health risks associated with snuff?

[W Axl Rose]

Ok, lay it on me, what are they? Also, how risky is it compared to swedish snus, stonewalls, cigs, etc.
I did look through old threads but I could not find any info. I hate to google it because...well, it might scare me and the flavors look yummy and I want to try it. I'd like to know the honest risks, not the google terror fest that I find whenever I do a google search on anything.
Thanks in advance, veteran snuff users!

 

[slybootz]

over 500 years of use, and relatively no health risks, from what i understand. while no tobacco product can be 100% safe, snuff is 98% safer than cigarettes, and, at least in my opinion, a little safer than snus and other oral tobaccos. while snus, too, is MUCH safer than cigarettes, snus has been caused receding gum lines in some users.

i'm sure the veterans, such as TB, can provide more insight on this topic.

i know that e-cig + snuff, and a snus from time to time keeps me away from smoking

 

[W Axl Rose]

Well...I ordered some. Boy you can get alot for a little $$!! I think smokers should be told about this stuff

 

[slybootz]

Well...I ordered some. Boy you can get alot for a little $$!! I think smokers should be told about this stuff

definitely! basically a year's supply of snuff is the same cost as less than a carton of cigarettes... $70+ for a carton of smokes in the city of chicago, at least $50 in the subarbs...

snuff is saving me so much money...

and i haven't been wasting money on PVs and accessories either!

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I agree. I need the max maoi action and I can't toot enough snuff, but it's a great boost for me. I'm hardcore snus these days, with a little snuff as a side-order. Many smokers have quit with snuff alone, though. It's cheap and there seems to be an endless variety of flavors and nic strengths. The only downside is to resist the temptation to lip it. That can cause some problems. Other than that I say go for it .

 

[Evista]

Is this stuff glum friendly?

 

[The Wiz]

Is this stuff glum friendly?

Evista....I'm assuming you meant "Gum Friendly"?....Some snuffs can be taken under the lip(Generally Scotches/Sweets),Not my cup of tea though....much better in the nose!

The Wiz!

 

[slybootz]

Evista....I'm assuming you meant "Gum Friendly"?....Some snuffs can be taken under the lip(Generally Scotches/Sweets),Not my cup of tea though....much better in the nose!

The Wiz!

Good info, i do have quite a bit of scotches and sweet snuffs... maybe i'll try a lip from some of my 1.15oz tubs(although I probably will prefer them in my nose!) If I still smoked my tobacco pipe, I might even try this:

Many pipe smokers have also taken to the old English act of adding a sprinkle of their favorite snuff into their burning bowl of pipe tobacco for an added aroma, taste, and nicotine boost.

From the Sheffield Exchange website(wilsons, fribourg)
Nasal Snuff

 

[The Wiz]

Good info, i do have quite a bit of scotches and sweet snuffs... maybe i'll try a lip from some of my 1.15oz tubs(although I probably will prefer them in my nose!) If I still smoked my tobacco pipe, I might even try this:



From the Sheffield Exchange website(wilsons, fribourg)
Nasal Snuff

Sly....Just ask OTD about his experience with Honey Bee under the lip....On second thought don't ask him...It will bring back his "Tummy Ache"(He did post his comments somewhere in this general area!)

The Wiz!(Thanks for the Link also!)

 

[slybootz]

Sly....Just ask OTD about his experience with Honey Bee under the lip....On second thought don't ask him...It will bring back his "Tummy Ache"(He did post his comments somewhere in this general area!)

The Wiz!(Thanks for the Link also!)

Good to know! I never enjoy a tummy-ache....

But next time some of my pipe-tobacco smoking friends come over, i might try a sprinkle of snuff on top of the pipe!

I don't know if TB is checking this thread, but if anyone has tried this yet I bet it's been TB! Curious to know how well it works, and how well the flavor comes through. I did gave up the pipe awhile ago, and only got into the milder aromatic tobaccos, but I might go back to it for a 'relaxer' from time-to-time.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I don't know if TB is checking this thread, but if anyone has tried this yet I bet it's been TB!

I've never seen him post anything regarding it, but it's hard to imagine that he hasn't tried. He really is the ultimate mover and shaker of the tobacco world .

