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@Letitia @stols001 @HazyShades @Baditude @tailland
Sunday, midnight and I think I am kinda done with burning holes in my wallet!!
Ordered the intake and ammit 25.
And I ordered the asmodus reborn for 4.3K and an Atlantis 2 tank.
Also ordered an extra pair of batteries, some cotton bacon, coil master v3 diy, a1 kanthal.
All done and dusted and all ordered locally and now I’m poor
But I’m also happy
I just have a few operational questions about mods and RTAs in general as this is my first foray in to this territory, please do bear with me a bit more
To all ye helpful souls
Sunday, midnight and I think I am kinda done with burning holes in my wallet!!
Ordered the intake and ammit 25.
And I ordered the asmodus reborn for 4.3K and an Atlantis 2 tank.
Also ordered an extra pair of batteries, some cotton bacon, coil master v3 diy, a1 kanthal.
All done and dusted and all ordered locally and now I’m poor
But I’m also happy
I just have a few operational questions about mods and RTAs in general as this is my first foray in to this territory, please do bear with me a bit more
To all ye helpful souls
What gauge kanthal did you get?@Letitia @stols001 @HazyShades @Baditude @tailland
Sunday, midnight and I think I am kinda done with burning holes in my wallet!!
Ordered the intake and ammit 25.
And I ordered the asmodus reborn for 4.3K and an Atlantis 2 tank.
Also ordered an extra pair of batteries, some cotton bacon, coil master v3 diy, a1 kanthal.
All done and dusted and all ordered locally and now I’m poor
But I’m also happy
I just have a few operational questions about mods and RTAs in general as this is my first foray in to this territory, please do bear with me a bit more
To all ye helpful souls
I don't like cotton bacon but it works fine. I prefer KGD but use rayon for a few of my sweeter juices.
But rayon works better.
I've been using nothing but rayon (unless I run out of it) ever since @Rat2chat2 was kind enough to send me some of her rayon stash.
@Letitia
26ga. It was as per @Baditude ’s suggestion considering my experience or lack thereof!
@HazyShades
Didn’t know about rayon and I don’t think I stumbled upon it at the local vendors during all my browsing. Will bear that in mind!
Fiber freaks original no 2 was also suggested by a number of local builders ( I mean on the local Indian forums)
26ga. It was as per @Baditude ’s suggestion considering my experience or lack thereof!
@HazyShades
Didn’t know about rayon and I don’t think I stumbled upon it at the local vendors during all my browsing. Will bear that in mind!
Fiber freaks original no 2 was also suggested by a number of local builders ( I mean on the local Indian forums)
Was really hoping you would post 26g, perfect! Soon as it all comes you'll be set for years (other than new batteries and wick every couple of years).
Rayon does work, but so do many other wicking materials. KGD or COTN threads are great; just use rayon for alien or anything with more than 3 core wires or over 95vg.
Well, start with using what you ordered, you may just find it to be great. I personally prefer rayon, but I really didn't wick a lot with cotton before switching. The good news is, if you find cotton difficult, rayon's usually easy to obtain, not to mention inexpensive. I prefer it in most ways, including the fact that it lasts longer, can withstand higher heat, and is just all around easier by playing to my strengths, which is my desire to overwick everything. Rayon shrinks and cotton swells, so there are some differences in wicking materials but also plenty of fine materials out there to try.
Should you ever need to get around to it, here is the rayon thread. But you may do fine and just never need it, too.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/rayon-wick-better-flow-flavor-longevity-and-nic-hit-pt-2.706948/page-152
Anna
Should you ever need to get around to it, here is the rayon thread. But you may do fine and just never need it, too.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/rayon-wick-better-flow-flavor-longevity-and-nic-hit-pt-2.706948/page-152
Anna
Greetings Ananth. I agree with Bad, etc; about .26 gauge but think you should a buy a roll of .28 too.
Vendors prefer to sell bacon and other fibers that come in little packets and cost a lot.
Some folks prefer cotton, some rayon, some hemp, ETC.,
and will argue that each imparts a subtle taste to the vape.
