Health concerns regarding ecigs? I need clarification, BIG thanks to all for any help.
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These are two quotes from the article your link goes to.
"For their study, the researchers selected five leading brands of so-called first generation e-cigarettes, which are referred to as cig-a-likes because they resemble traditional cigarettes. (Newer ones look like small cassette recorders with a mouthpiece. In the newer devices the liquid is added from a dispenser prior to use. In contrast, the liquid in first generation e-cigs is stored in the cartridge together with the coil, which increases the liquid's exposure to the coil even in the absence of heating.)"
Note, they do not refer to the type of e cig we typically now use.
"The liquid is the component of e-cigarettes that, when heated, delivers ingredients, often including nicotine and flavors, to the user. In first generation e-cigarettes, the liquid is stored in the cartridge in close contact with the heating coil. The researchers found all five heavy metals -- which can be toxic or carcinogenic when inhaled -- in all five brands, though levels varied by brand. The main source of the metals, the researchers believe, is the coil that heats the liquid that creates the aerosol, which is often but erroneously referred to as vapor. The study did not look at the possible presence of metals in e-cigarette aerosol."
Second, they were measuring the presence of these metals in the liquid itself, not the inhaled aerosol we actually vape.
My comment to you is if these types of incomplete studies scare you off from vaping, that's a perfectly reasonable individual decision to make. Do consider the relative risk in any choice you make, and choose what in your opinion feel offers you the lowest risk for use. Good luck.
If you went to a shop and tested five brands of water and found them to be contaminated, would you ban water or prosecute the companies that were selling the contaminated water?
Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known carcinogenic compounds and 400 other toxins including carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic and DDT.
Even if the juice I was using was contaminated with metal (I make my own so I can assure it does not), I would still gladly choose that over cigarettes, the cocktail of poisons in them and the slow death that their use is known to cause.
Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known carcinogenic compounds and 400 other toxins including carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic and DDT.
Even if the juice I was using was contaminated with metal (I make my own so I can assure it does not), I would still gladly choose that over cigarettes, the cocktail of poisons in them and the slow death that their use is known to cause.
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I am just surprised that anyone with any fear would ever smoke cigarettes knowing what we have all known for years! Health effects of tobacco - Wikipedia
A Disturbing List of Toxic Chemicals in Cigarettes
But yet you are not scared enough of all of this evidence to quit smoking?
No one here has said that ecigs are 100% safe! But ecig studies have shown that ecigs are 95% safer than cigarettes. I think they only way for 100% safe would be cold turkey or try the nicotine gum!
Ecigs are not always the complete magic wand- Bam you instantly stop wanting cigarettes at least it wasn't for me! I stepped down for two weeks- set a quit date and stuck to it! Did I want a cigarette? Yes, but I did not give in- I just vaped more and day by day that cigarette urge faded- I made them work with will power too! I have gone from 24nic down to 3nic!
I use ecigs as a way to quit smoking cigarettes because I did my research and made that choice for me and what I read about ecigs was no where near as dangerous as to continue smoking cigarettes!
You have to make your own choice- I was just sick of the cost, smell and toll on my health and the people around me to keep smoking cigarettes! I was sick of the control they had over my life, there wasn't a day that was not planned around my cigarettes! I just wanted off the Merry-go-round and I found ecigs were my brass ring!
Best of luck to you on whatever you decide!
A Disturbing List of Toxic Chemicals in Cigarettes
But yet you are not scared enough of all of this evidence to quit smoking?
No one here has said that ecigs are 100% safe! But ecig studies have shown that ecigs are 95% safer than cigarettes. I think they only way for 100% safe would be cold turkey or try the nicotine gum!
Ecigs are not always the complete magic wand- Bam you instantly stop wanting cigarettes at least it wasn't for me! I stepped down for two weeks- set a quit date and stuck to it! Did I want a cigarette? Yes, but I did not give in- I just vaped more and day by day that cigarette urge faded- I made them work with will power too! I have gone from 24nic down to 3nic!
I use ecigs as a way to quit smoking cigarettes because I did my research and made that choice for me and what I read about ecigs was no where near as dangerous as to continue smoking cigarettes!
