Congrats on your decision to switch. I have recommened the volt to a few coworkers. Two got theirs last week and are enjoying it fully! Good luck in your liquid adventures 
Hello fellow Canadians - a newbie report here...
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Oh, I had momentary thoughts of cigarettes -- I think that no matter how well E-cigs work for any given individual, you've usually smoked for so long that it's impossible not to have even small cravings. I loved vaping right from the start, but I'd think about my analogs. Until I had one a week in (something a lot of us do, even if just out of curiosity) I'd periodically wonder if it wasn't still as good as I remember, make me feel as good. Not that E-cigs didn't, but ... you know. Thankfully after that end-of-first-week cig, I learned that no, they aren't as good as I remember. They're not good at all. In fact, they're horrible, and that just made me love vaping that much more.
For some reason I've really taken a big-time shine to mint chocolate. It'd been my all-day vape for a while now, even though I do change it up with something else periodically and for short periods, but I always come back to my choco-mint.
Yeah, you definitely don't want to be perceived as one of those people, but I try and approach it form either a "Holy crap, you've gotta try this" standpoint, or a "Hey, check this out, see what you think" approach, depending on how I think they'd react to either one.
Yeah, this is the approach they're taking -- which pretty much mirrors the situation with the FDA in the US not long ago. Fortunately that did happen, and despite the FDA's attempts to play the "OMG CARCINOGENS (but only a little, heh)" card, things all worked out. We're about a year behind that, but we do have at least one vendor in Quebec who has paid to have their juices tested and submitted the results to the FDA, and there is a coalition of vendors working together to come up with what will hopefully be acceptable standards and regulation that will be submitted to HC. It's all in the works, and hopefully it will be enough.
Yeah, but it's all about standards and regulation. HC wants to have E-cigs regulated as drug delivery devices (just like the FDA tried) so that it falls under their jurisdiction and thus can be tightly controlled. That's where the fight currently lies. This isn't about health, at least not directly. It's about control. And marginally about standards, but mostly control.
You can be sure however that even if vendors manage to win the battle, this stuff will be taxed. Maybe not necessarily the hardware, but nic-based juices will. It could be left up to individual provinces if they want to subsidize the use of E-cigs as a health initiative, but at a federal level, you can bet there are going to be beady eyes on a means to a revenue stream from this. They have to make up for tax revenue lost from ex-smokers somehow, after all...
If, by any chance, you do happen to find one however, please do share. I love me some coffee (though I'm hardly a gourmand in that regard) but have yet to find a truly good coffee vape. I mean, if I knew the actual process involved in extracting coffee essence from grounds, I'd so do it. I tried steeping coffee in PG for a few days and then filtering the result through a coffee filter, but that was a disaster. What came out tasted nothing like coffee.
Yeah ... that would definitely be a no.
The problem with extracting coffee flavour is that most of the flavour is carried in the oil, and obviously, oil is not a good thing to vape. I don't know if using an emulsifier helps, but I strongly suspect that would just make matters worse. I know TPA's dark coffee flavour (not "Coffee Clear," that stuff is vile) has real coffee essence in it, so there's obviously a way to do it. I just don't know how.
I have mixed up a pretty good coffee vape from TPA coffee flavour and some chocolate. I have even found some coffee grounds in the TPA flavour.
The problem with coffee is that it's quite impossible by current technological food science standards to replicate. Here's why
- roasted coffee is the most complex food item in the world. There are over 1300 identified chemical components in a roasted coffee bean, and over 800 of those components contribute to taste and aroma. Literally hundreds and hundreds of these components interact with each other in the brewing process to further complicate things. And also many of the components are affected by aging, exposure to oxygen, etc. By comparison, the second most complex food item in the world is red wine, with approximately 400 individual chemical components.
- coffee is time sensitive. This is mainly because of the role of C02 in coffee as a transporter of flavours and aromas. Non-soluble oils, lipids, fats in the coffee bean are carried into the cup (and into the air around us) primarily by C02. Problem is, the coffee bean is constantly "exhaling" its store of C02. When you grind for espresso, approximately 80% of the stored C02 in the coffee bean evacuates from said bean in about 90 seconds. For coarser grinds (drip, press), the process takes longer but is measured in minutes.