 

[slybootz]

I've never seen him post anything regarding it, but it's hard to imagine that he hasn't tried. He really is the ultimate mover and shaker of the tobacco world .

Well, I gave it a shot this evening, but unfortunately my only pipe tobacco on hand was a cheap-aromatic-vanilla-bargain-brand tobacco and my briar wood pipe. Using this tobacco, I sprinkled a bit of WoS Apricot on top, but vanilla-apricot is probably not the best mix. I can't really say that I noticed a better nicotine kick, and I didn't notice much of a flavor change(probably the apricot not mixing very well with vanilla). It did make the pipe much more difficult to finally get burning smoothly...

I'll probably give this another attempt next time my pipe-smoking friends are visiting, and use some of their better quality and fresher tobacco, and put some thought into what snuff to mix with it...lol...I was too eager to try it this time

 

[Eclectic]

I have blogged quite a bit about the health aspects of snuff. Frankly there is very little literature and not a whole lot of science on teh subject, but it appears from the little research that has been done, and certainly anecdotally, that it causes little if any harm to your health. If you are interested, see here: mrsnuff.com/ACSH and here: mrsnuff.com/_blog/Mr_Snuff_Blog. There's more in the quit smoking section. You can root around all the links.

Hope that helps,

Dave

 

[W Axl Rose]

Thanks Elexig! I was wondering if anyone would answer! I was a little disturbed when I read the TSNA count in snuff. 1200????? REally?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I was waiting for someone who might know something to chime in, too . The Bruton referred to is an American scotch snuff and a mean one at that. That I can understand, the scotches and toasts are the volatile ones of the snuff world, but I'm not too clear on 1200ppm in relation to how bad it may be since snuff is consumed in such tiny amounts. I haven't seen the first study, but all I have seen in regard to reduced harm is that in over 250 years of snuff use only 1 case of oral cancer has been linked to it...and that one was questionable.
Another thing I'm not clear on is the numbers for cigarettes. The only reason I see for such a low number is that it's the ppm in tobacco itself and doesn't take into account the burning of it. Nothing scientific, just my thoughts .

 

[W Axl Rose]

Oral snuff? I was under the impression that snuff is the stuff you sniff up your nose?? What is oral snuff? Not the same as snus, right?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Oral snuff? I was under the impression that snuff is the stuff you sniff up your nose?? What is oral snuff? Not the same as snus, right?

It can be confusing. This is where the experts come in....

Basically, oral snuff is used to refer to dip/chew.

Nasal snuff is for the nose, but some prefer to put in the lip like dip.

Snus is spitless that typically goes between the upper lip and gum.

Those are the general catagories, but it is a grey world.

Some American oral snuff is referred to as snus.

The Swedish interchange the words snus and snuff when referring to snus.

Like I say, we need an expert to lay it out. Hope one stops by .

 

[W Axl Rose]

I've googled nasal snuff and tsna's every way possible, WHY can I not find any info on that?????????

 

[dgriego]

I was waiting for someone who might know something to chime in, too . The Bruton referred to is an American scotch snuff and a mean one at that. That I can understand, the scotches and toasts are the volatile ones of the snuff world, but I'm not too clear on 1200ppm in relation to how bad it may be since snuff is consumed in such tiny amounts. I haven't seen the first study, but all I have seen in regard to reduced harm is that in over 250 years of snuff use only 1 case of oral cancer has been linked to it...and that one was questionable.
Another thing I'm not clear on is the numbers for cigarettes. The only reason I see for such a low number is that it's the ppm in tobacco itself and doesn't take into account the burning of it. Nothing scientific, just my thoughts .

These two were retested and here are the levels taken from the second test. Looks like someone screwed up.



Red Seal: NNN-3.7; NNK-0.8; NAT-1.3; NAB-0.2; Total TSNAs-6.0 Bruton: NNN-5.6; NNK-2.2; NAT-1.9; NAB-0.3; Total TSNAs-10.0]


here is the link to the chart
http://cro.sagepub.com/cgi/content/full/15/5/252/T2

at the bottom is another link that takes you to the report, this is where they show that the two above snuffs were retested.

 

[dgriego]

I would also add that I truly wish I had known about snuff years ago. I enjoy it more than smoking. I could have laid down the smokes years ago had I only known about snuff.