You have to make your own choice- I was just sick of the cost, smell and toll on my health and the people around me to keep smoking cigarettes! I was sick of the control they had over my life, there wasn't a day that was not planned around my cigarettes! I just wanted off the Merry-go-round and I found ecigs were my brass ring!
Best of luck to you on whatever you decide!
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Your friend is dead wrong, and giving you the worst advice ever. Here's the facts on that flawed study showing very high levels of formaldehyde:
Vaping Emits Less Formaldehyde than Previously Thought - Motherboard
I quite smoking over two years ago when I started vaping, its' the best thing I've every done for my health. I don't wake up coughing anymore! Cigarettes are orders of magnitude worse than vaping, and my lungs have proven that.
Those weren't high quality devices, and the dangers of the results are exaggerated.
Toxic Metals in E-Cigarette Vapor? | Vaping Cheap
And finally, research in the UK is much more advanced than that in the US, with
You are wise to read the actual studies when you can find them, the findings often are exagerated compared to the actual data. And if they don't provide comparisons to cigarettes, thats a real red flag. Make sure you look at who funded the studies - anti-smoking anti-vaping organizations, and even big tobacco has funded some of these studies. One researcher I trust is doctor Farsalinos
E-cigarette Research
Recommended reading for e-cigarette studies:
9 Research Studies That Will Silence The Vape Haters
Research in the UK is more advanced than that of US researchers, who often abuse the vaping devices in their testing without knowledge of how they are actually used
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170207104358.htm
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Thank you all for your replies and links.
It seems there are more pros than cons in regards to vaping. The help and knowledge you have provided me has made me make the decision to convert back to vaping and stop being a slave to conventional cigarrettes.
Once again thank you all for your help.
I just have a quick question, my ecig is a joyetech ego aio it makes a crackling noise when used, is this normal? And are there any brands that don't make crackling noises? The crackling noise makes my husband nuts, and then I get the negative comments from him.
BIG thanks to all, torba
It seems there are more pros than cons in regards to vaping. The help and knowledge you have provided me has made me make the decision to convert back to vaping and stop being a slave to conventional cigarrettes.
Once again thank you all for your help.
I just have a quick question, my ecig is a joyetech ego aio it makes a crackling noise when used, is this normal? And are there any brands that don't make crackling noises? The crackling noise makes my husband nuts, and then I get the negative comments from him.
BIG thanks to all, torba
Sorry most do have some sort of noise with them. Try turning the watts down a little to see if you can reduce the noise. Also depends on the amount of pg in your ejuice. Vg is a little thicker and smoother. Try a combo of the two pg and vg that might also help.
I don't think you can adjust the wattage on a AIO- the crackling noise is normal, it is the coil heating the liquid.Hubby has to take a patience lesson and be supportive of your vaping or this won't work! You are quitting cigarettes, he should love that sound-LOL! Saving money and your health and you ,your house and car will smell better!
Look in the garbage can and ash trays of all your wasted money from cigarettes!
Did you buy the AIO in a Vape shop or online?
I used the Joyetech eCabs when I quit smoking cigs- no noise with those!
I used the Innokin iTaste vv/vw with Kanger Evod2 glass tanks - no noise!
I read people like the Juul, and the iCare
the iCarehttps://www.eleafus.com/e-cigarette/icare-series.html
Maybe stop in a vape shop to look at devices!
I am glad that you are giving vaping a try!
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I smoked for 42 years. When I got into vaping four years ago I did not think it was like taking vitamins. Putting anything in your lungs cant be good. But I do know for sure the health benefits of vaping. Last ten years of smoking I played hockey one time a week and always talked about retiring because it was to hard on my body. Now I play three or four times a week and having more fun playing than I have in 50 years. No one will ever convince me vaping is not safer than smoking. CHEERS!
Hi,
I bought my joyetech in a vape shop, at the time it was the only one that resembled a cigarette plus I didn't want to purchase the disposable ones. I will have a try to find the joetech ecabs you suggested. Thanks heaps for all your help, torba
I bought my joyetech in a vape shop, at the time it was the only one that resembled a cigarette plus I didn't want to purchase the disposable ones. I will have a try to find the joetech ecabs you suggested. Thanks heaps for all your help, torba
They are getting hard to find- old school
JoyeTech eCab Starter Kit
You should buy at least 2 of these kits as the battery life is pretty bad and a couple 5 packs of the coils- but I used these kits for many months, about 4- 6 months- then started moving into mods and tanks!
