to clarification what Coutrney Love is to sobriety.

He hit the other point later that popped into my mind. Being raised in Ft.Myers and spending much of my youth in Tampa, I can assure you that Fox13's area of impact decent but by no means substantial on a national scale. The correction would have had to been made in the New York office and propagated to Fox's local stations in much the same manner they made and prpagated the original FDA's findings.

 

[Vaporizer]

Rockin, Vaporizer.

I tried to come off as nothing but friendly. I changed the name of my business from "Quit-It! LLC" to "Vapor Connection" in the same attempt- to remove any claims, express or implied, regarding smoking cessation.

I did look through their website and did not find anything regarding smoking cessation, only when I google it does this appear. Just trying to help them out, and make them look better. Did the same thing for my company after all.

I hope I came across as friendly, I did not intend to sound any other way.

Hey Quit,

No offense taken. I understand your motive for posting what you did. I was more heated about tannerks posts then anything and felt I had to set him straight and you kinda got caught in the cross fire. I didn't mean to come across rude either. I just know everything that SmokeStik has and is doing for this industry. I'm not sure if you or anyone else is aware but SmokeStik just started their first of many clinical trials in Canada. Which they are paying for out of their own pockets. No donations, no investor money, their own profits and then some. It just bugs me when some people post without thinking or knowing factual information. I can tell you that anything I post about SmokeStik is true and accurate. I obviously cannot post everything due to NDA's but what I can share I will. All I can say is they are on the right track and doing everything in their power to keep their company going for years to come. The clinical trial in Canada and manufacturing their own liquid in US is one hell of a start and I applaud them for it. You should too. It’s a long bumpy road for everyone and we should all stick together.

 

[Tom09]

I don’t know what to think of SmokeStik and repeated controversies surrounding them in this forum. However, I’d like to give them props for having Dr. David Baron on their side. Their product presentation is certainly worth a watch.

Dr. David Baron Chief of Staff UCLA Medical Center Video by LA SmokeStik - MySpace Video​

 

[Mac]

Where are the toxicology reports to substantiate the no carcinogen claim? Sounds like they must have them if they are that sure.

 

[Webby]

Very possible. As a retailer, I am in the process of doing the same thing. USP PG is pretty cheap, as are flavorings. It is the nicotine which is not only dangerous to handle, but expensive.

But you can't put a price tag on a product that you manufacture yourself to make sure that it is made with the best ingredients (USP, pharmaceutical grade) and with high QC standards.

The liquid is certainly the demon that the FDA is using to try to wipe us all into regularory hell, but how many suppliers are manufacturing their own liquid (not bathtub gin) in an approved lab and meeting OSHA and FDA compliance?

Or is that the catch-22? Like the never issued Marijuana Tax Stamp, does the failure of any specs mean the FDA will shut down all US 'labs' for lacking compliance that isn't given?

 

[Angela]

I don’t know what to think of SmokeStik and repeated controversies surrounding them in this forum. However, I’d like to give them props for having Dr. David Baron on their side. Their product presentation is certainly worth a watch.

Dr. David Baron Chief of Staff UCLA Medical Center Video by LA SmokeStik - MySpace Video​

That is a FANTASTC video: it's a shame that it's an 'advert' for one company really, although he does just refer to 'electronic cigarettes' several times instead of just 'smokestik'. (I do realise that he could really only speak about Smokestik a) because that is who (presumably) commissioned the video and b) it is data supplied by them that he has reviewed, but all in all, I think that is the best article/clip I have seen.)

Certainly another name of note to add to the 'pro' list of qualified experts that is slowly emerging in favour of the e-cig.

 

[Kate51]

A SmokeStik is a revolutionary device that resembles a traditional cigarette and fully recreates the smoking experience, including "smoke," without any harmful side effects.

It is a clean alternative to traditional cigarette smoking. It is free of carbon monoxide, tar, and the cancer-causing chemicals found in traditional cigarettes and cigars. A SmokeStik is essentially litter-less in that it is free of ashes and stubs. Also, it is much safer since it is free of fire.

What you are "smoking" is a mist or vapor. This vapor is created as the liquid in our replaceable cartridges are vaporized by a tiny component called the atomizer.

SmokeStiks are assembled in the USA with quality control, shipping, customer service and distribution also located in America! There are other generic "e-cigarettes" or "electronic cigarettes" on the market, but these others are nothing more than Chinese imports. When you want the best quality, a safe product and a company that will stand behind you, there's only one choice: SmokeStikUSA. It's the reason more than 200 celebrities and other high-profile persons use our product on a daily basis.

How Does a SmokeStik Work?

The mouthpiece contains a replaceable cartridge filled with liquid. The main substances contained in the liquid are nicotine, propylene glycol, and optional flavors.

When you take a drag on the SmokeStik, the air flow is detected by a tiny sensor. A microprocessor then activates the atomizer which injects tiny droplets of the liquid into the flowing air and vaporizes the nicotine. This produces a vapor mist which you inhale - just like smoke from a traditional cigarette. It tastes and feels just like a regular cigarette, and you exhale "smoke," just like you would with a traditional cigarette. And, you get the nicotine delivery without any of the harmful chemicals or tar that traditional cigarettes contain! An orange LED at the tip of the device is also activated to simulate the burning end of a lit cigarette.

A high-density Lithium Ion battery powers the device and will last all day on a normal charge. Your starter kit will include two batteries so that you may use one while your second battery is recharging.

Order Your Starter Kit Now

This is on their website, saw nothing about juice, ingredients, manufacturer. Also note says "assembled" in the USA

Looks like a 103, not sure, if so a little pricey. Did not spend time looking for cart prices.

