RDA HAZARD!! Kennedy RDA Defect (clone)

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    I love the Kennedy but folks should be aware of a potentially DANGEROUS flaw that occurred in the particular unit that I purchased. Also, this version is the competition version of the Kennedy. This defect is with a clone and I am not sure if it is found in the authentic.

    I will expound a bit in case others have the same problem: To put it simply, the coils that I wound would only last for a day or so and would burn in half. One time I built a set of coils and they only lasted a couple of hours. Of course, this is not normal and I knew there was a problem but I couldn't seem to find the problem at first. My first thought was that the gauge of wire I was using was the wrong size (even though I knew better) and so I recalculated the current, voltages, resistance, wire diameter, etc ... and everything was fine. Even at the lower power settings of around 30W the coils would not last very long and would burn in half. So, I knew the coils themselves were not the problem. I usually keeps my builds at about 0.4ohms.

    As always, on each build, I make absolutely sure that the coils do not touch any part of the connection posts or the metal top cap. So, since I could not see anywhere the coil was possibly touching, I was having trouble figuring out what was responsible for the coils failing.........

    It wasn't until one day while I was cleaning the top cap and building yet another set of coils that I discovered what the culprit was..... The top cap on the competition version of the Kennedy has two long, hollow, metal, air tubes that come down from the area by the drip tip to about midway inside of the top cap. The air tubes are supposedly there to help cool the vape at higher wattage and vapor. What I discovered is that those MISERABLE metal tubes were so long that from time to time they would actually come in contact and touch the coils! Of course, this is disastrous because the outside top cap is negative in polarity and if it touches say the center of a coil then it effectively shorts out half the coil and reduces the resistance of the coil to HALF of what it should be. This thereby greatly increases current flow and burns out the coils.

    Once I found what I suspected was the problem, I tried building several different coil diameters in order to determine if smaller diameter coils would be small enough to keep from touching those air flow tubes. No matter what I tried, I discovered that the tubes still touched the coils! Even if I kept the coils as low and as close to the deck as possible, the tubes still ended up touching the coils........ So, I then knew for 100% that there was a manufacturing flaw and that if I wanted to continue to use the Kennedy (which I love) then I would have to somehow remove the metal airflow tubes from the top cap. So, at first attempt, I tried to remove them by grabbing them with needle nose pliers and twisting them out. This did not work as the tubes are anchored to the top cap very well and the pliers kept slipping off. So, What worked for me was that I decided to use a drill bit that is slightly larger than the diameter of the tubes. The drill bit actually grabbed into the metal of the tubes and twisted them out in short order and all without damaging the top cap in the least.

    So, now it is fixed and I have ZERO problems with coils malfunctioning prematurely, not to mention that it is dangerous to draw heavy amounts of currents with shorting coils. Of course, I do not know if this was a defect with just my particular unit or if it is to be found in some clones and knockoffs from China. It would not surprise me in the least to find that all of the clones where I purchased mine have the defect. I mean my gosh, they made the clone exacting and perfect in every way EXCEPT they made those air tubes too long and they end up touching the coils. Of course this type of defect can have harmful consequences, especially to new RDA users and coil builders. Not only is there the dangers of batteries but you can also wipe out the regulated board , if using a regulated mod. Even though regulated mods usually have short circuit protection, repeated shorts will eventually overheat the board and it will fail. Also, I know I inhaled much burning wire at times when the coils fried while I was hitting it.
     
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    It's good to know that you caught the problem with the shorting due to the "Demon" cap air tubes. Your very lucky you didn't get hurt.

    I think it would be helpful if you gave potential buyers an idea on clone manufacturer or the site where you purchased the clone with item number.

    I have three Kennedy's, 2 center holed authentics, and one clone competition with gremlin and dragon caps. On one of the authentics, I had an arcing problem that was resolved immediately by the manufacturer, Kennedy Vapor. I don't believe the demon cap issues exist with the authentics since it's been out for a long time and yours is the first report to surface.

    Sorry to say... here's another reason on why folks buy authentics instead of clones.
     

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    + 1 on authentic ......... Some clones that come out are really good and very exacting....... But in this case, there was a defect that could cause some serious injury for sure and this is why I posted it on here in hopes to warn other people. I love the Kennedy (especially now that I fixed it) because I am an avid cloud chuck-er and those Kennedy's have massive airflow. As you know, you can also place a ton of juice on the deck to keep from having to drip quite so often.

