Has vaping lost way?

[ENAUD]

I am enjoying some Mezcal, in a shot glass, just sipping away reading this thread, and I laughed, and laughed, and laughed some more...because I really don't give a darn how other people vape, but yes Virginia...they should be started out with MTL setups if they are a heavy smoker, at least to dip their toes into the water, they can dive into DL territory pretty quick nowadays, even with what a lot of folks are buying as a starter setup. When I quit the smokes, even a MTL setup caused me to cough if I took too big a hit, my lungs were really bad, if someone had handed me a modern high volume vape chucker back then, I would have hacked my lungs out and still be smoking, or maybe dead by now...so yeah, I laughed and laughed, and am still chuckling a little to myself right now

 

[leftyandsparky]

Give me a call when you do. I'll bring the limes.

It’s made!

 

[Letitia]

It’s made!

Maybe we can get @ENAUD to bring along his Mezcal.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Maybe we can get @ENAUD to bring along his Mezcal.

He also has a shot glass!

 

[Letitia]

He also has a shot glass!

Me too

 

[CMD-Ky]

Wanna go have a margarita?

Yes, I have a credit card, the sky's the limit.

 

[Letitia]

Does the credit card come with a chauffeur?

 

[Racehorse]

I find this topic somewhat humorous, as back when I started vaping, the Ego Twist (variable) had just come out and was called a "game changer" cuz "twist". I was told to buy some cotton-stuffed cartos, so I did. Somebody else said to buy clearos....I bought 2. I didn't even know what they were. (people who vaped before me had it even worse...they were stuffing spongey fish aquarium filters into cartos and dousing them with eliquid on non variable stick batteries).

At the time I lived 30 miles R/T from a town where I could buy cigs, so I went home on a Friday w/out any cigs, and was determined to vape stuff until Monday come heck or high water. I just picked out 2 ejuices from johnson creek or some name like that, I didn't even KNOW what I would be vaping or what it would taste like. (tasted HORRIBLE actually---absolutely horrible).

I had never met or known a "vaper" in real life, had never even seen a person vape, and there were no vaping stores yet where I lived, mid 2012, so I had zero access to any kind of real life vaping.

But I did it, and didn't buy cigs. The eliquid I bought tasted like sewing machine oil. The other one tasted like menthol barbeque. :shrugs: I didn't know anything better or different existed. I just assumed that this was what is was going to take to quit smoking. :shrugs:

My thought all along, both then and now, 6 years later is that if someobody wants to do something, whether it's lose weight, get in shape, or quit smoking.....if they really want to, they will.

The options available today are 1,000x more and better than what we had. (Sometimes I think having too many options is what is actually confusing for new vapers.) I owned my fair share of stuff, I think my positive ratings in the classifieds here is upwards of 125. LOL

Since almost all smokers are MTL, that is what I would probably recommend though. DL just seems very unnatural to me. I can't very well recommend stuff that is outside of my own experience...anyone I helped to start vaping would have to stumble upon DL in their vaping journey. The whole thing is one of trial and error, and personal preference anyway. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS.

MTL or DL, who even CARES???? If it feels good, do it.

And, again, I am not wholly invested in the idea that you have to have the perfect setup or eliquid to quit smoking. Most of us who started before I did, or around when I did, just limped by on what was available to us and somehow managed to quit smoking. Miracle. It was for me, since I'm really not the most disciplined person in the world. I just didn't want to smoke anymore, and I was very SURE about that.

Momentum? I compare 2012 to now and it has been like whizzing thru space at high speed. A lot has happened, techologically and otherwise.

 

[medleypat]

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By the time I bumped it to 140 watts I had already been being smoke-free for almost a whole month so not sure what you must be getting at here. DTL at 80 watts on a pair of Ni80 handmade fused claptons in the 25mm Troll RDA 2 taking short, medium-fast puffs can hardly be called cloud chasing you know...

Long slow drags make me turn green and purple, like trying to hold my breath for too long, and, right now anything too far below 90 watts makes vaping very unsatisfying for me, but 80 watts during my first vaping week was fine because that was my first vaping week so was still learning to adapt to the difference of vaping compared to smoking (and trying to not scorch my wick in the process of course).

No, only a few people I know are using exclusively RDAs, but those who aren't using any RDAs, not even occasionally that is, are generally not very talkative about vaping nor really are very open to suggestions of any kind, as they tend to, in most cases anyway, come across almost as if they are living their vaping life inside a soap bubble more or less so to speak, auto pilot, victims of circumstance just follow the herd kind of philosophy. I myself am the only person I know who has been using exclusively RDAs for his entire vaping life.

