Hello

[BassMonkey]

OK I think I am squared away with the delivery system, at least enough as a starting point.

So now I am looking at the juices and taking the advice of only getting 5ml sample sizes.

But first PG ? VG ?

Also, what is a good (average) price for say 5ml ? so I know if I am shopping at the right store.
I started cart'ing (putting in shopping cart) a number of juices that I like to eat haha yes flavors I like to eat but have no idea if that will translate into a flavor I want to vape.

OH and I was thinking of starting out with 24mg nico.

Polar Bear

Ahh can't really help you with the juices since I'm only a few days in but Boba's bounty seems to be the rave here. Picked up a 30ml of the stuff the other day should be here soon. For now I'm vaping some sweet prototype sweet tart stuff from vapure.com(Near my house so I just pick up there)

 

[36tinybells]

Jerry B, an Ego of any sort will be a good start! Hope you are better soon. Also, Dark City Vapor is currently running a sale on Go-Go's for $25. This pv gets good reviews, I have not tried one myself because I try to stick to all 510 stuff, but if I were starting out now, $25 is an very low price for such a well reviewed kit. Lol, I am currently trying to talk myself out of buying one, since I have modding stuff to build with already and am on a self-inflicted budget! I have ordered from this vender, though, and no worries, he is a good guy!

 

[sonicdsl]

Jerry B, an Ego of any sort will be a good start! Hope you are better soon. Also, Dark City Vapor is currently running a sale on Go-Go's for $25. This pv gets good reviews, I have not tried one myself because I try to stick to all 510 stuff, but if I were starting out now, $25 is an very low price for such a well reviewed kit. Lol, I am currently trying to talk myself out of buying one, since I have modding stuff to build with already and am on a self-inflicted budget! I have ordered from this vender, though, and no worries, he is a good guy!

Definitely an excellent buy for an AMAZING PV. I'm just saying... (Remember - adapters available for 510 for cheap to make it just as compatible with any other 510 stuff! )

 

[Michael Curry]

But first PG ? VG ?

Yes.

Sorry - Couldn't resist.

Most commonly, you will find that juice is mostly PG with some VG.

PG is thinner and lets the flavor through better. Most cartomizers don't like excessive VG because it wicks too slowly, they burn dry and scorch. Tanks (eGo) seem to like 70-80% PG, the rest being VG minus the flavorants. VG also tends to mute flavor. I think of VG as more of an addative to make the PG juice better.

 

[Michael Curry]

As for the other part:

Nicotene levels are really trial and error. My wife and I smoked the same cigs, same amount of them per day. We started on 12mg. It kicked her ..... She dropped to 6mg and is fine with it. I, on the other hand, found that on 12mg I was vaping constantly and barely having my 'needs' met. I am now at 24mg and a happy camper.

I told her the difference was that I was a manly man and she was a wimpy girl and couldn't handle 24mg. It went pretty well, all that one cost me was a dinner and a couple bottles of juice. You'd think after being married 20 years, I'd know better than that, eh?

If you get a juice that is either too high or too low - just buy another bottle in another strength and mix them. If you just dilute it with PG or something, you dilute flavoring too.

Flavors you like to eat are a good start. I vape chocolate/caramel a lot. I used to buy a LOT of MIlky Way Simply Caramel candy bars. Haven't had the urge to buy one since I started vaping that juice. lol

 

[Kazoo]

So wait, what your trying to say Michael, is not only did the PV curb your appetite for analogs but also extremely fattening candy bars? OMG!!! Its a weight loss program too!

Can't blame ya though, I am absolutely in love with my Cinn-a-bun flavor. Its ooohhhh so good, and not sick candy cinnamon flavor either, its right on real cinnamon. Carrot Cake was pretty bomb too lol! My fiance wants some blueberry cheesecake, I have high hopes for that one.

As to your question polar bear, I'm working with some 50/50 stuff right now and I like it. It puffs a lot smoother then my 80/20 (pg/vg) juice. At the moment though I'm thinking it might just be my brand of juice but i really hate the 80/20 stuff i have. It has almost too much throat hit and makes me feel kind of congested. I can't poof on it long. My 50/50 I can poof for hours! My next order I actually plan on getting about 10 samples all ranging in Nic and PG/VG blend so I can find that "sweet" spot.