    I purchased that Kennedy from Amazon, but it was shipped directly from China (go figure)....... If I like a device (the clone) then I will attempt to get an authentic. Anyway people, just be aware that the Kennedy has various top caps available for it and the "Demon" top cap that I got is the ones with the air tubes that are too long, so be careful if thinking about getting one with this particular top cap.

    But, don't let this post make you afraid of the Kennedy. It is one of the best RDA's for cloud chucking I have got my lips on. Plus all of the reviews of them are awesome...... It's just that the particular manufacturer of this clone is producing faulty ones. This is not to say that all clone manufacturers are making faulty ones because there are many clone manufacturers out there.... That being said if you are going to purchase a clone Kennedy (competition model) then be very aware that you could get a top cap with air tubes that are way too long. Best thing to do is buy an authentic. They are an awesome RDA.
     
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    + 1 on authentic ......... Some clones that come out are really good and very exacting....... But in this case, there was a defect that could cause some serious injury for sure and this is why I posted it on here in hopes to warn other people. I love the Kennedy (especially now that I fixed it) because I am an avid cloud chuck-er and those Kennedy's have massive airflow. As you know, you can also place a ton of juice on the deck to keep from having to drip quite so often.

    I purchased that Kennedy from Amazon, but it was shipped directly from China (go figure)....... If I like a device (the clone) then I will attempt to get an authentic. Anyway people, just be aware that the Kennedy has various top caps available for it and the "Demon" top cap that I got is the ones with the air tubes that are too long, so be careful if thinking about getting one with this particular top cap.

    But, don't let this post make you afraid of the Kennedy. It is one of the best RDA's for cloud chucking I have got my lips on. Plus all of the reviews of them are awesome...... It's just that the particular manufacturer of this clone is producing faulty ones. This is not to say that all clone manufacturers are making faulty ones because there are many clone manufacturers out there.... That being said if you are going to purchase a clone Kennedy (competition model) then be very aware that you could get a top cap with air tubes that are way too long. Best thing to do is buy an authentic. They are an awesome RDA.

    On my Kennedy Competition clone which has four air tubes on the deck, you absolutely cannot tell the difference from the authentic. Even the authentic caps - Dragon and Gremlin fit on the base perfectly. Not a bad deal for $7 and some change. But... I prefer the 2 hole centered version for the flavor with just the right amount of airflow for me.
     
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    Title should state CLONE in it. Authentic Demon caps are fine(I have two). Clones you've got to expect issues with manufacturing tolerances, which is exactly what you've experienced. Honestly I yanked the tubes out of my one clone Demon cap, they were too long and I wanted a normal functioning cap so I plugged the holes at the top and yanked the tubes out.

    How I removed them was to pinch the bottom of the tubes closed and then put a small punch in from the top side to tap them out, worked a treat.
     

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    Title should state CLONE in it. Authentic Demon caps are fine(I have two). Clones you've got to expect issues with manufacturing tolerances, which is exactly what you've experienced.

    If people read the post they will PLAINLY see that it's a clone. I have had lots of clones for various things and NEVER experienced any type of manufacturing tolerances issues or anything else for that matter. This is the ONLY time I have had a weird tolerance associated with a device. Unfortunately this is the type of flaw that can cause someone , or their gear to get seriously injured.
     

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    But... I prefer the 2 hole centered version for the flavor with just the right amount of airflow for me.

    Never used the two hole version but watched video reviews on it. Lots of folks don't like the Kennedy because of the lack of adjustable airflow...... But, the way I see it, the Kennedy was not designed for anything but cloud chucking and so why have a way to turn the air flow down? Personally, I like the Kennedy...... There are lots of other good RDA's out there but I still like the Kennedy.
     
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    Never used the two hole version but watched video reviews on it. Lots of folks don't like the Kennedy because of the lack of adjustable airflow...... But, the way I see it, the Kennedy was not designed for anything but cloud chucking and so why have a way to turn the air flow down? Personally, I like the Kennedy...... There are lots of other good RDA's out there but I still like the Kennedy.