You can get rayon at ebay..(I noticed that ebay India no longer accepts orders)
Amazon, and any beauty supply vendor.
Make sure they're 100% rayon fibers.
@HazyShades
Found it on amazon, https://www.amazon.in/Graham-Cellucotton-Beauty-Rayon-Fibers/dp/B00PBGJT5A
Will get around to using it too to compare and contrast once I get a little fluent in the art of "independent vaping"!!!
And would you believe it if I told you that all 28g A1 kanthal is out of stock, will get a spool once I see someone selling it !
@stols001
Thanks, will use the thread of future reference
@Letitia
Hope that is the case indeed, that this whole investment should last me for years. Actually I have managed to stock up some liquid too, almost close to a litre. So 5ml everyday (on average) should last me for 200 days. Hopefully things clear up by then and things get a little easier out here
Found it on amazon, https://www.amazon.in/Graham-Cellucotton-Beauty-Rayon-Fibers/dp/B00PBGJT5A
Will get around to using it too to compare and contrast once I get a little fluent in the art of "independent vaping"!!!
And would you believe it if I told you that all 28g A1 kanthal is out of stock, will get a spool once I see someone selling it !
@stols001
Thanks, will use the thread of future reference
@Letitia
Hope that is the case indeed, that this whole investment should last me for years. Actually I have managed to stock up some liquid too, almost close to a litre. So 5ml everyday (on average) should last me for 200 days. Hopefully things clear up by then and things get a little easier out here
Good to hear. I wouldn't worry about buying anything else until you get a feel for what you already have incoming.
@HazyShades @Letitia @stols001 @Baditude @tailland
Hello all. I would like to take this opportunity to once again thank all you folks for all the amazing help you have rendered unto a noob. It is most appreciated and I am so grateful for getting this far thanks to you people.
Now for my operation questions. Given that I am entirely new to mods themselves, leave alone RTAs and coil building etc etc, I would like to get some basic understanding confirmed by you experts. So pardon any glaringly noobish questions/points
Mods:
In my head, other than knowing how to operate the mod in terms of tanks and batteries, the only thing to bear in mind I suppose is the resistance of the coil that is being used so that I can determine the wattage that I should set. So if the range of the coil is 50-70W, then I guess 50 would yield a cooler vape (with lesser juice consumption) and vice versa at 70. So it is up to me to experiment within the supported range to arrive at a value that I am happy vaping at
Correct?
RTAs:
This is where I guess I need a little more help.
As far as building coils go, there are enough and more coil master DIY videos and I guess there are always YT videos with RTA builds to get enough and more hints from. Where I need some help is the resistance to aim for.
I know that depending on the gauge, dia, resistance the steam engine calculator provides the number of wraps that I should build the coil with. But what I am not clear about is how do I go about deciding the resistance I want to aim for. Given that all the RTA tanks are DL, I guess I know I go sub ohm but that range is so varied. One thing I thought was I can work backwards from the watts I want to use the mod at which can determine resistance and hence coils but is that the way to go. Or is it purely preferential and it is more like I want juice efficiency so I choose 0.8 or I want tons of vapor so I go with 0.1? I guess what I am asking is the starting point on how to decide on what I am building towards.
Hope this question is not too dumb
Items are arriving one by one.
My plan is to use the Cylon with the Atlantis tank for now as my primary device with the pro C and Cacade playing my back up.
Side by side, I intend to use the reborn to fire my Intake or Ammit so that I get started on the RTA road and get to experimenting.
If you have any other suggestions or opinions please do let me know
Peace
Hello all. I would like to take this opportunity to once again thank all you folks for all the amazing help you have rendered unto a noob. It is most appreciated and I am so grateful for getting this far thanks to you people.
Now for my operation questions. Given that I am entirely new to mods themselves, leave alone RTAs and coil building etc etc, I would like to get some basic understanding confirmed by you experts. So pardon any glaringly noobish questions/points
Mods:
In my head, other than knowing how to operate the mod in terms of tanks and batteries, the only thing to bear in mind I suppose is the resistance of the coil that is being used so that I can determine the wattage that I should set. So if the range of the coil is 50-70W, then I guess 50 would yield a cooler vape (with lesser juice consumption) and vice versa at 70. So it is up to me to experiment within the supported range to arrive at a value that I am happy vaping at
Correct?