- brews are time sensitive. The primary flavour components of coffee are carried through non-disolved solids (hardy), oils (can boil below or above water boiling temps, and go through phase changes affecting flavour), lipids (delicate) and other fats (similar to oils). All of these change, degrade, lose their potency relatively quickly. Because of this, it is literally impossible to create an extract or reduction of coffee essence that is anything close to the original state brew.
I could go on, but I'm just going to be geeking out more. Suffice to say, it is pretty much impossible to create a proper coffee extract that will taste anything close to the original brew, and science cannot replicate accurately the true taste of coffee. The most common substitute is a melange of vanilla, caramel, bread (yeasty) and hickory essences that are reminiscent of coffee. You'll find these in any coffee-flavoured candies (including Coffee Crisp candy bars).
Mark, who's tried for years to do a coffee bitters for cocktail making.
I love it when you get all coffee geeky. 
I'm a coffee addict too and always looking for that perfect blend and roast of beans, as well as the perfect cup of coffee. A perfect vape with the perfect coffee, is heaven.
I'm a coffee addict too and always looking for that perfect blend and roast of beans, as well as the perfect cup of coffee. A perfect vape with the perfect coffee, is heaven.
Welcome Ilikecoffee,
I hope hope your partner Will be as happy as mine. 30 days without any analog today and without any difficulty at all.
I am sure you Will help us finding the best mix for a good vape of coffee soon. I am starting DIY, and i guess you Will too...
I hope hope your partner Will be as happy as mine. 30 days without any analog today and without any difficulty at all.
I am sure you Will help us finding the best mix for a good vape of coffee soon. I am starting DIY, and i guess you Will too...
Hi Mark! Welcome to the vaping community (I know....I'm a little late).
Great intro and I love reading your talk on the coffee stuff. A buddy of mine that was from Halifax (since moved back there) use to call us west coast people coffee swilling granola eating hippies and I took that as a compliment
About a month after dropping the analogs I walked into the kitchen one morning and got a smell of something and I couldn't figure out what it was for a few seconds until I realized I was smelling freshly brewing coffee with cleaner lungs and a real sense of smell. WOW was that nice!
Great intro and I love reading your talk on the coffee stuff. A buddy of mine that was from Halifax (since moved back there) use to call us west coast people coffee swilling granola eating hippies and I took that as a compliment
About a month after dropping the analogs I walked into the kitchen one morning and got a smell of something and I couldn't figure out what it was for a few seconds until I realized I was smelling freshly brewing coffee with cleaner lungs and a real sense of smell. WOW was that nice!
That's definitely more than I ever knew about coffee, the previous extent of which was limited to knowing that the best coffee is the one as freshly ground as possible and that its freshness degrades rapidly once you do. But thank you for the information; it certainly explains why it's so difficult to make any sort of realistic coffee flavour. Interesting about the mélange of other flavours used to simulate a coffee-esque flavour though. I wonder what the proportions are? All of those flavours are available in a vape, so it might be interesting to try and make a coffee-ish (or even a Coffee Crisp) vape using that method. I do like me some Coffee Crisp, and already have vanilla, caramel and chocolate in my flavour arsenal.
Congrats on the month! Took me longer than many who enter that arena but I recently got into DIY too, and am having loads of fun with it. Although perhaps one of the cooler aspects of DIY is that if I'm getting a friend or relative to switch from analogs to E-cigs, I can make them some juice samples dirt cheap.
The bread Flavour you mentioned may become a important key element to cracking the illusive Coffee Vape many have been searching for. There is Bread and Soda cracker type flavours available for the DIY. Any ghostly flavour tones to help build up a simulated Coffee flavour for vaping is much welcomed knowlege.
Welcome to the Forums, I must go make a coffee..
I can't read this thread in the morning anymore.... Time to go pour a cup of coffee
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