 

[Tom09]

That is a FANTASTC video... another name of note to add to the 'pro' list of qualified experts that is slowly emerging in favour of the e-cig.

Well, I was positively surprised, too. Someone with credentials does put his reputaton at risk if speaking out in public on behalf of what many of his collegues do consider a 'rogue product'. He thought about and is confident enough to take that risk, that’s why it has weight. Most he said is not really restricted to one brand. ECA lists Baron among Sweanor, Nitzkin, Godshall, Siegel and other recognized individuals making themselves available for discussion on the topic of electronic cigarettes, alreaday. Another qualified and positive voice, and I certainly hope that more will feel encouraged to come out and follow this lead.

 

[Sar]

I don’t know what to think of SmokeStik and repeated controversies surrounding them in this forum. However, I’d like to give them props for having Dr. David Baron on their side. Their product presentation is certainly worth a watch.

Dr. David Baron Chief of Staff UCLA Medical Center Video by LA SmokeStik - MySpace Video​

They certainly deserve props.

This is a smart move for them. But they will need to get their liquid through FDA too. I would recommend they have the testing done on no-nicotine liquid and nicotine liquid separately.

 

[Mac]

This is BS!! How can they claim no carcinogens with no toxicology reports???

 

[markarich159]

Hey Quit,

No offense taken. I understand your motive for posting what you did. I was more heated about tannerks posts then anything and felt I had to set him straight and you kinda got caught in the cross fire. I didn't mean to come across rude either. I just know everything that SmokeStik has and is doing for this industry. I'm not sure if you or anyone else is aware but SmokeStik just started their first of many clinical trials in Canada. Which they are paying for out of their own pockets. No donations, no investor money, their own profits and then some. It just bugs me when some people post without thinking or knowing factual information. I can tell you that anything I post about SmokeStik is true and accurate. I obviously cannot post everything due to NDA's but what I can share I will. All I can say is they are on the right track and doing everything in their power to keep their company going for years to come. The clinical trial in Canada and manufacturing their own liquid in US is one hell of a start and I applaud them for it. You should too. It’s a long bumpy road for everyone and we should all stick together.

Hey Vaporizer, how are ya. I'm a registered Pharmacist in PA and I was just wondering about the part you mentioned about the NDA(FDA new drug application). Don't you mean an IND(investigatory new drug). NDA's are filed with the FDA AFTER the clinical trials are finished, not before or while the trails are ongoing. How did smokestikUSA get the FDA to approve their IND since the current FDA stance is that the whole ecig/eliquid is unapproved drug/device combo. Also IND/NDA's aren't secret, they(and the clinical trials contained within) are a matter of public record and, the trials, would have to have been published in some peer reviewed journal. Can you please provide a link or citation to this journal/study. Also, it's odd that the FDA would allow smokestikUSA to market a product while trials are, supposedly, still ongoing, and, as mentioned before, the FDA classifies the whole genre as unapproved. Any comment???

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

I believe he meant that he is under a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) and so can't share details that may be covered under such a document.

-Nate

 

[tannerk]

tannerk,

If you read the excerpt quoted below which was posted by lexer it states that as of last month SmokeStik has made the transition. I know for a fact that their liquid is being manufactured in the US in a certified laboratory. I actually tested it as it was in its early stages and still use it. Believe what you will but I'm sure that they will post some reports on it shortly. This is a HUGE step in this industry and you bashing a reputable company trying to better the vaping community and its products based on what you think without facts is not right. Get your facts straight before posting innaccuracies. It is you misleading everyone now not the other way around. I know you'll say you'll believe it when you see it and I will then tell you I told you so.

"As many of our distributors are aware, SmokeStik has been in the process of working with an American-based facility to produce our cartridges in the USA for some time now. We are pleased to announce that as of last month, we have made this transition, and that our cartridges are now made domestically. Further, all of the ingredients in these cartridges are certified by independent laboratories and MOST IMPORTANTLY, DO NOT contain any of the carcinogens referenced in the FDA Analysis report."

I do have my facts straight. Please don’t insult my intelligence by citing some press release posted on their site. From the tone of your posting you sure come across as a party with vested interest.


Here is what I know:

“…I know for a fact that their liquid is being manufactured in the US in a certified laboratory. I actually tested it as it was in its early stages and still use it...” –- Are you a troll Sir? What is your relationship with this company? How exactly did you test it? Please share, we all would like to know.


“…our cartridges are now made domestically…” -- Nothing more than a logistical move for a company that makes its living on overpriced refills. Of course you control the carts. That statement does not address liquid, only carts.


“…ingredients in these cartridges are certified by independent laboratories…” -– What lab? Where? What is production batch number? Formulation compounds and % ? There is no reference to liquid being made in US. For all we know, SmokeStik buys it in bulk from Dekang. And yes, Dekang will provide you certificates of liquid formulation, but not to it's testing.

Added this line for you to respond to markarich159 questions above.
​

Need I go on?

 

[Vocalek]

Yahoo "QuitSmokingSupport.Com" endorses Smokestik. This page mentions nicotine

And, you get the nicotine delivery without any of the harmful chemicals or tar that traditional cigarettes contain!

http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/smokestikusa.htm

But when you go to their own site, it says that it contains no nicotine:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is a clean alternative to traditional cigarette smoking. It is free of carbon monoxide, tar, nicotine and the cancer-causing chemicals found in traditional cigarettes and cigars. A SmokeStik is essentially litter-less in that it is free of ashes and stubs. Also, it is much safer since it is free of fire.[/FONT]
[/FONT]

https://www.smokestikusa.com/about.htm

IMHO, if I were ordering this hoping to be able to use it with no symptoms of "nicotine withdrawal", I would be mighty disappointed...no, I would be