    I would have NEVER considered a Kennedy because I thought it was a major leaker. I went to check out a new vape shop and the owner let me try his Kennedy setup and I was hooked and bought one. It's not a perfect atty but it's damn great when you build it properly and not overdrip. Currently, I'm using the Kennedy and a Zephyrus as my daily carry. The Zeph will be put aside tomorrow after DHL makes delivery of my Steam Crave RTDA...
     

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    I would have NEVER considered a Kennedy because I thought it was a major leaker. I went to check out a new vape shop and the owner let me try his Kennedy setup and I was hooked and bought one. It's not a perfect atty but it's damn great when you build it properly and not overdrip. Currently, I'm using the Kennedy and a Zephyrus as my daily carry. The Zeph will be put aside tomorrow after DHL makes delivery of my Steam Crave RTDA...

    I've never had a problem with leaking juice like lots of others have. I am very careful about how I place my wicking near the air holes. Never tried the Zeph tank but from what I have read it seems like a great one for sure...... I use the Arctic tank, which has massive airflow for a sub ohm tank and I like it very well.

    I hope you like your new Steam Crave.
     
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    I've never had a problem with leaking juice like lots of others have. I am very careful about how I place my wicking near the air holes. Never tried the Zeph tank but from what I have read it seems like a great one for sure...... I use the Arctic tank, which has massive airflow for a sub ohm tank and I like it very well.

    I hope you like your new Steam Crave.

    Thanks... I hope so too!

    I almost pulled the trigger on the EHPRO Nixon but it's too much like the Kennedy... but at a fantastic price.
     

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    Never used the two hole version but watched video reviews on it. Lots of folks don't like the Kennedy because of the lack of adjustable airflow...... But, the way I see it, the Kennedy was not designed for anything but cloud chucking and so why have a way to turn the air flow down? Personally, I like the Kennedy...... There are lots of other good RDA's out there but I still like the Kennedy.
    You should really try the two hole deck, it's much more of a every day flavor machine. Three of my every day use devices have a two hole Kennedy deck in use, super great flavor with the Gremlin cap.

    Thanks... I hope so too!

    I almost pulled the trigger on the EHPRO Nixon but it's too much like the Kennedy... but at a fantastic price.
    And adjustable airflow, mine should be here Tuesday or Wednesday this week so I'm excited. I'm curious if the airflow is easy to completely close off, blocking the bottom holes of the deck entirely.
     

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    And adjustable airflow, mine should be here Tuesday or Wednesday this week so I'm excited. I'm curious if the airflow is easy to completely close off, blocking the bottom holes of the deck entirely.

    Don't discuss the Nixon too much. It's very difficult for me to pass on it at the current sale price. If the Kennedy caps fits then it's in my cart!
     
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    Title should state CLONE in it. Authentic Demon caps are fine(I have two). Clones you've got to expect issues with manufacturing tolerances, which is exactly what you've experienced. Honestly I yanked the tubes out of my one clone Demon cap, they were too long and I wanted a normal functioning cap so I plugged the holes at the top and yanked the tubes out.

    How I removed them was to pinch the bottom of the tubes closed and then put a small punch in from the top side to tap them out, worked a treat.

    I agree...and not everyone will read the entire post - especially when they see the length. The title is misleading and does a disservice to the authentic maufacturer. It takes two seconds to edit the title and to to otherwise is irresponsible.
     
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    I agree...and not everyone will read the entire post - especially when they see the length. The title is misleading and does a disservice to the authentic maufacturer. It takes two seconds to edit the title and to to otherwise is irresponsible.

    Are you satisfied now? Or maybe I should place the word "clone" at the beginning as well as the ending just in case some folks have poor eyesight. Good Gosh! There is certainly no need to be so nit picky and .... about everything. Some of you folks seem to forget that I not only spent my time but also some effort in writing out that post. I could have just not wrote anything and let some folks purchase what I did and then blow their face off. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I care about people and about the vaping industry and was trying to warn people and you guys are going to be picky about leaving a word out of my title? So, you not only want me to spend my time and effort in creating a informational post but you also want me to word it just perfectly as well? Also I was wanting people to read the post just in case they had similar symptoms with their top caps. If people just read a title and are too lazy to read a post because they fear it may be too long then that's just their problem and lack of interest.

    As for not caring about the authentic manufacturer, I happen to care very much and this is why I buy authentics after purchasing the clones and trying them out.
     
