Hello, Im new and really overwhelmed...I NEED HELP! lol

[sailorman]

Noting that I am definitely in the minority, I will just say that there's a lot of reason in the advice from the KGO side. In fact, I think that the KGO would be the default scenario. What I'm saying, is that the OP could very well bypass the default scenario if his wishes are a little different; and that having a ProVari as one's first PV is not disaster, and that if I had been able to afford it, I would have gone for a Ferrari as my first car. We don't all have to follow the most sensible, stepwise approach to everything, especially not to entertainment.
Moreover, the analogy - although seemingly elegant - breaks badly when you consider that the only reason not to get a Ferrari as your first car (especially if you're an American and learned to drive on an automatic) is that you are likely to wreck it and hurt yourself and/or others... No such risk with the ProVari, really - so why not go for a Ferrari that won't kill you and won't blow up no matter how bad a driver you are?

Because, after you learn to drive, you might find out you don't like the uncomfortable ride and stiff clutch of the Ferrari so much. Perhaps you'd prefer a Jaguar or something more civilized. The validity of the Ferrari analogy lies in the fact that, once you have some experience, you may find that you prefer a Lamborghini or a Porsche. The OP might find out that a Reo VV, or something like a Twist, or a Buzzpro holds more appeal. Maybe you won't even give a flip about VV at all. When just starting out, you dont know what you like most. The difference in performance between a Provari and other good VV PVs isn't so profound as to negate all other considerations. Many people who could afford a Provari decide on another model. Yes. It's true. Believe it or not.

That is at best a relative / debatable issue. At worst, you're doing the same as you don't like done unto you by the slim battery supporters. Sure, opinions / behaviors vary, but it's not a monster of a pipe bomb that you need to hide or else people will think you're doing something else It isn't larger than a dry erase marker, it's less wide than a quarter and it fits comfortably in the hand. Except for dress pants and skinny jeans, it can be carried in a pocket without mishap or discomfort. It looks so cool, it's hard no to want to be seen with it in public.

I'm not arguing so much that it's too big. For many noobs, anything bigger than an analog is too big. But every day I read posts from Provari owners who say that their Provari is their "stay at home" PV. They get other, sometimes smaller and always less costly, PVs for when they're out or at work. I'm assuming a 24 year old doesn't sit in a rocking chair and crochet all day and night. I've lost expensive items in my youth, more expensive than a Provari. It didn't feel very good, but it didn't drive me back to smoking or out looking for a gas station e-cig either.

THAT is true. Backups are essential, probably more so in the beginning. So I guess they are all right when they say that if you shell out all that money for the ProVari and that means you'll depend on it as your only PV, that's a problem. They're not known to fail, but still - you need at least one backup that works. That need to be taken into account, I'm afraid.

True enough.

 

[wseyller]

There might be some people that can jump straight to a provari and buy a backup at the same time, but those are rare individuals that learn everything on the internet at a super high rate. But we can't assume that when someone ask for help. I have recommended and convince many friends to buy a kgo and the success has been very high. It works for them very well. They are starting to find out other types of cartomizers that work even better for their needs. I could not imagine recommending a provari to most of them at the start. It would be suicidal to their goal to get off of analogs.

Even the fastest learner can only learn so much from research. Dont put the cart before the horse. Let them learn about different cartos that fit their style by real experience and then they will have more of an idea of what to do with their new precious provari.

Just my 2 cents


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[xXSPOONEEXx]

Thanks all for your suggestions! I understand alittle more now. I have decided to get the k-go since I will be buying a couple of them and that would be insanely expensive if I was to go with provari. Especially if I don't like it. I can always upgrade later on. I also want to know where do you suggest buying it and what should I buy other than the kit. I decided to get the kits with the atomizers, but I also want to try cartomizers and clearomizers (i guess thats how to spell it). What cartomizer do you suggest? Pls keep in mind I want alot of vapor. Also what juice do you suggest? I'm alittle less lost but still kind of confused lol. Thanks for all the help so far, you all are great!

 

[Ratchet]

Opinions vary but if you're already ready for a bigger unit, the Provari is NICE but expensive. I started and stuck with a Lavatube. I love those things and have 2 of them, won't get a Provari any time soon.......

