Have to vape like crazy on 24ml just to get the same nic as a cigarette

[vjc0628]

Hi

When you start... it could be a lot of things. Welcome to vaping 101.

Nope - vaping isn't smoking. Because it isn't the nicotine from vaping doesn't hit you over the head the way a cigarette does. It gets absorbed in your mouth more slowly - the same as that Nic-O-Gum. If you are trying to ramp your nic level up to get something like a cigarette buzz from a short vape you can make yourself sick chasing that. That can be a problem when you are starting vaping/quitting smoking if you are restricted to limited vape breaks at work. This works best if you can pace your vaping out on a consistent basis.

The other thing about vaping isn't smoking you will be dealing with is quit smoking withdrawal. This isn't just about replacing nicotine with nicotine. It's also about your body and brain going through withdrawal from all the crap that comes along with the nicotine from burning processed tobacco - including trace amounts of MAOI's - antidepressants. While you are sorting out the withdrawal higher and higher nicotine levels can't compensate for that entire process.

It sounds like your bigger problem right now is expecting vaping to be the same thing as smoking. It isn't. A lot of people new to vaping have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent enough basis to deal with the cravings. Random vape breaks here and there throughout the day seldom work well when you are starting.

you are right on everything you say

I am lucky in a sense because I work from home so I did not have to face that
but I speak to friend starting to think about this path

would you think it be good for them to use nicotine gum in the beginning to get through the rough patches at work

 

[ivinnz]

Coming from a 1/2 pack a day of Marlboro lights I started of on 6mg juice and its not doing it for me.
Would going to 24mg be a to big a step?

Not easy to get hold of nic juice where I'm from so thought Ill ask before ordering.

Thanks

 

[Deacon987]

It definitely gets better as you go along. I started at 24mg and vaped like a madman. Now down to 6mg and feeling fine. Stick with it, man!

 

[DarkSky]

Nicotine from vaping has to be absorbed through the mucus membranes in your mouth and throat.

So inhaling is actually WASTING the nicotine from vapor then. I'm whipping it quickly PAST my mouth and throat where it's absorbed, and holding it in my lungs. I'll try just rolling the vapor around in my mouth as one does with cigars.

This is where the mind has to take over and tell yourself that if this is going to work you are going to have to make concessions. When you can vape, do it before you get to the craving stage. It is like taking pain meds after the pain is unbearable. You end up playing catch up instead of staying ahead of it. I hope in some small way this helps?

Thanks! Yes at work I'll vape for awhile before break time, and by the time break comes, the urge to go out with the guys to have a .... has diminished. (mostly because it's friggin cold outside right now ! hah) We'll see how it works come spring/summer.

I had no idea that nicotine in vapor wasn't absorbed by the lungs though. You're actually the 2nd person to tell me that in the last week since I joined here. I'll try just swashing it around in my mouth as with cigars, then releasing it. Maybe I'll have quicker absorption that way. I know nicotine from cigar smoke can hit one very quickly just by keeping it in the mouth. (I smoke cigars and my pipe on the drive in to work)

 

[DarkSky]

If you flood your vaper, be careful about suckin that raw juice straight in your mouth or you might get more nic than you want.
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I've had it before where some juice as come up onto my lips. Some people say it's a nasty experience - but the juices I have are all very SWEET! (they taste pretty darn fine actually! hah) I always wipe it away though as I don't want it sitting their absorbing ON TOP of what I'm already vaping.

 

[Tin Tiara]

My tips : don't think to much about quit smoking. The brain even more demanding if you say no. Just vape on and smoke if you want to. Its been two months since I vaping and now only a pack of cigarette a week compare to 2 pack a day before I vape. I'm still on the way to find my best flavor and setup. And who knows maybe someday I stop smoking cigarette without even realize it. Good luck.

This is close to where I am at with vaping simply using it to lengthen a pack of cigarettes and to be honest, when my system is working correctly its great. However its true, vaping is not smoking and never will be but its the best replacement I have found so far.

