Hello, Im new and really overwhelmed...I NEED HELP! lol

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sailorman

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Don't even get me started on the vision/stardust. it seems like there is so much fragmentation of versions of those. My wife likes them exclusively but there are so many variances as I have bought from a few different vendors. One of many variances I noticed: some start cracking and some dont even show signs of cracking (all menthol juice). Some of my friends I convinced to buy Kgos like them because they are super easy to fill vs a standard cartomizer.

To the OP: I hope you are taking notes, lol.



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That's because they've recently been changed and the newer ones use a different plastic formualtion. If you notice, the ones I linked to are the V2 Stardusts or "ego Vision Clearomizers V2". All of the earlier ones used a harder polycarbonate and were notorious for cracking with certain juices.
 

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I know many have advised you to go with the Kgo kit, but I'd like to put in a vote for the eGo C twist kit. I have it and love it. It's very easy to use and the nice thing is you can use it at the standard voltage until you get used to it and then play around with the twist bottom to adjust the voltage later on when you are more comfortable with the whole vaping experience. I started with a stick cigarette, then moved to an eGo C and now have a Twist. I couldn't believe how much better the vaping experience is with the Twist.
Much of the reason you see such a difference is that the eGo-C is such a bad system in the first place, and only 3.4V. It's less powerful than your stick battery was. The C tank system is terrible compared to any unregulated 3.7V battery and a good carto/clearo. That's why most people junk it and switch to clearomizers.

The problem with the Twist is that you need to buy two of them at a time unless you have another e-cig to use while one of them is charging up. They are also ridiculously long in the 1000mah version and the version that's the same length as the Kgo is only 650mah. If you want a large variable voltage, you can get a kit of the latest Lavatube, a FULL range VV with TWO batteries for the price of two twists. And, to top it all off, the Twist is disposable, unlike the Lavatube.
So, you can pay $60 for two low voltage, disposable Twists or $60 for a full range lavatube kit that's not disposable and has a battery that lasts twice as long between recharges.

Two Twists: $60
Lavatube :$60

Twist Range: 3.2V-4.8V (1.6V)
Lavatube Range: 3.0V-6V (3.0V)

Twist: 1000mah/battery
Lavatube: 2000mah/battery

Twist: Disposable
Lavtube: Not Disposable

Replacement battery cost Twist: $30
Replacement battery cost Lavatube: $10

Twist Amp limit: 2.5A
Lavatube Amp limit: 3.2A

Twist Volt select: Dial and tiny numbers
Lavatube Volt select: OLED Digital Display

Twist Battery level indicator: None
Lavatube batt. indicator: Digital bar graph

Twist resistance display: None
Lavatube resistance display: Digital ohm display
 
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That's because they've recently been changed and the newer ones use a different plastic formualtion. If you notice, the ones I linked to are the V2 Stardusts or "ego Vision Clearomizers V2". All of the earlier ones used a harder polycarbonate and were notorious for cracking with certain juices.

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hey sailorman do you think I should be concerned about these cracking too soon? What juices should I avoid? Or is it a PG/VG ratio? Got a pack for my mom and loved them so I got myself one too.

GP CE2 510 XL Clearomizers for 510 and eGo
 

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hey sailorman do you think I should be concerned about these cracking too soon? What juices should I avoid? Or is it a PG/VG ratio? Got a pack for my mom and loved them so I got myself one too.

GP CE2 510 XL Clearomizers for 510 and eGo

I haven't used these, but they look like a MiT product with tubes a lot like the G4 clearomizers. The plastic on these is pretty thick and I wouldn't be overly concerned about them, but they are definitely polycarbonate. There are a lot of different juices that are rough on polycarbonate. the worst offenders are cinnamon, citrus juices, juice with citric acid like pineapple, and colas. I had a Vision Stone fog all up with GP pineapple. It's got little internal cracks and looks like milk jug, but it hasn't shattered yet. If you have some juice that's suspect, you might just designate one clearo as a test subject. If it doesn't fog up or crack within 24 hours, it'll probably be o.k.
 

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I was actually shocked that the pineapple did that. I had DIY pineapple in there before without a problem. And I had pineapple/peach in the same kind of tank with no problem. My suspicion is that some vendors use citric acid in their pineapples. That particular pineapple came from Good Prophets. I wouldn't take DIY pineapple as a conclusive test.
 