No, the "club" that I am in isn't really a club, but those who are "members" (myself included) are all flavor chasers, and, those who have been in it for more than just a couple of years are all saying they moved from MTL to DTL because DTL is what gives them better flavor and a more satisfying vape experience. All the others pretty much unanimously agree with them, after having given MTL at least a very reasonable try.

I never said that. Everyone who vapes must legally be old enough to be capable to figure out for themselves what is the ideal wattage and vaping style for them, i.e. I'm the exact opposite to those trying to hold the hands of new vapers who might learn too much if they [these newcomers] wander too far off of the holiest of the holy (read: low wattage) track.

I never quit smoking, but rather, I stopped smoking the same way a sack of concrete stops moving the moment it hits the ground below it. For me, anything by Smok is the antithesis of moving more towards having great flavor so, no offense, but it really isn't any wonder that you aren't getting what I'm trying to say.

I never said it isn't possible in any way. Instead, I said in the vast majority of cases it isn't, and, too much hostility towards (and too big misconceptions related to) the higher range of watts is only holding the possibility back.

Part of the reason why you're not a minority is because MTL is the oldest vaping style so it is only logical the fact that the force of old habit brings short-sightedness to the table.

First off if dl is the only way to quit smoking or the best way to quit then how did most people on ecf quit with mtl.

 

[medleypat]

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IMO vaping lost way because those who already admitted that they quit smoking at the time when MTL was the only thing available, which means that they had no way to compare ANYTHING outside of MTL as far as quitting smoking goes, are trying to force their opinions on others about EVERYTHING as far as quitting smoking goes.

He only person on here that I see pushing their style of vaping is you. I know alot of people that have stopped smoking in the pass few months are using mtl pod systems because that is what they wanted not because they didn't have other choices

 

[medleypat]

Thank you for proving my point, i.e. you are all just a bunch of high wattage haters because else you would recommend to try all vaping styles as opposed to recommending MTL.

That shows how wrong you are I do explain all types of vaping to noobs just because I vape mtl lung does not mean that I believe that's the only way or best way. I do recommend lower cost options with a range of coils and tell them to try different ones to get an idea of what works best for them.

 

[medleypat]

Having quit smoking at the time when MTL was the only thing available means you have no experience comparing it to other vaping styles as far as quitting smoking goes. No experience, as in, none whatsoever, and that is despite how grown-up you think you really are so thank you for proving my point again.

I know people that have quit in the last year so that argument doesn't hold water and yes all of them tried both styles some mow DL and some went back to mtl

 

[medleypat]

You

I never assumed that "because MTL worked for you, you push it to new vapers". Nor even assumed that necessarily EVERYONE who quit smoking with MTL at the time when MTL was the only thing available, pushes it to new vapers, BUT... as you can see for yourself from the reactions I have been getting right here in this thread, there are several who did not have the opportunity to compare anything outside of MTL at the time when they quit smoking, and, ironically, the fact that they were lacking this opportunity to compare anything tends to make them feel entitled to preach on about that which they never even compared so they got all bent out of shape about something that they never actually even tried, but even more ironically on top of that, I'm the one who got accused of preaching on about DTL, when the reality is that everyone who is capable to read my posts can see that I never tried to push DTL on new vapers, but rather, I merely called out those who tried to push MTL on new vapers and who attacked me by completely utterely twisting my words, page after page after page.

Need to go back and read your post you stated that the best way to quit was dtl and you just made a statement that could be false how do you know that the people on here have not tried dtl I know for a fact at lest one has and didn't like it

 

[medleypat]

Vaping is an act, but vaping is also my friend so I thought my figurative speech was obvious. So when vaping is under attack, I take offense because vaping is what helped save my life, and, if you read my posts more carefully before hitting the reply button, maybe you would understand that I take offense when some certain individuals attack vaping as a smoking cessation tool by recommending MTL as a smoking cessation tool as opposed to recommending VAPING as a smoking cessation tool, and THIS is why I think vaping has lost way indeed.

I think your biggest problem is you keep making assumptions about what people recommend to new vapers you can't know what everyone recommends so that statement is false

 

[medleypat]

No, I am not bashing MTL, and, by claiming that I am bashing MTL, you are only trying to cover up the fact you're the one who is bashing, repetitively incessantly in fact. I am pointing out the simple fact you are bashing every vaping style that isn't MTL, as you keep belittling smokers who want to quit smoking by VAPING rather than want to quit smoking by following your own ridiculous misconceptions about vaping that are somehow causing you to recommend MTL to those same smokers, when the reality is you haven't even compared MTL used as a smoking cessation tool to any other vaping style used as a smoking cessation tool. The advice I would give to a person who wants to quit smoking is that there is no standard answer to the question of what's the best way to do that, and that, if someone claims that this is false, then this someone should never be taken seriously about any subject related to vaping. Exactly because of this, the rest of your retort isn't even worth replying to.

