Headache and Nausea...Help!

[Completely Average]

Just as an FYI in regards to nicotine levels, generally this is a good, basic guide.

2 or more packs a day, full flavor = 36mg
1 Pack a day, full flavor = 24mg
1 Pack a day, lights = 18mg
1 pack a day of ultra-lights = 12mg

Anything less than 12mg should be for people who only smoke a half pack or less a day, or are weening themselves off the nicotine.

 

[Bunnykiller]

UUUUGGGHHH!!!

I wish people would pay attention to what the OP has said.

#1. OP smoked cigarettes and still has symptoms = CANNOT BE NICOTINE WITHDRAWL
#2. OP smokes regularly and got the headache and nausea with only 1-2 puffs from the ecig with a 12mg nic level = CANNOT BE NICOTINE OD



That only leaves two possible options left.

The OP is either extremely sensitive to PG or is allergic to something in the flavoring. Odds are it is the PG.



Anyone who thinks that a nearly PAD smoker is going to have a nicotine OD from just 2 puffs of 12mg nic juice should get their heads examined. My wife smoked a PAD of Marlboro Light 100s and had no trouble puffing all day with a 24mg juice. If anything, the OP doesn't have enough nicotine in the liquid. No way is it enough to cause headache and nausea in just 2 puffs. Even a non-smoker wouldn't have those symptoms with that little nicotine intake. That's less than you would get from 2 puffs of a real cigarette.

I let my wife take a puff off of my 18mg blackberry(100VG) and she ended up with the same symptoms as mo2181, I cut the 18mg blackberry 50% with VG ( now 9 nic) and she handles it well. I tried 36 nic (100VG) and ended up with the same symptoms of mo2181... cut back to 30nic and no issue...

 

[mo2181]

Thank you completely average....PG is what I am leaning to as well. The symptoms started right off the bat...so I have a hard time believing its withdraw :/ I have a bottle of 100% VG and a 50/50 bottle on order, I did lower the nic to 8mg in these bottles just incase it is the nic level.

 

[DaveP]

12 mg nic is about half of what most choose when they switch from cigs to ecigs. You said you were only vaping 2-3 times and hour. Most vapers vape constantly throughout the day, so much that many refer to them as their pacifiers. This doesn't really compute.

Maybe you got some missmarked 36mg juice by accident. Maybe you aren't completely replacing the nic from not smoking and having withdrawal symptoms.

I'm sure there's a reason for your symptoms, but the info you provided doesn't click with my experience. When I started vaping I still smoked. By the end of the first week I was down from 2 PAD to about 6 cigarettes. I vaped 24mg all day long and had no odd symptoms. I could vape really hard and start to get some ringing ears and other symptoms of OD, but I had to work at it to produce them.

What you described sounds like me the first time I ever smoked a cigarette. I got giddy and dizzy and thought that was cool, so I smoked another one. That's when it got really scary. The same thing happened when I quit for two years and started back. Your symptoms seem like typical OD, but I'm not qualified to declare that to be fact.

 

[Racehorse]

I have been a smoker of Marlboro Lights for about 15yrs and smoke just under a pack a day.

Bingo. Marlboro Light has 0.5 mg of Nicotine. If you smoked 15 of those a day your nic level should be about 7.5mg.

So 12mg is too much for you. Try 6mg or 9mg

Determining nic level has nothing to do with what "most people" start with. A friend of mine smoked ultra lights and 15mg just about made her keel over, which is what I was vaping at the time and all i had.

It has everything to do w/what brand, nic level, and number of cigs the person smoked.

 

[Completely Average]

I let my wife take a puff off of my 18mg blackberry(100VG) and she ended up with the same symptoms as mo2181, I cut the 18mg blackberry 50% with VG ( now 9 nic) and she handles it well. I tried 36 nic (100VG) and ended up with the same symptoms of mo2181... cut back to 30nic and no issue...

And did you both continue to have those same symptoms without using any ejuice and smoking analogs instead? Even into the next day?

Yes yes, do read EVERYTHING, not just the part you want to talk about.


Nicotine only lasts in your system a few hours. If the nicotine was the problem then the OP should have felt fine within 2-3 hours of stopping using that ejuice.