These kits are not expensive and do work, use higher pg liquid, and higher nic- they are not sub ohm like the AIO- small cigarette sized and do not make noise.
There are some You Tube videos on these and suggest you watch them to see if these could work for you!
The ecabs look very nice, I will search around for them, hopefully they will still have them somewhere. HUGE thanks, torba
He's just plain wrong. Maybe read one or more of the "scare" articles that come out on a pretty regular basis because, well, because "news" likes to run a scary headline.
Most of what you mention stems from ONE really really stupid test that was done - taking a crappy kind of "clearomizer" on an old "pen" style vape - and cranking it up beyond the voltage ANYONE WOULD EVER use - because it scorched/burned, and no one in their right mind would intentionally take a puff of that. Then they tested that nasty gas and said "vapor has bad stuff in it".
Pure bull.
There are a ton of other tests - including others funded by anti-vaping sources (cig companies, pharmaceutical companies). You have to read to see WHO did the test, and if the test made any sense.
Look here on ECF, and you can find a bunch of countering arguments and evidence.
And decide if it's worth trying to educate your friend or not.
But really - you already KNOW it's better for you from how you feel, right?
Good luck staying off cigs - I hit 4 years this week - and it was really easy (not for everyone, but for me it was).
Most of what you mention stems from ONE really really stupid test that was done - taking a crappy kind of "clearomizer" on an old "pen" style vape - and cranking it up beyond the voltage ANYONE WOULD EVER use - because it scorched/burned, and no one in their right mind would intentionally take a puff of that. Then they tested that nasty gas and said "vapor has bad stuff in it".
Pure bull.
There are a ton of other tests - including others funded by anti-vaping sources (cig companies, pharmaceutical companies). You have to read to see WHO did the test, and if the test made any sense.
Look here on ECF, and you can find a bunch of countering arguments and evidence.
And decide if it's worth trying to educate your friend or not.
But really - you already KNOW it's better for you from how you feel, right?
Good luck staying off cigs - I hit 4 years this week - and it was really easy (not for everyone, but for me it was).
I started out with a Joyetech Ego AOI and had to use the 1.0 ohm coils to use it without coughing. I believe there is also a 1.5 ohm option for the cubis coils. As far as the crackle noise of liquid heating up, I think that's just the nature of the beast. I'll take a little crackle over the stench of a burning cigarette.
Torba,
As everyone else in this forum I've done some research... OK not as profound and comprehensive but I'm still on that task. I have concluded that according to several studies and opinions vaping seems to be less harmful / dangerous than smoking, but studies apart I really believe it works, not because I've read it but because I'm living it.
Today I don't really care if some health fanatic tells me that vaping is harmful. Most of the things we do every day have a certain risk level. Life has to have its pleasures, I really liked to smoke (most of the time), it just happens that I found what I understand, believe and hope its a much better way for my habit.
Regarding the crakling noise. I'm sorry if this sounds rude but, I wonder if such noise is as bad as smelling like an ashtray. I've just asked my wife (she has never smoked) and she has no problem with the noise and loves that her hubby (thats me) is not a walking ash-zombie.
In my case I started building coils soon because I found that vaping was also a hobby and I wanted to get a really good experience to keep me away from cigarettes. I'm mostly using a Kayfun 5 and I don't know if its normal but it is really, really quiet. The kabuki and the nautilus X are certainly noisier but I use them also.
Anyway, if your e-cig is noisy lets make some noise while we vape, just to let other people know we are here, vaping!
As everyone else in this forum I've done some research... OK not as profound and comprehensive but I'm still on that task. I have concluded that according to several studies and opinions vaping seems to be less harmful / dangerous than smoking, but studies apart I really believe it works, not because I've read it but because I'm living it.