I cant wait to try new flavours and I love the cloud, my partner on the other hand its simply a nicotine device for him where as I like the action, flavour, cloud, device.

I dont know what the future holds for us we are struggling to find a mix we are both happy with so I guess its get an extra couple of clearomizers and see which we prefer individually.

 

[Tin Tiara]

Coming from a 1/2 pack a day of Marlboro lights I started of on 6mg juice and its not doing it for me.
Would going to 24mg be a to big a step?

Not easy to get hold of nic juice where I'm from so thought Ill ask before ordering.

Thanks

I am in Australia and I believe we have the same issues as you I believe, I wanted a replacement for menthol cigarettes, so I purchased 8mg which is way higher than I smoked in a tobacco menthol flavour, and then also purchased a 0 nic menthol, the 8mg nearly killed me, so I mixed it 50/50 with my menthol to create a 4mg, I would suggest you do the same, purchase a flavoured 24mg, and an flavoured 0 nic, that way you can do a 50/50 mix and end up with 12mg, or a 75/25 mix and get 6mg

 

[ImageX]

'Just started vaping a couple days ago. Ordered 9 10ml vials: 7x16mgs and 2x24mgs.

Using an eGo-U battery, CE4 atomizer.

Felt like I was getting almost no nicotine from the 16mg one, so I filled up my other atomizer with one of the 24mg ones.

STILL have to use the thing constantly just to get the same amount of nicotine that a cigarette provides it seems.

Like at work on break, when I go out for a smoke, after 1 (regular smoke, 1.2mg of nicotine), one can really feel the nicotine in your system. And how many drags does one take from a cigarette? 15 maybe? (I've never actually counted).

It seems like I have to do about 2X that of constant vaping on 24mg to get that same feeling that a cigarette gives me.

Is this normal?

I'm looking for a strength that I can smoke like a cigarette: not constantly sucking on the thing breath after breath.

Should I switch up to 36mg? The site I order from only goes as high as 24mg, but I've seen 36mg liquids on other sites.

??

Dump the Ego and get a real variable voltage mod with some real power. That is the first step to "getting enough".

 

[Rickajho]

To everyone else that has massively replied to my original post (and wow - I wasn't expecting such a huge repost): THANKS!!

Yah my next liquid purchase will be 36mg, simply so instead of having suck on the thing 20X a minute, maybe I can relax it back to 10X We'll see how the 36mg works.

Right now I'm just looking for something that I can get the same nic. as a cigarette, while I'm just starting. Even if I have to up it to 48mg, and only take 4-5 vapes over the course of a minute, that works for me. I've read some people say 48mg is near lethal if it's not diluted down to less, but if I only take a vape off it 5-6 times over a 15minute break at work, and after that 15mins I feel it's given me the same nicoten as 2x 1.2mg cigarettes, I'm happy I'll try the 36mg first.

Thanks again everyone!

I'm really advising caution here because by the time you "feel" a nicotine buzz like you are chasing the next things you may be feeling are palpitations, rapid pulse, sweating, dizziness and elevated levels of anxiety for a couple hours.

 

[FireDragon1138]

Vaping doesn't feel the same... it satisfies cravings but really doesn't give you a buzz, for the most part.

There is also whole tobacco alkaloid, I've found the effect is "different" from ordinary e-juice. Not sure if its better honestly, but I know it's helped some.

Vaping is more like smokeless tobacco, the nic builds up gradually and goes away gradually. You could end up sick for longer if you overdo it.

I find vaping reproduce some of the behaviors of smoking and satisfies that, which is why I prefer cig-a-likes. If I wanted to be a nicotine junky, frankly I'd use snus, it's much better at that than vaping.

 

[PhxMike]

Lots of great advice on this topic. As a newbie, I found that even with the MVP I wasn't getting the hit I was looking for so I experimented with different types of clearomizers and watt settings till I found the hit as was looking. Tried a36mg nic level but found it was too strong and produced a numbing sensation in my mouth even though I was a 2 pack a day smoker. Don't give up,

 

[anumber1]

As many have said in this thread, It takes time to adjust to vaping instead of smoking.
I found that after 3 days I didnt crave the cigs nearly as bad, so I did the logical thing and fired one up. I craved cigs HARD again. Hard.