What I'm really trying to say is buy a lot of different blends as well as flavors. If you come across a flavor that you really want to like, but don't. Try getting the same flavor from a different maker. They might surprise you.

 

[sonicdsl]

I started out at 90/10 and 80/20 (PG/VG) with 24mg for my first juices, and now am trying 50/50 and my nic is down to 10-12mg. I love the 50/50! I think Kazoo is right, it seems smoother, and loads more vapor! It works just fine in my Go-Go cartos, Epower DC cartos, and 510 Resurrectors. Love this combo! I lowered the nic because I theorized that the flavor was more important to me, and I didn't need so much nic. Turns out I was right. Although, I think it worked out working my way down to get used to no analogs - I definitely recommend starting high, as I did.

 

[Michael Curry]

So wait, what your trying to say Michael, is not only did the PV curb your appetite for analogs but also extremely fattening candy bars? OMG!!! Its a weight loss program too!

It was a totally unexpected, but quite pleasant surprise.

 

[Polar Bear]

I started out at 90/10 and 80/20 (PG/VG) with 24mg for my first juices, and now am trying 50/50 and my nic is down to 10-12mg. I love the 50/50! I think Kazoo is right, it seems smoother, and loads more vapor! It works just fine in my Go-Go cartos, Epower DC cartos, and 510 Resurrectors. Love this combo! I lowered the nic because I theorized that the flavor was more important to me, and I didn't need so much nic. Turns out I was right. Although, I think it worked out working my way down to get used to no analogs - I definitely recommend starting high, as I did.

When talking mixes of like 90/10 80/20 50/50 etc..... are those premixed when you buy them or do you buy the PG and VG seperately and do your own mixing ?

 

[sonicdsl]

When talking mixes of like 90/10 80/20 50/50 etc..... are those premixed when you buy them or do you buy the PG and VG seperately and do your own mixing ?

There are 2 ways to get your juice: buy them premixed or you can buy the PG and/or VG and nic liquid and flavorings and mix it yourself.

DIY mixing takes a little time to learn, and there are calculators you can use to help figure out the right percentage of what to use, etc. But the thing I see the most about DIY liquids, is wait until you have some experience with e-cigs in general before making a foray into DIY, and I agree with that.

So the number you see - 90/10, 80/20, 50/50 - is the percentage mix done by the supplier from which you buy the liquid. Usually you have that and the nic mg level (24mg is good to start with if you were a PAD smoker or more). As someone said earlier, try to find places that have samples you can order cheap until you find the ones you like.

Hope this helps!

 

[Polar Bear]

I couldn't see the spec on the juices I was looking at but that doesn't seem to be as important at this point. I am trying to put a stake in the ground to go from which I believe I have and just waiting till monday to put in the order.

I am curious though, it has been suggested that I get several flavors to sample which makes sense. Question though, I would be filling the cartomizer with the juice right. But when going from one to another flavor won't there be some residual from the last juice ? I can't imagine having a separate cartomizer for each flavor you like. So whats the answer ?

Polar Bear

 

[Michael Curry]

Well, actually, you already stated the answer.... Ever wonder why they sell carto's in boxes of five?

OK, we know you don't want to load a cartomizer with a new juice just to taste it, right? I mean, the're not expensive, but they aren't free either. Here's the trick... Dripping. All you do is you take the topmost piece off of your eGo, be it a tank or a cartridge. Drop a few drops of fluid down into it and vape it.

I don't personally care too much for dripping because you're having to put drops in frequently. It does, however, give a very good clean flavor, and some people love it. I only drip with a new juice to decide if I want to dedicate a carto to it.

Also - You can clean a carto out. Juice is water soluble. Soak it and or boil it for a bit, shake it out and stand it upside down overnight to dry and reload with something else.

If something tastes good to me, I will give it a cartomizer. If I really like it, I might end up putting it in one of the big Mega jobs someone mentioned a page or so back. But only my real favorites go in those. After all, who wants 5ml ready to vape of a flavor that's just "sorta OK", right?

 

[Kazoo]

lol polar bear, Actually as I sit here vaping on my 510 while the ego clone charges, I have to my left 5 clearomizers and to my right another 5 plus the one in my mouth and the one my wife has. Each one has a different flavor in it.