RTAs:
This is where I guess I need a little more help.
As far as building coils go, there are enough and more coil master DIY videos and I guess there are always YT videos with RTA builds to get enough and more hints from. Where I need some help is the resistance to aim for.
I know that depending on the gauge, dia, resistance the steam engine calculator provides the number of wraps that I should build the coil with. But what I am not clear about is how do I go about deciding the resistance I want to aim for. Given that all the RTA tanks are DL, I guess I know I go sub ohm but that range is so varied. One thing I thought was I can work backwards from the watts I want to use the mod at which can determine resistance and hence coils but is that the way to go. Or is it purely preferential and it is more like I want juice efficiency so I choose 0.8 or I want tons of vapor so I go with 0.1? I guess what I am asking is the starting point on how to decide on what I am building towards.
Hope this question is not too dumb
Items are arriving one by one.
My plan is to use the Cylon with the Atlantis tank for now as my primary device with the pro C and Cacade playing my back up.
Side by side, I intend to use the reborn to fire my Intake or Ammit so that I get started on the RTA road and get to experimenting.
If you have any other suggestions or opinions please do let me know
Peace
Correct. Using a regulated mod, coil resistance is irrelevant. The electricity is not coming from the battery, but from the regulator chipset. However, the coil's resistance can provide a clue to the range of wattage settings you can use.
Everyone has their own personal sweet spot. It's pretty much a trial and error situation to determine what your sweet spot is. Don't be afraid to experiment.
Some RTA's have a "reputation" of performing better with a particular range of coil resistances. For example, the early model Kayfun RTA's performed best with a ohm range of 1.2 ohm to 2.0 ohm. That's a rather high resistance considering the sub-ohm coils often used in other rebuildable tanks.
Being new to building your own coils, we generally recommend a safer and more "conservative" coil resistance. A 1.0 ohm coil is a good safe starting point. Being that you will be using an adjustable wattage regulated mod, you can always adjust your wattage setting with that 1.0 ohm resistance to get almost the same effect as if you had started out with a super sub-ohm resistance.
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Rules are the same for all stock coils, prime - start low- work up watts until you hit the sweet spot. Ignore recommended wattages, find what works for you. Take a few primer puffs at 35w and go from there. Don't forget some coils need a break in to reach full flavor, usually around a half - full tank for some. Personally I would shoot for .8-.5 for building.
@Baditude
So let’s say I go with 1 ohm, then what’s my wattage range? The steam engine calculator does provide that heat flux thingie in the right which kind of gives the temperature of the vape, is that the guiding factor. I can always look up a specific RTAs build but I just wanted to know the general rule of thumbs you guys employ in this whole DIY universe
@Letitia
Wow, a full tank sometimes, juice is premium for me now!!! So to take an example with my newly acquired Atlantis 2 tank - the .3 is 70-80W and the .5 is 20-30W. So I suppose you want me to start at 70 and 20 resp and work my way up right? Or did I understand wrong? You cannot go beyond 30 for the .5 coil right, or even the max limits can be ignored?
So let’s say I go with 1 ohm, then what’s my wattage range? The steam engine calculator does provide that heat flux thingie in the right which kind of gives the temperature of the vape, is that the guiding factor. I can always look up a specific RTAs build but I just wanted to know the general rule of thumbs you guys employ in this whole DIY universe
@Letitia
Wow, a full tank sometimes, juice is premium for me now!!! So to take an example with my newly acquired Atlantis 2 tank - the .3 is 70-80W and the .5 is 20-30W. So I suppose you want me to start at 70 and 20 resp and work my way up right? Or did I understand wrong? You cannot go beyond 30 for the .5 coil right, or even the max limits can be ignored?
