HCigar VT200

[Monoxxide]

Arent those things already shipped to big distributors?
Wat is the actual release date, maybe it was just to late when the fuss about it started?
Still hopefull they will change it on upcomming batches or you think even that will be false hope?

They should have send these things earlyer to reviewers, but then again, not one reviewer even mentioned brass was a let down. Companies like that must have beta testers to or not?

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Arent those things already shipped to big distributors?
Wat is the actual release date, maybe it was just to late when the fuss about it started?
Still hopefull they will change it on upcomming batches or you think even that will be false hope?

They should have send these things earlyer to reviewers, but then again, not one reviewer even mentioned brass was a let down. Companies like that must have beta testers to or not?

I would seriously hate to be a distributor right now....this connector is gonna fail very, very quickly and they're gonna be swamped by warranty returns demanding SS replacements.

The brass connector might be strategic, making sure that only warranty returns get an upgrade?

It's just irrational that they'd use an SS 510 on the HB40 and then downgrade to brass ....unless their plan is intentional and they actually want it to fail?

It's the same type of mentality by not releasing replacement batteries until October/November....if at all this year?

Anybody that buys this device is DEFINITELY going to be either replacing the 510 with an FDV or Varitube 510....OR....you'll be using your warranty before December and demanding a SS 510.

 

[Monoxxide]

Imho we are a very small percentage of there targeting market, most people dont even use forums, they jump in a shop and buy wat they like.
My gepetto from 2012 had a brass 510 to, noone complained about that back then and it worked properly (bit/much wobbly) for over a year.
Last service i had on it in 2014 gepetto upgraded it for free and unasked to a SS one.
Dont think they will have any problems selling whatever they got in stock, there even people on here who are perfectly happy with a brass one.
We getting in a price range though that im expecting more then a year from a mod and hcigar wont upgrade my vt200 box in a year like pawel did (and that was a 95 gbp mod not 170 usd).

 

[inspects]

I would be in for a mod if they did have the SS 510. The mods do look nice.

Pity they skimp on the most important component. I can't believe is just threaded in the frame too....unbelievable.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Imho we are a very small percentage of there targeting market, most people dont even use forums, they jump in a shop and buy wat they like.
My gepetto from 2012 had a brass 510 to, noone complained about that back then and it worked properly (bit wobbly) for over a year.
Last service i had on it in 2014 gepetto upgraded it for free to a SS one.
Dont think they will have any problems selling whatever they got in stock, there even people on here who are perfectly happy with a brass one.

I respectfully disagree.

$170+ mods = User's that demand quality and someone with experience vaping.

While there's going to be the small handful of peeps that are utterly ignorant of 'brass vs SS', they'll find out very quickly why it sucks as a 510 connector.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

I would be in for a mod if they did have the SS 510. The mods do look nice.

Pity they skimp on the most important component. I can't believe is just threaded in the frame too....unbelievable.

EXACTLY.

The 510 is a critical component as is the quality of the fire button.

Everything else can be "crap" and it'll still function.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

What a major disappointment....the best DNA200 on the market is officially a $170+ FAIL.

Any reviewers in here better pay close attention, BRASS SUCKS!

 

[Croak]

And your assumption about brass over stainless steel might also be invalid:

Myth Busters: Stainless Steel Conductivity | E-Cigarette Forum

(Super-T Manufacturering)

First, dude, your brass doom is getting a bit over the top.

As I posted elsewhere in this thread, good quality brass is nearly as hard as 303 stainless, with a Rockwell rating between 80-90.

303 or 18-8 (or worse) is the type of SS most Chinese mods with SS 510 threads use, and has a Rockwell hardness rating in the 80-95 range. But any grade of SS has far less conductivity, and far more static resistance than brass. With a TC device, that can and does make a difference.

I'm willing to give HCigar the benefit of the doubt when they say they use good quality brass. You seem to assume they're using cheap brass.