As for "Liquid holders", aka Tanks: If ure up to spending a bit more, get a Phiniac tank from Phiniac Rugged Pyrex Glass Tanks, TallBoy for standard Tank Cartomizers, and a few Tank Cartos and juice to get you going......

 

[Pappy]

Good decision on the KGO. The main reason to buy the KGO is that it is SO inexpensive that you don't waste several days fretting about whether or not to buy it (like you might with the $250 - $300 you'd have to drop on a Provari setup). And when you get a Provari (or whatever APV you ultimately get), the KGO will be a GREAT backup.

Buy the cartomizers Sailorman linked to in his post on Page 1 of this thread. You will want at least one 5-pack and preferably 2. They won't go to waste. If they happen to be out-of-stock on the Boge cartos, buy the Smok-Tech XL 1.7ohm cartos. They are fine too.

And get 2 or 3 drip tips. Just the cheap plastic ones for $2 or $3 are fine. No need to spend $7 or $8 on one.

 

[wseyller]

where you buy prices will vary just a little. you need juice and cartomizers to go with the purchase. I just suggest a juice mix of 80% PG / 20% vg or maybe 70 PG / 30 vg. nicotine depends on what you need . 24Mg nic is the highest most people need. Try that or maybe 18mg. Get small samples of juice until you know what you like.

For cartomizers I suggest to start with Boge 510 low resistance (LR) cartos which are 2.0 ohm

My suggestion for purchase is darkcityvapor.com The boge cartos when you buy the 5 packs you get a free 5ml of juice. Great when you want samples. I've try half of their juice and its good stuff.

Discount code for 5% off is: ECFDCV

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[wseyller]

Make a point to learn how to fill a standard cartomizer. There are 3 methods: drip into it straight from the bottle, condom fill, and syringe fill. There are many YouTube videos on this.

Also learn about the different juice mixtures of PG (propylene glycol) and VG ( vegetable glycerin). Learn what each ingredient provides and what it limits. A few hints: PG is the easiest to deal with (thinner) and allows more throat hit from nicotine. Too much PG can cause some throat irritation. VG mutes flavors more than PG but is sweeter and is really thick. Thickness can cause wicking problems if you dont handle it right. Some people like more VG due to allergies due to PG.

Also remember to drink plenty of water as PG & VG will dry you out.

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[frosting]

Well at this point you are probably on information over-load so my advice... "Breathe In... Breathe out, read, relax, and Repeat. Breathe In, Breathe out... " Don't be scared to give yourself a couple days to a week to really absorb the information, research, get a better feel for what you need, ect. There isn't a rush. Things DO get a lot easier when they're finally in your hands. Everything kind of comes together, what people have been talking about really starts to make sense.

I started smoking at about 11/12, then regularly around 14. I'm 23 now. For me the eGo was fine and got me though until i was ready to upgrade to a 50$ variable voltage box mod( probably after about 3/4 months into vaping)
I've heard kGo's voltage/warmth is a touch better.

Some sites I like you may want to take a peek at :

eGo Starter kits. Always have 20% off coupon in corner. If you go with an eGo starter I would buy it here.Comes with 2 month warranty on batteries. I wouldn't buy their juice. They're more a "hardware" site than juice site. California--> www.liberty-flights.com/

If you end up really liking vaping, this site is great to stock up on cartomizers. Good deals on drip tips too.-->Crystal Clear Vaping

Also for cartomizers, this site throws in a free 5ml bottle of juice +they have rock bottom prices(their juice is a hit or a miss though)--> Welcome to VaporGod.com - Eliquid, Cartomizers, Ego Batteries, Atomizers, Electronic Cigarettes and more!

My personal favorite juice vendor. They're from Michigan--> Premium USA E-Liquid, Electonic Cigarettes and Handcrafted USA E-Juice by Mister-E-Liquid.com

Looking for sweet juice? This place is a little expensive but a win --> Sweet-Vapes

 

[yardbyrd]

Intentional or not, amen to that. Bottom line is everyone's advice comes from one's subjective experience and needs to be taken as such...

Thanks for noticing elfstone! I actually DID mean subjective; I feel it is what makes this forum invaluable!