NO, my point was simply start low and work your watts up. I start about 20w below recommended higher watt coils and 10w below lower watt coils. I would never start a new coil at 70w. Fresh wicks need time to prime and you still get flavor, but it is likely to get better after the first few mls. Relax. You are likely to find your sweet spot will vary at times to so be prepared to indulge in some flexibility. You are looking for definite answers that don't exist due to subjectivity. The same will apply to building. Just wrap a few different coils with some diameter and # of wraps variations and find what you like and are comfortable with. In other words...play and learn.@Baditude
So let’s say I go with 1 ohm, then what’s my wattage range? The steam engine calculator does provide that heat flux thingie in the right which kind of gives the temperature of the vape, is that the guiding factor. I can always look up a specific RTAs build but I just wanted to know the general rule of thumbs you guys employ in this whole DIY universe
@Letitia
Wow, a full tank sometimes, juice is premium for me now!!! So to take an example with my newly acquired Atlantis 2 tank - the .3 is 70-80W and the .5 is 20-30W. So I suppose you want me to start at 70 and 20 resp and work my way up right? Or did I understand wrong? You cannot go beyond 30 for the .5 coil right, or even the max limits can be ignored?
to give you an idea... at the moment I use:
Joyetech Pro-C1 coil: rated 40-80W, I vape it at 30-35.
Joyetech Pro-C1S coil: rated 25-55W, I vape it at 25-30.
Just sometimes, when I really feel like it, it dial up the wattage by 5-10 more to create some really warm and huge cloud. Then I dial it back.
Start testing your coils by lowballing, seeing where the point is where they do/don't produce a reasonable amount of vapor (for the coil). That's the point from where you work your way up, if necessary.
Joyetech Pro-C1 coil: rated 40-80W, I vape it at 30-35.
Joyetech Pro-C1S coil: rated 25-55W, I vape it at 25-30.
Just sometimes, when I really feel like it, it dial up the wattage by 5-10 more to create some really warm and huge cloud. Then I dial it back.
Start testing your coils by lowballing, seeing where the point is where they do/don't produce a reasonable amount of vapor (for the coil). That's the point from where you work your way up, if necessary.
@Letitia
Kindly pardon my over-zealousness, it is just that I wanted to get off to a decent start with all this. I know it is all subjective but your experience in these things could help shave off some effort from my side
I understand your point and I know how to work with coils that have recommended wattages for them.
However I still do not understand the starting watts for a coil I build. Assuming I build .5, .8 and 1 ohm coils for my RTAs, what are the wattages I would start testing them with. Does the heat flux value on the steam engine calculator page help with this? Just give me an idea as to how to set wattages for coils I build of varying resistances. Hope that is not a repeat question!
@tailland
Got it, from recommended watts for a coil, start well below and find your sweet spot. I understand that now.
Out of curiosity, do these coil heads fit out Pro C - ProC Series Heads - Joyetech
I ask this because the coils you asked me to buy with the pro C were these
5Pcs Original Joyetech Notchcoil DL Head Coil 0.25ohm Cubis BF Coil for Joyetech E Cigarettes -in Eletronic Cigarette Atomizer Cores from Consumer Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group
Just a little confused is all
Kindly pardon my over-zealousness, it is just that I wanted to get off to a decent start with all this. I know it is all subjective but your experience in these things could help shave off some effort from my side
I understand your point and I know how to work with coils that have recommended wattages for them.
However I still do not understand the starting watts for a coil I build. Assuming I build .5, .8 and 1 ohm coils for my RTAs, what are the wattages I would start testing them with. Does the heat flux value on the steam engine calculator page help with this? Just give me an idea as to how to set wattages for coils I build of varying resistances. Hope that is not a repeat question!
@tailland
Got it, from recommended watts for a coil, start well below and find your sweet spot. I understand that now.
Out of curiosity, do these coil heads fit out Pro C - ProC Series Heads - Joyetech
I ask this because the coils you asked me to buy with the pro C were these
5Pcs Original Joyetech Notchcoil DL Head Coil 0.25ohm Cubis BF Coil for Joyetech E Cigarettes -in Eletronic Cigarette Atomizer Cores from Consumer Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group
Just a little confused is all
A good place to start with a high ohm coil say 1.0 - .8 is 8w. For a .5 maybe 12w. This is for single wire kanthal builds. Any time you are unsure start at 10w, if you aren't getting any vapor try 13w etc.
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