FDA Has there been any updates yet?

[Saippenu]

Massachusetts tried to impose their 90% tobacco tax back in 2013 but failed.
CASAA: URGENT Call to Action! Massachusetts Bill to Impose 90% Tax on E-Cigarettes -- HB 2593 (UPDATED!)

I expect that that tax will be enacted by August 10th 2016. Yeah, some e-cig hardware and ejuice may be around until 2018 but it will be extremely expensive to get where I live. No thanks. I'll buy it now.

 

[sofarsogood]

It takes a while to get together a legal team, do research, decide on a strategy and set it in motion. It's not like a lawyer tv show where things get wrapped up in an hour. Check out some of Pbusardo's or others' videos and podcasts. There are coalitions forming, and I'm sure people are working on it.

Ah, instead of a Chinese factory pbusardo's next video could be visiting the law offices for the attorneys who will defend one of the cases. So meet an attorney, some clerks and secretaries and check out the lunch room. Then he could do a video of where these laws are made but he would need some really heavy boots because that place is a snake pit.

 

[Annie Ding]

Hey guys, I have a few questions:
1. Getting a sales record before 8.8 is equivalent to submit a PMTA to FDA? Saying we have to pay 1 million dollars to get the record only?
2. Who will check if the products were sold or not before 8.8, FDA or customs? And how they confirm that?
3. How can I prove those products which have already been sold in USA before 8.8? What documents or evidence we must have? And to whom we shall show them to?
4. Must the product which we sell to USA now be 100% same as what we are going to sell after 8.8? For example, if we want to improve the fuction, modify the interior structure, add some accessories in the kit, or customized its looking or package according to customers requirements, does it matter?

 

[DC2]

Hey guys, I have a few questions:
1. Getting a sales record before 8.8 is equivalent to submit a PMTA to FDA? Saying we have to pay 1 million dollars to get the record only?

No.

A sales record might be useful to show your product was on the market at that time.
But you'll still eventually need the PMTA to stay on the market.

And that's just if we go by what they said, rather than what they really do.

2. Who will check if the products were sold or not before 8.8, FDA or customs? And how they confirm that?

I have never seen anyone with an answer to that question yet.

3. How can I prove those products which have already been sold in USA before 8.8? What documents or evidence we must have? And to whom we shall show them to?

I have never seen anyone with an answer to that question yet.

4. Must the product which we sell to USA now be 100% same as what we are going to sell after 8.8? For example, if we want to improve the fuction, modify the interior structure, add some accessories in the kit, or customized its looking or package according to customers requirements, does it matter?

Yes, it must be around 100% exactly the same.
Give or take 0% of course.

 

[Vandal]

Yes, it must be around 100% exactly the same.
Give or take 0% of course.

And this is so concerning because it eliminates the possibility of safety issues that are discoverd after 8/8 being remedied.

I myself would be hesitant to purchase anything introduced near the 8/8 deadline for this very reason. I am sticking with items that have been around for a while and have a proven track record.

 

[nclobo]

And this is so concerning because it eliminates the possibility of safety issues that are discoverd after 8/8 being remedied.

I myself would be hesitant to purchase anything introduced near the 8/8 deadline for this very reason. I am sticking with items that have been around for a while and have a proven track record.

One of many unintended consequences the regs will provide I imagine.

 

[nomore stinkies]

Weren't they the ones that were complaining about batteries blowing up? I guess safety isn't an issue. Not sure what their issues are except to destroy this entire industry. For what gain?

 

[PhilBrown123]

You are off by a couple of years. The August 8 date is the time when no new products can be brought to the market. All products currently on the US market can stay until august 2018. If they apply for a new tobacco product category (very doubtful if any will) they can stay for another year after that or until the FDA accepts or rejects the application.

So does this mean that because 100mg/ml nic is already on the market it will be able to stay on the market until 2018 and available or is nic not included the regulations in that sense are very unclear. I have already donated to casaa r2b smoke free and safta but don't have high hopes. I have started to stock up but don't have tons of freezer space so will only be able to get enough nic for maybe 6yrs. Vg/pg and flavorings will always be available in one way or another so I only have 2gal of vg one of pg and probably 400ml of flavor got enough tanks etc for probably as long as I'll need. Now wire and cotton will always be able to be found at different (non vaping) places just marketed under heat wrap wire and facial pass but replacement glass stuff like that Idk. Most things I have seen say diy juice won't be affected unless you sell your diy which I don't but what they are overlooking is the nic base where the heck will we buy it of not from mfs or liquid barn or ecig express etc Also batteries will be able to be has from places that are selling them for flashlights and not marketing as vape products I can't imagine imr batteries dot com will be ahut down as they sell batteries for power tools flashlights etc

 

[Rossum]

So does this mean that because 100mg/ml nic is already on the market it will be able to stay on the market until 2018 and available or is nic not included the regulations in that sense are very unclear.