SO while vaping took care of 75% of my need for a smoke, asingle cig erased that and started me back a square one with the hard core, just quit cravings.

I smoked 30 years, that habit is not going to just go away like it never happend. I get it now.

I don't think its just the nic in smokes either. A commercial cig is a marvel of "addition engineering". Big tobacco doesn't have to list all additives in a cig. Im betting some ingredients are in there to hop up the crave in ways nic just doesnt do.

Another anecdote; My vape nic crave is much more mild than a cig crave. I don't have half the anxiety when I can't vape for a few hours compared to when I couldn't smoke for a few hours.

Hope this makes some sense

 

[anumber1]

oops posted twice

 

[Jubb]

Is it true that the nicotine is absorbed through your mouth, not your lungs?

 

[Zjeepster]

I've been vaping for a couple months now, and using the same set-up and strength you are and I chain vape as well! Theres a psychological difference to overcome is what I've really noticed. Theres a certain romance or ritual with a cigarette, lighting it up, the smell of the smoke, having it gradually burn down....etc. I think I chain vape because theres no "beginning and end" or "timeframe" like a cigarette has. There isn't that feeling of closure with vaping, if that makes sense lol. But I must admit, I feel much healthier.

 

[GPC2012]

The wife and I started vaping at Christmas. We were smoking just under a pack a day each. previously we had been close to 2 packs a day. we bought a new place and decided not to smoke inside. That helped us cut down. When we started vaping we didn't worry about quiting, we are just letting it go. We now smoke maybe 2 or 3 a day. I'm getting where I will smoke a little put it out and relight it later. this seems to work for me. after relighting the same cig three time it begins to taste a whole lot like s*&% and I find myself prefering a vape instead of the last half of the cig. Soon I think we won't even care about have a cig. We've already cut our nocotine level down to mixing 6 and 12 half and half. I think what you are missing is the chemical hit you get from all the crap in the cigs. that will pass as you radually cut down. just give it time ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY

 

[Melissa549]

Hi

When you start... it could be a lot of things. Welcome to vaping 101.

Nope - vaping isn't smoking. Because it isn't the nicotine from vaping doesn't hit you over the head the way a cigarette does. It gets absorbed in your mouth more slowly - the same as that Nic-O-Gum. If you are trying to ramp your nic level up to get something like a cigarette buzz from a short vape you can make yourself sick chasing that. That can be a problem when you are starting vaping/quitting smoking if you are restricted to limited vape breaks at work. This works best if you can pace your vaping out on a consistent basis.

The other thing about vaping isn't smoking you will be dealing with is quit smoking withdrawal. This isn't just about replacing nicotine with nicotine. It's also about your body and brain going through withdrawal from all the crap that comes along with the nicotine from burning processed tobacco - including trace amounts of MAOI's - antidepressants. While you are sorting out the withdrawal higher and higher nicotine levels can't compensate for that entire process.

It sounds like your bigger problem right now is expecting vaping to be the same thing as smoking. It isn't. A lot of people new to vaping have to work up to vaping enough and on a consistent enough basis to deal with the cravings. Random vape breaks here and there throughout the day seldom work well when you are starting.

Just wanted to say Thank You. You nailed just how I felt when I started vaping. I know I'm getting the nic, but it just doesn't come in a rush like it did with cigs, I need to give my brain a minute to catch on that it's there. I use "yoga" breathing between vapes to give my brain a chance to catch on. One deep breath in and out, 2 normal breaths. And even though throat hit and vapor were there it still felt like I was missing something, so I chain vaped for awhile, had to really work at reprogramming myself to the new nic delivery (without all the added junk of cigs). I'm glad I stuck with the e-cig and worked it out. I feel great, and making it until break time at work is getting easier. No more sneaking into the bathroom for a quickie, lol.