You need to go back and read your posts

 

[medleypat]

Simple, it's because the post to which I replied was singling out MTL. It really is that obvious.

I strongly advise not to recommend ANY vaping style. I do encourage open discussions about what people think characterizes each different style of vaping, what they like or don't like about the things they've tried, like, for example, "I tried to vape at high wattage by taking long slow drags similar to how I'm used to taking long slow drags vaping at 30 watts, and now I've come to the conclusion I don't like high wattage vaping because it's insanely hot and it's even more insanely harsh making me cough my lungs out", and then my reply would be something more along the lines of "either try taking shorter faster drags or try lowering the wattage, try a little bit of both, experiment by also adjusting the air holes, remember high wattage vaping doesn't work on juice with high nic strength, and BTW throw that Baby Beast in the garbage where it belongs because it can't give you a worthy impression of what high wattage vaping feels or tastes like". Common sense.

That comment about baby beast shows you do push your options on others I know some people that use that tank and enjoy it very much that's the problem with blanket statements

 

[medleypat]

My stance on it is that I see a lot of cigarette smokers who vape between cigarettes (i.e., dual users) whose chance of successfully quitting cigarette smoking is hampered, often severely, by the fact they can't get a vape experience that is a sufficiently satisfying one. So they still continue to smoke cigarettes just because the vape experience fails to impress them, and, in many cases that I personally have witnessed, they keep struggling like this for months, often abandoning vaping as a result, simply because they refuse to believe or accept even the POSSIBILITY that their choice of vaping style might be the culprit, when the reality is that trying to mimic cigarette smoking by vaping is the best probable way to end up with a vape experience that is not just less, but a LOT less satisfying than real cigarette smoking so it limits their chances in such a way that this limitation could have been avoided by keeping an open mind towards ALL vaping styles instead of assuming things like "ideally it should most closely resemble how just about everyone smokes", as much as possible and as early from the beginning as possible.

There you go making assumptions again I am a dual user and it has nothing to do with not being satisfied with my vape but has to do with lack of will power.I am addicted to smoking. And yes I have tried everything from cig-a-lites to dl low ohm high watt devices.Also I know vaping can work because I have gone up to 2 weeks without a cig on low watt mtl setups

 

[dripster]

You
Need to go back and read your post you stated that the best way to quit was dtl and you just made a statement that could be false how do you know that the people on here have not tried dtl I know for a fact at lest one has and didn't like it

I have not stated anywhere in the thread that the best way to quit is DTL. Just because I stated MTL is an unsatisfying vape doesn't also mean I have the pretentiousness to force my own personal opinion about this on others or to recommend DTL to others.

So how do I know that at least several of the zealous defenders of MTL haven't tried DTL to quit? Simple. It's because they made it clear that at the time when they quit, DTL didn't even exist yet so there's your bias for you.

 

[dripster]

I think your biggest problem is you keep making assumptions about what people recommend to new vapers you can't know what everyone recommends so that statement is false

You bring up a very interesting point. When I first started vaping eight years ago all the e cig companies targeted their advertising messages towards converting people from cigarette smoking to vaping. The devices being sold were all MTL with various quality levels. In my opinion the big impact to vaping hardware began with Provari who produced, I believe, the highest quality device at the time on the market. Other manufactures started to produce better products such as the EGO Twist to compete. But still the thrust was to convert cigarette smokers to vapors. The industry and vaping itself has evolved greatly over the past five years with introduction of variable wattage vs variable voltage, temperature controlled devices, sub ohm vaping, Nic salts, pod systems, rebuildable coils, DIY juice and many other innovations. Most advertisements you see today from vape companies emphasize the new technologies as compared to what is currently available. It appears to me that this approach is targeted to current vapors and not so much to convert smokers to e cigarettes. I was able to convert a number of smokers to vapors over the years by explaining the basics of vaping which was pretty simple. If asked today what I would recommend to start with when converting, I would recommend a quality MTL setup to start (thats what smoking is) and explain that as they get more into vaping there are many other options to explore. I think this forum does a great job in educating both new vapors and veterans in this regard. I believe that manufactures should do a better job on there websites explaining starter kit recommendations vs the more advanced items. In closing I would like to say that I believe we as vapors are starting to make some progress to get vaping accepted as a much safer alternative to cigarette smoking but we still have a long way to go especially with all the "fake news" out there relating to vaping.

Vape on-Artie

 

[dripster]

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First off if dl is the only way to quit smoking or the best way to quit then how did most people on ecf quit with mtl.

Who knows maybe it's because those in favor of giving DTL to quit a reasonable chance have mostly grown sick and tired of all the MTL zealotry going on at ECF so that they decided to pack their online bags as a result?