 

[Completely Average]

Bingo. Marlboro Light has 0.5 mg of Nicotine. If you smoked 15 of those a day your nic level should be about 7.5mg.

You do know that you do not absorb as much nicotine from vaping as you do from smoking, right? Typically you only absorb about 20% or less of the nicotine when you're vaping.

That's why you don't kill yourself using an ecig. The nicotine levels in a single ml of 24mg ejuice is about the same as an entire pack of cigarettes, but since you only absorb a fraction of that you actually end up with less nicotine in your system than if you smoked.

Typically, a PAD smoker will go through about 3ml of juice per day. At 24mg that's 72mg of nicotine per day. In theory, that's a fatal amount.

 

[Bunnykiller]

And did you both continue to have those same symptoms without using any ejuice and smoking analogs instead?

Yes yes, do read EVERYTHING, not just the part you want to talk about.

nope, the symptoms cleared up after dropping the nic levels

 

[yzer]

A lot of people new to vaping and cigarette cessation don't understand what causes the withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal from nicotine is actually fairly mild and over in three days or so. There are other powerful compounds in tobacco tar that work with nicotine to amplify it's effect. Those compounds are not present in the highly refined Nicotine USP used for our e-liquids. I've been through both tobacco tar withdrawal and nicotine withdrawal. Over a year after I quit smoking I quit vaping nicotine and went to zero nic for a month while recovering from surgery for a broken leg. Withdrawals from vaping nicotine were surprisingly mild. Withdrawal from cigarette tar is tough and can last up to a week. This is what I have learned from my own experience. Your experience may be different.

I quit smoking cold turkey many times. Sometimes I stayed off them for a month. I vaped and smoked at the same time gradually replacing cigarettes with vaping. That worked up to a point for me but after six months I was still smoking anywhere from a half pack to a full pack and vaping. Eventually I just had to make the jump, endured the withdrawal symptoms and quit all smoking for vaping.

 

[Racehorse]

#2. OP smokes regularly and got the headache and nausea with only 1-2 puffs from the ecig with a 12mg nic level = CANNOT BE NICOTINE OD

My friend's head started *swimming* after only 2 puffs on my too-high nicotine vape. I was using 15mg. high VG.

We cut it to 6 and she was fine.

 

[QuietProSF]

UUUUGGGHHH!!!

I wish people would pay attention to what the OP has said.

#1. OP smoked cigarettes and still has symptoms = CANNOT BE NICOTINE WITHDRAWL
#2. OP smokes regularly and got the headache and nausea with only 1-2 puffs from the ecig with a 12mg nic level = CANNOT BE NICOTINE OD



That only leaves two possible options left.

The OP is either extremely sensitive to PG or is allergic to something in the flavoring. Odds are it is the PG.



Anyone who thinks that a nearly PAD smoker is going to have a nicotine OD from just 2 puffs of 12mg nic juice should get their heads examined. My wife smoked a PAD of Marlboro Light 100s and had no trouble puffing all day with a 24mg juice. If anything, the OP doesn't have enough nicotine in the liquid. No way is it enough to cause headache and nausea in just 2 puffs. Even a non-smoker wouldn't have those symptoms with that little nicotine intake. That's less than you would get from 2 puffs of a real cigarette.

You are generalizing, and your statement is false from personal experience. So even though there are a multitude of reasons I should have my head examined, this isnt one of them. Anytime you change a delivery system you need to change your theory on physiological effect. And a high sensitivity to PG could be the issue, so yea try 100% VG as well, but the symptoms for this are dry mouth, sore throat, or an increase of thirst, not nausia and headache... Either way, my statement stands. I never assumed it was withdrawal just not ruling anything out without proper tests. Nicotine IMO is stil a very Viable candidate for the symptoms

 

[Bunnykiller]

And did you both continue to have those same symptoms without using any ejuice and smoking analogs instead? Even into the next day?

Yes yes, do read EVERYTHING, not just the part you want to talk about.


Nicotine only lasts in your system a few hours. If the nicotine was the problem then the OP should have felt fine within 2-3 hours of stopping using that ejuice.

Since you seem to be in the know, how long does PG stay in the system?