And citing a post from five years ago, when APVs could barely measure resistance in the tenths of an ohm, and coils with resistances less than 2.0 ohms were rare if unheard of, and nobody was trying to real-time monitor resistance changes in the hundredths of an ohm, doesn't "bust" any myths.

 

[Monoxxide]

And citing a post from five years ago, when APVs could barely measure resistance in the tenths of an ohm, and coils with resistances less than 2.0 ohms were rare if unheard of, and nobody was trying to real-time monitor resistance changes in the hundredths of an ohm, doesn't "bust" any myths.

So how do you feel about evolv their SS with copper pin 510, they screwed up to?
Noone is saying the contact pin need to be SS...
You just seem to have read over that comment.

Special brass cmon man, i got nothing against china if they dont clone but are you seriously believing that yourself. Guess we will see, alto we should have some feedback on that already, because they used brass on some previous mods if i read correct? Was it very special yes and even if its special, its brass?

No need for a french/latin/english reply, just english looks more then smart enough. Otherwise you get me confused again and make me pull out crappy google translate.

Pretty intresting btw, seeing knowledgable vapers like you (no sarcasm) making up excuses that make no sence. Its china, they dont need vapers to make things up for them, they will handle that themself. Hint the 1800 mah lipo that turned out to be a 1500 mah in the other dna200 box.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

First, dude, your brass doom is getting a bit over the top.

As I posted elsewhere in this thread, good quality brass is nearly as hard as 303 stainless, with a Rockwell rating between 80-90.

If read back, cimon already covered what kind of quality of brass that you should be expecting from the VT200....as another member posted a quote from reviewer Richard Ng's contact.....when he asked.

It'll be the same quality as the VT40, which cimon posted images of his beginning to weaken in 2 weeks of use causing his tank to be "weebly-wobbly".

That's a FAIL...period.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

So how do you feel about evolv their SS with copper pin 510, they screwed up to?
Noone is saying the contact pin need to be SS...

Special brass cmon man, i got nothing against china if they dont clone but are you seriously believing that yourself. Guess we will see, alto we should have some feedback on that already, because they used brass on some previous mods if i read correct? Was it very special yes?

Right....this isn't being made in the USA or the UK, it's CHINA!

Designed and built to break.

And probably intentionally.

 

[Monoxxide]

Thats why i said i got nothing against china, think its best we not go that route and just try to help m understand wat people expect these days for such prices.
They stepped up their game (well this company did), doubt they do such things intentionaly.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Thats why i said i got nothing against china, think its best we not go that route and just try to help m understand wat people expect these days for such prices.
They stepped up their game (well this company did), doubt they do such things intentionaly.

It's likely intentional...works well for cheap gear.

Breaks in 3 months, buy another one.

Since China's vaping production is so short-lived these days (3-6mths max), then the VT200 will be outdated in 6 months giving way to the next greatest mod.

It's not in their best interest to make a mod that's gonna last a year or more, cuz then the user would have no reason to buy their next release.

China builds stuff to break for a reason, they make more money with recyclables (i.e. atomizers vs cartomizers/clearomizers)

If they build the VT200 with a crap 510, then vendors could be forced to sell their stock for substantially less than $169 just to recover their investment....which would kill the warranty.

If you read the warranty terms closely, Hcigar will no longer supply "the particular mod" to that vendor if they break the terms of the MSRP and sell it for less. That doesn't mean that they'll stop selling future releases to them.

No warranty, no replacement....and Hcigar moves onto the V2 VT200 with an SS 510....6 months from now and change another component designed to break in less than 6 months.

This is why they're not releasing replacement battery packs until Oct/Nov if at all this year? They're counting on the device failing in less than 6 months and won't need to offer the replacement packs since the one installed will definitely last longer than the mod itself.

Having an SS connector, it should last a couple years easily....and you'd want a spare pack for it.