Indeed, this is unclear.

 

[DC2]

So does this mean that because 100mg/ml nic is already on the market it will be able to stay on the market until 2018 and available or is nic not included the regulations in that sense are very unclear.

It SHOULD mean that.

And I would think those selling DIY nicotine would stay in business as long as possible.
But that didn't keep me from stocking up anyway.

The fact that it SHOULD mean that didn't give me enough comfort.

 

[PhilBrown123]

It SHOULD mean that.

And I would think those selling DIY nicotine would stay in business as long as possible.
But that's didn't keep me from stocking up anyway.

The fact that it SHOULD mean that didn't give me enough comfort.

Yeah me either

 

[Lessifer]

Can those in Utah still purchase bulk nic online?

 

[Kent C]

Can those in Utah still purchase bulk nic online?

The sale and purchase of cigarettes, tobacco products and e-cigarette products via the Internet, phone or mail-order is prohibited, except to licensed persons.

http://tax.utah.gov/forms/pubs/pub-65.pdf

Utah Online Sales Prohibition – Utah Smoke Free Association

 

[PhilBrown123]

That's a bummert

 

[Lessifer]

The sale and purchase of cigarettes, tobacco products and e-cigarette products via the Internet, phone or mail-order is prohibited, except to licensed persons.

http://tax.utah.gov/forms/pubs/pub-65.pdf

Utah Online Sales Prohibition – Utah Smoke Free Association

Many people seem to think that because bulk nic isn't specified in legislation, that it's exempt. I'm pretty sure though that if it isn't specifically exempted, it's included.

For the FDA regs there is supposedly two years, but there are other requirements "manufacturers" must meet within those two years. Just because it CAN be sold for two more years, doesn't mean it WILL be. Also, every state is a battleground, and they have the big guns. So, if you can, make some purchases now.

 

[Kent C]

Many people seem to think that because bulk nic isn't specified in legislation, that it's exempt. I'm pretty sure though that if it isn't specifically exempted, it's included.

For the FDA regs there is supposedly two years, but there are other requirements "manufacturers" must meet within those two years. Just because it CAN be sold for two more years, doesn't mean it WILL be. Also, every state is a battleground, and they have the big guns. So, if you can, make some purchases now.

Agree. There's a part of the legislation that included 'components' (aka ecigarette substances) and nic is a component, bulk or not.

 

[Lessifer]

Agree. There's a part of the legislation that included 'components' (aka ecigarette substances) and nic is a component, bulk or not.

Well, there is one situation where it would be "exempt" but that is only as a raw material being sold TO a manufacturer. Sold directly to a consumer, it becomes a finished tobacco product, it is eliquid, whether it contains 3mg/ml or 100mg/ml.

 

[Sillyburt]

Do you listen to Dimitri's audio podcasts? Getting all those chinese companies to form a new organization is certainly action. I understand your frustration, but I think it's just going to take longer than you think. Politicians are just starting their election cycle, that's bound to take up their attention. I read updates on Casaa's facebook page, virtually every day something is posted....it's not always linear, I can't always see how it relates to the legislation or litigation, but i'm not a lawyer. We do have some time on our side, but the clock is ticking. Nothing of substance, if I understand things correctly, changes until 2018. I'm not even sure what courts have jurisdiction...it's a complicated issue.

Can you post a link to these podcasts?

 

[bigTRAV710]

Im stocking up on everything. Hammond boxes 510s buttons battery sleds dna chips. Mechs mech squonkers and even Chinese mods . its gonna come dwn to intent, just like paraphernalia is for tabacco use. So juice companies should change there name and sell "flavored lube" and so on, put a mp3 player in a reg mod and a headphone jack lol

 

[bigTRAV710]

Or market mods for aroma therapy and juice not for human consumption , there is going to be grey areas and loopholes. Drug paraphanilia is illegal but theres thousands of head shops. Its all about intent. Good lawyers will find the loopholes. As for the taxes not much can be done, Things like usps ect ect refusing to mail products , well peoples fedex weed all over the US everyday so im sure sombody will fig it out