Today I don't really care if some health fanatic tells me that vaping is harmful. Most of the things we do every day have a certain risk level. Life has to have its pleasures, I really liked to smoke (most of the time), it just happens that I found what I understand, believe and hope its a much better way for my habit.
Regarding the crakling noise. I'm sorry if this sounds rude but, I wonder if such noise is as bad as smelling like an ashtray. I've just asked my wife (she has never smoked) and she has no problem with the noise and loves that her hubby (thats me
) is not a walking ash-zombie.In my case I started building coils soon because I found that vaping was also a hobby and I wanted to get a really good experience to keep me away from cigarettes. I'm mostly using a Kayfun 5 and I don't know if its normal but it is really, really quiet. The kabuki and the nautilus X are certainly noisier but I use them also.
Anyway, if your e-cig is noisy lets make some noise while we vape, just to let other people know we are here, vaping!
There are quieter tanks (set ups) if you want them.
Just for info; I've been watching a video from a conference about e-cigarettes.
The 3rd generation atomizer heads (like AIO, Nautilus, Subtank etc) are coming out far better (in terms of unwanted aerosol components) than the 2nd generation which were prone to dry hits at lower power.
"People need to stop using CE4s" was even mentioned at one point.
2/21/17 - Welcome : Health and Medicine Division
As @Train2 said,
"Most of what you mention stems from ONE really really stupid test that was done - taking a crappy kind of "clearomizer" on an old "pen" style vape - and cranking it up beyond the voltage ANYONE WOULD EVER use - because it scorched/burned, and no one in their right mind would intentionally take a puff of that. Then they tested that nasty gas and said "vapor has bad stuff in it"."
Just for info; I've been watching a video from a conference about e-cigarettes.
The 3rd generation atomizer heads (like AIO, Nautilus, Subtank etc) are coming out far better (in terms of unwanted aerosol components) than the 2nd generation which were prone to dry hits at lower power.
"People need to stop using CE4s" was even mentioned at one point.
2/21/17 - Welcome : Health and Medicine Division
As @Train2 said,
"Most of what you mention stems from ONE really really stupid test that was done - taking a crappy kind of "clearomizer" on an old "pen" style vape - and cranking it up beyond the voltage ANYONE WOULD EVER use - because it scorched/burned, and no one in their right mind would intentionally take a puff of that. Then they tested that nasty gas and said "vapor has bad stuff in it"."
Welcome and glad you joined. No reason I know of not to quit smoking, go for it.
Crossposting because its important...
OK, Evolv finally published this data publicly now about the spike of formaldehyde and Acetaldehyde spiking like a sky rocket very quickly, double what is found in a cigarette, starting around 470F-480F.
Temperature Control is IMPORTANT folks!
Start about 6 minutes in:
OK, Evolv finally published this data publicly now about the spike of formaldehyde and Acetaldehyde spiking like a sky rocket very quickly, double what is found in a cigarette, starting around 470F-480F.
Temperature Control is IMPORTANT folks!
Start about 6 minutes in:
it's already known that certain vaping conditions might produce chemicals that shouldd be avoided. The early tests were so flawed they didn't prove anything, including that there might still be some conditions that should be avoided. Ah, so trouble might start at 470 degrees coil temp? So i fall back on my own sitution. I've been using temp control for 18 months. My settings are 30 max watts and 400 max degrees firing a 1.3 ohm stainless coil. If this news literally means trouble above 470 and no trouble below then I'm okay, right? But the problem is this "news" only raises questions, doesn't translate into useful guidance. This news also comes from someone with temp control products to sell. That someone is a person I'm inclined too trust but the vague indications in the video don't have me feeling alarm, only feeling i'd like more details. It wouldn't surprise me if there are temperatures highs that are best avoided and it's good news if we are finding out what those might be.
Here is some guidance, may be. Arctic fox firmwarer runs on a bunch of devices including pico and vtc mini. it will display peak temperature of the last puff in TC mode. If you normally vape in power mode on one of the compatible devices and want to know the coil temps you are running then do a stainless build and when it's behaving as you want in power mode switch to temp control mode, set temp limit to 600 degrees and see what temps are reported for each puff. may be you're never getting to 470 in power mode but if you are then may be you want more information about these new temperature findings.
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