 

[drewburton48]

Hcigar VT200 box mod - Evolv DNA200 chip 200Watt - Upgradable - free Ni200 wire | eBay
Hmmm. This is were I submitted my pre-order.
In my usual excitement to get what I want ASOP, I neglected to read things through carefully.....the warranty addition towards the bottom of the advert says it all I think

 

[BlueridgeDog]

Seems to be a lot of talk about material and what might happen to it. I am looking for someone who has the mod to post about it, some images and experiences.

I get that some want specific items (for me the pressure of the 510 is important). If the mod is not up to my standards due to the 510 pressure, I may post a short blurb about why I am passing on it (going to pass on it regardless as I have several DNA200's in the works with the evolv 510 that is great for TC due to its pressure).

I don't think that my opinion on what makes a great mod is spectacularly erudite.

As to why evolv went with SS, the wave spring puts significant pressure on the base of the atomizer, creating even more pressure on the already fine threads, so hardness of the 510 was paramount.

 

[Mad Scientist]

First, dude, your brass doom is getting a bit over the top.

As I posted elsewhere in this thread, good quality brass is nearly as hard as 303 stainless, with a Rockwell rating between 80-90.

303 or 18-8 (or worse) is the type of SS most Chinese mods with SS 510 threads use, and has a Rockwell hardness rating in the 80-95 range. But any grade of SS has far less conductivity, and far more static resistance than brass. With a TC device, that can and does make a difference.

I'm willing to give HCigar the benefit of the doubt when they say they use good quality brass. You seem to assume they're using cheap brass.

And citing a post from five years ago, when APVs could barely measure resistance in the tenths of an ohm, and coils with resistances less than 2.0 ohms were rare if unheard of, and nobody was trying to real-time monitor resistance changes in the hundredths of an ohm, doesn't "bust" any myths.

I have no dog in this fight but when comparing materials you have to calculate the volume resistivity of the assembly. Volume resistivity of typical stainless steel is roughly 7E-5 ohm-cm. Other than the contact resistance (which every connection has), there's no way the conductivity through the material is going to make a difference at the negative connection of a 510 because of its large volume. If it did, the male threaded portion of stainless attys would cause even more of an issue. Also once the brass tarnishes, my bet would be its contact resistance exceeds stainless steel.

I think some folks are justifiably concerned about the durability of a brass 510 and some folks are not. Resistivity of the material is a red herring.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

Hcigar VT200 box mod - Evolv DNA200 chip 200Watt - Upgradable - free Ni200 wire | eBay
Hmmm. This is were I submitted my pre-order.
In my usual excitement to get what I want ASOP, I neglected to read things through carefully.....the warranty addition towards the bottom of the advert says it all I think

Yeeeeep....I'd say that pretty much says it all doesn't it.

"We offer full 12 month manufacturer warranty! There are stores selling below agreed price, and Hcigar VT200 from these stores are not covered by manufacturer warranty!!! (serial numbers are recorded)

Before dispatch, each piece passes quality control, threads are assembled in all configuration to exclude manufacturing defects. Therefore, there is no warranty on mechanical threading damage, scratches, bruises and arising out of normal use."

Soft way of saying...you strip your 510 or it becomes weakened "from normal use" you're hosed even if you bought it for MSRP and have a warranty.

 

[Daisychainvaper]

stupidity has no limits. We KNOW already how things should be done. Nevertheless, one manufacturer glues it in, the next one uses brass. Well done. Jumped on the VS instead of this one (not sure if this was wise or not).

Catch the thread one time wrong and you are . With SS you feel the resistance and even clumsy ppl are lucky and everything is fine. With brass, you have a new thread in there.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

I'd like to see a reviewer open it up and take pictures of the 510 connector.

If it's held onto the body with a nut, like an FDV, then I might buy one and replace that brass turd.

The rest of the mod is outstanding...it's the 510 that's Achilles's heel.

 

[Shekinahsgroom]

No need for a french/latin/english reply, just english looks more then smart enough. Otherwise you get me confused again and make me pull out crappy google translate.

How'd I miss that?

You weren't the only one.