 

[RickMc]

Thanks all for your suggestions! I understand alittle more now. I have decided to get the k-go since I will be buying a couple of them and that would be insanely expensive if I was to go with provari. Especially if I don't like it. I can always upgrade later on. I also want to know where do you suggest buying it and what should I buy other than the kit. I decided to get the kits with the atomizers, but I also want to try cartomizers and clearomizers (i guess thats how to spell it). What cartomizer do you suggest? Pls keep in mind I want alot of vapor. Also what juice do you suggest? I'm alittle less lost but still kind of confused lol. Thanks for all the help so far, you all are great!

You won't be sorry. If you decide to move on to more expensive/complex devices, you will have the KGO's to fall back on. They're very solid. For cartomizers, you might want to start with 2.0 ohm Boge or SmokTech. For clearos, you're on your own. Every type you can buy has both huge fans and detractors. Reviews and your own experience will be the best guides.

 

[sailorman]

Thanks all for your suggestions! I understand alittle more now. I have decided to get the k-go since I will be buying a couple of them and that would be insanely expensive if I was to go with provari. Especially if I don't like it. I can always upgrade later on. I also want to know where do you suggest buying it and what should I buy other than the kit. I decided to get the kits with the atomizers, but I also want to try cartomizers and clearomizers (i guess thats how to spell it). What cartomizer do you suggest? Pls keep in mind I want alot of vapor. Also what juice do you suggest? I'm alittle less lost but still kind of confused lol. Thanks for all the help so far, you all are great!

Here are my suggestions. On this page, choose one of the atomizer kits on the top row, depending on what color you like. They will include the atomizers for testing juice. You can get the cartomziers separately.
KGO

Then, get one or, preferably two boxes of cartomizers. The Smoketech 1.7ohm "Resurrector" aka "Revive" and the Boge 2ohm cartomizers are excellent.
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_color_plus.tpl&product_id=259&category_id=21

http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_color_plus.tpl&product_id=985&category_id=21

If you want a clearomizer, these are very popular and get good reviews/results:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_color_plus.tpl&product_id=1156&category_id=21

Then, pick up a drip tip or three here:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.browse&category_id=35

Then, all you need is juice. You're on your own there. I make the best juice and it's not for sale.

 

[RickMc]

sailorman, do you know if SweetVapes' KGO's are SLB's? I'm not sure who all manufactures the KGO.

 

[wseyller]

sailorman, do you know if SweetVapes' KGO's are SLB's? I'm not sure who all manufactures the KGO.

All I know is they should be SLB. They are some knockoffs but sweetvapes is reputable so I would assume they are SLB. Other then that "some" vendors laser etch they damn logo into them which I dont like.

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[wseyller]

I make the best juice and it's not for sale.

Lmfao! That is awesome. Ive made some good creations but i'm sure its not as good as yours.



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[sailorman]

sailorman, do you know if SweetVapes' KGO's are SLB's? I'm not sure who all manufactures the KGO.

I don't know for sure. I know a lot of people have gotten theirs there and I haven't seen any complaints. Like wseyller said, they're pretty reputable. I think Hoosier is the only place I've seen that advertises theirs as SLB. I would expect S-Vs are SLB but they just don't bother advertising the fact. For 99.9% of the people buying kGo's, SLB means absolutely nothing anyway.

It's amusing when people talk about knockoffs of SLB. SLB is a knockoff of Joyetech. The whole damn industry is nothing but one company knocking off another.

 

[wseyller]

I don't know for sure. I know a lot of people have gotten theirs there and I haven't seen any complaints. Like wseyller said, they're pretty reputable. I think Hoosier is the only place I've seen that advertises theirs as SLB. I would expect S-Vs are SLB but they just don't bother advertising the fact. For 99.9% of the people buying kGo's, SLB means absolutely nothing anyway.

It's amusing when people talk about knockoffs of SLB. SLB is a knockoff of Joyetech. The whole damn industry is nothing but one company knocking off another.

Rumors get crazy for sure. Who really knows. darkcityvapor also list theirs as SLB. I dont even know who SLB is nor can I find any other reference to them.