I definitely agree about it sucking to put a so so juice in a cart just to try it. Dripping is the way to go for sampling flavors.

Wish I had done that with about 5 of the flavors I just got, I think they suck, thankfully wifey likes a couple of the ones I don't and none of the ones I do like

 

[Newbie62]

Yes,, I was introduced to the Ego-t 3 weeks ago and love it.. !!

 

[Polar Bear]

hmmmm ok good to know before placing my order. Cause I am planning on MadVapes-510-Ego-Kit-with-Carrying-Case which has 2 Atomizers and 5 Prefilled 510 round cartridges.

So I could drip with the prefilleds and use them to test the 6 flavors I've chosen to sample once those are emptied (or if I realy don't like that flavor I can clean those out).

For those that I decide I like though I'm probably going to want some dedicated cartomizers.
So I added to my cart Refillable-510-Cartomizers-25-ohm made by Bauway.

Referenced earlier I put a eGo-Mega-Dual-Coil-Cartomizer-Flat-Tip into my cart. But I suspect that will be for my primary juice (day long vaping).

Polar Bear

 

[Michael Curry]

Yup - I use the Mega Dual Coils for favorites. They're great for an all-day vape. By their design, they're low resistance, so give about 8-10% hotter of a vape, but that's mitigated a bit by the longer distance the vapor travels and the larger expansion area inside the barrel of the carto, so the real "low resistance" effect with them is negligible as far as taste goes. I only mention it because they will deplete your battery faster than a standard carto, and I didn't want you to think there was a malfunction of some sort happening.

All of my eGo stuff is eGo-T, so I know how those atomizers are set up. I use a drip tip on them when I drip. The alternative is to 'stovepipe' it. I prefer to have the tip, and it was only like 4 bucks. The atomizers and drip tip not something I use often, but when juice testing time comes, they're worth their weight in gold.

ETA: Somebody who has used both can tell you for sure, but it looks like it's possible that you will be able to use the tip from the EMDCC (big cartomizer) in the atomizer as a drip tip so you don't have to stovepipe it.

Looks like you get a couple eGo cones too - those are for when you use regular size catromizers. They're mostly cosmetic, but also give a bit of mechanical support/stability to the carto since it's sticking up from a threaded connection at the bottom. I use an adapter with my ProVari that lets me use the EMDCC, and I leave it on there for an attachment point for a cone when I use the smaller carto's.

 

[36tinybells]

IMO, the cones help the draw too. Madvapes has been a standup vender for me, so good choice polarbear! I can't wait for you to get started. Make sure to ask if you feel like something is off- we all go through learning curves with all the equipment and juices and somebody can probably help you with any trouble you encounter, no need for you to reinvent the wheel!

 

[Michael Curry]

Make sure to ask if you feel like something is off- we all go through learning curves with all the equipment and juices and somebody can probably help you with any trouble you encounter, no need for you to reinvent the wheel!

^^^ THIS ^^^

Best post of the day.

 

[Michael Curry]

IMO, the cones help the draw too.

It probably does. Since the bottom of the cone is threaded on, the air has to go in from teh top and be drawn down along the side of the cartomizer. The heat of the cartomizer is dissipated into that space, and the incoming air would be warmed somewhat. So depending on how fast you're vaping, you can get a bit of pre-heating going on, and since warm air will hold more moisture than cooler air....

There is a distinct possibility that this is a case of overthinking it just a bit. LOL

 

[BassMonkey]

Hey guys long time no see. Been out and about playing with my new Provari.

So Polar, did you pick up your ego yet? I saw some mixing talk going on in some earlier post, but I really suggest you wait on that.

Anyway, I got that emdcc in today and man, a little disappointed. No TH at all compared to the lr306 dripping. I was really hoping for the same experience as dripping. Taste the same but no TH. I was really counting on this thing to help. Didn't wanna take my Provari to the hospital with me(too big, cant sneak it around as easily). OOps nvm, just figured it out for a throat hit. Heat it up a little before you take your draw. Note to self or anyone else, grab the LR version of the emdcc. 1 sec let me try again . . . Yup pre heat 1 1000 and then draw. Not exactly what I was looking for but enough to get me through one day.