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    Are you satisfied now? Or maybe I should place the word "clone" at the beginning as well as the ending just in case some folks have poor eyesight. Good Gosh! There is certainly no need to be so nit picky and .... about everything. Some of you folks seem to forget that I not only spent my time but also some effort in writing out that post. I could have just not wrote anything and let some folks purchase what I did and then blow their face off. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I care about people and about the vaping industry and was trying to warn people and you guys are going to be picky about leaving a word out of my title? So, you not only want me to spend my time and effort in creating a informational post but you also want me to word it just perfectly as well? Also I was wanting people to read the post just in case they had similar symptoms with their top caps. If people just read a title and are too lazy to read a post because they fear it may be too long then that's just their problem and lack of interest.

    As for not caring about the authentic manufacturer, I happen to care very much and this is why I buy authentics after purchasing the clones and trying them out.

    There are many other posts that may not be titled "correctly" too. Just be aware of it in future topics. I read your post and had no problem determining that the problem was with a Kennedy clone, not authentic. The main thing is that you were not injured because of a poorly copied clone. I thank you for mentioning about the problem because I may have taken for granted that the clones were pretty much 1 to 1 and they are not. A I mentioned before... another solid reason to purchase an authentic. Nuff said.
     
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    There are many other posts that may not be titled "correctly" too. Just be aware of it in future topics. I read your post and had no problem determining that the problem was with a Kennedy clone, not authentic. The main thing is that you were not injured because of a poorly copied clone. I thank you for mentioning about the problem because I may have taken for granted that the clones were pretty much 1 to 1 and they are not. A I mentioned before... another solid reason to purchase an authentic. Nuff said.


    Agreed, but then again, you actually were not lazy and read my post. I also thank you mr.fabe for realizing that I am just trying to warn people........ On this web site I mostly have commented on posts and not created posts and so I am not exactly used to creating posts yet. Had I pondered on the title for very long then I would have placed the word "clone" in the title to begin with but I was more concerned with getting my message out to people than I was worrying about my title.
     

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    Agreed, but then again, you actually were not lazy and read my post. I also thank you mr.fabe for realizing that I am just trying to warn people........ On this web site I mostly have commented on posts and not created posts and so I am not exactly used to creating posts yet. Had I pondered on the title for very long then I would have placed the word "clone" in the title to begin with but I was more concerned with getting my message out to people than I was worrying about my title.

    No worries.
    If you prevent at least one person from having an accident, in my eyes, the effort was well worth it despite the title used.
     

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    Are you satisfied now? Or maybe I should place the word "clone" at the beginning as well as the ending just in case some folks have poor eyesight. Good Gosh! There is certainly no need to be so nit picky and .... about everything. Some of you folks seem to forget that I not only spent my time but also some effort in writing out that post. I could have just not wrote anything and let some folks purchase what I did and then blow their face off. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I care about people and about the vaping industry and was trying to warn people and you guys are going to be picky about leaving a word out of my title? So, you not only want me to spend my time and effort in creating a informational post but you also want me to word it just perfectly as well? Also I was wanting people to read the post just in case they had similar symptoms with their top caps. If people just read a title and are too lazy to read a post because they fear it may be too long then that's just their problem and lack of interest.

    As for not caring about the authentic manufacturer, I happen to care very much and this is why I buy authentics after purchasing the clones and trying them out.

    You're so very magnanimous. Thanks for the public service.

    Anyone that builds an RDA or RTA should check their build with the cap (or chimney) off, and again with the cap (or chimney) on. If the resistance is different that should be an immediate red flag and they should stop and check the build. That would resolve the "hazard" of using any RDA, clone or otherwise.
     
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    You're so very magnanimous. Thanks for the public service.

    Anyone that builds an RDA or RTA should check their build with the cap (or chimney) off, and again with the cap (or chimney) on. If the resistance is different that should be an immediate red flag and they should stop and check the build. That would resolve the "hazard" of using any RDA, clone or otherwise.

    Excellent point for everyone on checking resistance for shorts. I too, can be guilty of skipping this important step and assuming that everything should work fine as long as my coils stay within the deck. Just as important as making sure you use the correct type batteries when using a mechanical. Thanks.

    Kinda harsh on @AXIOM_1
     
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