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[Cowboy Cru]

I have to be biased here and direct you to the Provari. I have not read the other posts past your original, so this has probably all been said. I really think Variable Voltage is the way, and the future, to go. The control is amazing in case you get that cartomiser or juice that just isn't doing it for you. They are expensive as you probably know, but what you save on cigs will more than pay for it before you know it! And welcome to ECF! This is the best place to get your answers and become less confused, or more! Haha! The good thing is you tried one, and have a few of the best models in mind. So you are basically there! Finding the right PV is not to awful hard for the ones you are already looking at. But the right cartomisers and juice was my biggest struggle (still is sometimes because of these damn things in your mouth called taste buds that like to play with your mind sometimes)! Here's my 2 cents, and what worked for me.

-Provari
-juice from The Vapor Room (.net), 50/50 PG/VG-24mg
-Boge cartomisers

For me who was a heavy smoker, this worked. This is my all day battery, plumes of vapor clouds, great taste and customer service, strong enough mg, and smoothest carto's.
Personally, my other suggestion is switch cold turkey to the e-cig! Chain vape if need be and never go back. And trust me, after a few weeks if you do put a stinky cig in your mouth, you will be disgusted! Success! Just my personal experience. Good luck and Welcome again!

-CC-my avatar is Uranus

 

[sailorman]

Rumors get crazy for sure. Who really knows. darkcityvapor also list theirs as SLB. I dont even know who SLB is nor can I find any other reference to them.

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Oh yeah. I forgot about dark city. SLB is just another Chinese company that has their stuff made in some of the hundreds of factories that build 90% of all this stuff. They make a lot of atomizers, knocked off Joye. That's the first product I ever knew them from. I don't think they're anybody special. I like their atomizers a little better than the Joyes, so that just goes to show you that sometimes the knockoffs are better than the originals. The only real exception I've noticed to that is with the knockoffs of vision clearomizers. There are some really shoddy knockoff clearos.

 

[wseyller]

Oh yeah. I forgot about dark city. SLB is just another Chinese company that has their stuff made in some of the hundreds of factories that build 90% of all this stuff. They make a lot of atomizers, knocked off Joye. That's the first product I ever knew them from. I don't think they're anybody special. I like their atomizers a little better than the Joyes, so that just goes to show you that sometimes the knockoffs are better than the originals. The only real exception I've noticed to that is with the knockoffs of vision clearomizers. There are some really shoddy knockoff clearos.

Don't even get me started on the vision/stardust. it seems like there is so much fragmentation of versions of those. My wife likes them exclusively but there are so many variances as I have bought from a few different vendors. One of many variances I noticed: some start cracking and some dont even show signs of cracking (all menthol juice). Some of my friends I convinced to buy Kgos like them because they are super easy to fill vs a standard cartomizer.

To the OP: I hope you are taking notes, lol.



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[JudeD]

I know many have advised you to go with the Kgo kit, but I'd like to put in a vote for the eGo C twist kit. I have it and love it. It's very easy to use and the nice thing is you can use it at the standard voltage until you get used to it and then play around with the twist bottom to adjust the voltage later on when you are more comfortable with the whole vaping experience. I started with a stick cigarette, then moved to an eGo C and now have a Twist. I couldn't believe how much better the vaping experience is with the Twist.

I also recommend the Vision Stardust clearomizers from Got Vapes. I have used the Boge cartomizers and they are okay, but a pain to learn to fill and keep topped off. With the Stardusts, you unscrew the tip, drip juice in, screw the tip back on, and start vaping. No syringes or condom method needed. Just giving you the opinion of someone who just started recently and was also overwhelmed by everything--for me, the Twist and Stardusts have been the most satisfying, low maintenance solution.

As for juice, there are lots of great vendors out there. My favorites are Mrs. T's Bakery, Kick Bass Vapes, EC Blends, and Copper Creek. Be sure to order juices in several different nic strengths or order a bottle of flavorless 0 nic to dilute. You may be like me and want 18 mg nic in the morning, 12 mg nic throughout the day, and 6 mg nic in the evening when most people tend to chainvape a bit. You don't want to only have 18 mg or 24 mg juice and find out it's too strong and gives you headaches.

Be sure to keep reading on here. There is a lot of information and it can be overwhelming, but after awhile, it starts to make sense and not feel like a foreign language.

Good luck!