 

[3mg Meniere]

When I started vaping, I had severe dizziness and nausea. I talked to my Dr. and he thought it might be a problem with my inner ears (I already have a moderate to severe hearing loss), and recommended that I quit the nicotine altogether. I did, and the problem is no longer bothersome. Nicotine is a poison to the nerves in the inner ear, and some people are more susceptible than others.

However, I still have a bit of 6mg set aside to drip in emotional crises.

 

[SunnySC]

I am a three cigarette a day smoker. Yes just 3. I also got the headache when I tried 0 nic and 4 nic. and had to buy a pack of Marlboro Lights until I could order a higher dose. I got 12mg and that seemed much better, all have been 100% VG. Unfortunately I haven't fallen in love with any of the 12mg flavors, so I still use a 4mg and smoke 2 real cigs. I am not to a point where I can replace them. I have gotten past the headaches, though. I believe it was nicotine withdrawal. I have the same reaction when I don't get my coffee early enough in the morning. Anyway, it's definitely a process. Figuring out with flavor, what nic level, what contraption will be the ticket for quitting. It takes time, but I know it will be worth it.

 

[RawShark09]

I got like that when i used a 36mg nic content, i lowered to 24mg and its perfect, but that 36mg made my head spin, made me sick etc etc, if i were you i would just lower the nic content


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[Caridwen]

UUUUGGGHHH!!!

I wish people would pay attention to what the OP has said.

#1. OP smoked cigarettes and still has symptoms = CANNOT BE NICOTINE WITHDRAWL
#2. OP smokes regularly and got the headache and nausea with only 1-2 puffs from the ecig with a 12mg nic level = CANNOT BE NICOTINE OD



That only leaves two possible options left.

The OP is either extremely sensitive to PG or is allergic to something in the flavoring. Odds are it is the PG.



Anyone who thinks that a nearly PAD smoker is going to have a nicotine OD from just 2 puffs of 12mg nic juice should get their heads examined. My wife smoked a PAD of Marlboro Light 100s and had no trouble puffing all day with a 24mg juice. If anything, the OP doesn't have enough nicotine in the liquid. No way is it enough to cause headache and nausea in just 2 puffs. Even a non-smoker wouldn't have those symptoms with that little nicotine intake. That's less than you would get from 2 puffs of a real cigarette.

It can be nicotine withdraw. Studies were done on people new to vaping using mini's (not sure what the OP is using) and blood level showed zero nicotine.

People new to vaping are very inefficient at vaping- they may not be getting any/much nicotine at all.

Honestly, before the OP spend more money on a wild vaping goose chase- high nic, low nic, no PG- wait it out and see.

Read through the ECF library, particularly this-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/211345-new-users-nicotine-strength-questions.html

 

[BigCatDaddy]

I've got to ask...did you shake, shake, shake that juice before you did the first fill?? If not, you could have gotten a big dose of nic from the top of the bottle. Been there, done that!!

 

[mo2181]

I have another question for all of you that are responding. If it ends up that I am sensitive to PG (after testing 100%VG and being ok). What type of atomizer should I use? I have read that 100% VG juice is pretty thick and shouldnt be used with some atomizers..?? I currently have a Kanger Protank 2, Kanger mini protank 2 and a mini vivi nova (I bought the extra metal barrel to switch out the plastic one it comes with).

 

[mo2181]

I've got to ask...did you shake, shake, shake that juice before you did the first fill?? If not, you could have gotten a big dose of nic from the top of the bottle. Been there, done that!!

I actually did not.....uh oh....does the nic settle on the top of most ejuices?

 

[mo2181]

It can be nicotine withdraw. Studies were done on people new to vaping using mini's (not sure what the OP is using) and blood level showed zero nicotine.

People new to vaping are very inefficient at vaping- they may not be getting any/much nicotine at all.

Honestly, before the OP spend more money on a wild vaping goose chase- high nic, low nic, no PG- wait it out and see.

Read through the ECF library, particularly this-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ette-vs-e-cigarette-nicotine-equivalency.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/211345-new-users-nicotine-strength-questions.html

But I got the headache/nausea with the very 1st vape I took- plus I had cigs that morning before I started vaping. So I really dont think it is withdraw.