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I haven't used these, but they look like a MiT product with tubes a lot like the G4 clearomizers. The plastic on these is pretty thick and I wouldn't be overly concerned about them, but they are definitely polycarbonate. There are a lot of different juices that are rough on polycarbonate. the worst offenders are cinnamon, citrus juices, juice with citric acid like pineapple, and colas. I had a Vision Stone fog all up with GP pineapple. It's got little internal cracks and looks like milk jug, but it hasn't shattered yet. If you have some juice that's suspect, you might just designate one clearo as a test subject. If it doesn't fog up or crack within 24 hours, it'll probably be o.k.

Note that a large amount of bisphenol A (BPA) leaches into juice when polycarbonate tanks and clearomizers start cracking and crazing like you describe. BPA is a well-known endocrine disruptor that mimics estrogen in the mammalian body, that is, it docks with estrogen receptors and sets off the same hormonal signaling cascade as the estrogen in hormone replacement pills. Studies have repeatedly shown that BPA leaches into water in polycarbonate bottles (e.g., baby bottles), so given that PG and VG are both excellent solvents and that citric acid is commonly used in juices as a preservative and/or flavorant, some level of BPA is almost certainly leaching into juice even in polycarbonate tanks that don't have noticeable cracking or crazing. Personally, I will not use polycarbonate tanks and frankly am surprised that more of a fuss hasn't been raised about their widespread use but, as with anything, YMMV. I do think, though, that those who widely recommend polycarbonate tanks and clearomizers (perhaps especially in the new members forum) should at least mention the potential health risks involved so that others can make their own decision about whether or not they are willing to assume such risks.

Endocrine disruptor - Wikipedia
Bisphenol A - Wikipedia
Crazing - Wikipedia
Polycarbonate - Wikipedia
 

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Much of the reason you see such a difference is that the eGo-C is such a bad system in the first place, and only 3.4V. It's less powerful than your stick battery was. The C tank system is terrible compared to any unregulated 3.7V battery and a good carto/clearo. That's why most people junk it and switch to clearomizers.

The problem with the Twist is that you need to buy two of them at a time unless you have another e-cig to use while one of them is charging up. They are also ridiculously long in the 1000mah version and the version that's the same length as the Kgo is only 650mah. If you want a large variable voltage, you can get a kit of the latest Lavatube, a FULL range VV with TWO batteries for the price of two twists. And, to top it all off, the Twist is disposable, unlike the Lavatube.
So, you can pay $60 for two low voltage, disposable Twists or $60 for a full range lavatube kit that's not disposable and has a battery that lasts twice as long between recharges.

Two Twists: $60
Lavatube :$60

Twist Range: 3.2V-4.8V (1.6V)
Lavatube Range: 3.0V-6V (3.0V)

Twist: 1000mah/battery
Lavatube: 2000mah/battery

Twist: Disposable
Lavtube: Not Disposable

Replacement battery cost Twist: $30
Replacement battery cost Lavatube: $10

Twist Amp limit: 2.5A
Lavatube Amp limit: 3.2A

Twist Volt select: Dial and tiny numbers
Lavatube Volt select: OLED Digital Display

Twist Battery level indicator: None
Lavatube batt. indicator: Digital bar graph

Twist resistance display: None
Lavatube resistance display: Digital ohm display


LOL, Sailorman, I know how you feel about eGo C's. And I understand that the LT is better than an eGo. If the choice is between the LT and an eGo C, than the OP is probably better off picking the LT. I was just pointing out that for someone who is starting out with a basic PV and who was considering the regular eGo C, the twist might be a better option because it has VV but isn't as heavy or as expensive or as complicated as the Provari. I wish I had started with the twist instead of starting with the regular eGo C and then buying the twist batteries later, so I'm just letting newbies know that option exists. I've seen the twist batteries on sale for $25 lately. The tiny numbers don't bother me because I don't look at them. I just turn the dial until I get the TH, taste, and vapor level I like. Easy peasy for a noob who doesn't measure volts, amps, and watts.

I'm not questioning your judgment. You've been very helpful to me in your posts. I'm just coming at this as someone who just went through what the OP is going through and as a noobie without a clue, I see the Twist as a way to start very basically and then step up to VV without buying a whole new PV.

By the way, I have a Provari mini on order. I'll let you know how blown away I am by it when it gets here.
 
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