Help! 18650 Battery for 220 and 300 watts MOD

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i ask which battery can max to 220w or 300w so my customer wouldn't complain why this mech mod can not use to 220w or 300w. so i came here to ask about battery type and safety. i just order to sell to my customer only and make sure it's up to 200w or 300w.

Do your customers a favor and tell them the truth. NO BATTERY (or batteries) can max 220watts or 300watts. It's all hyperbole. That's what we have been trying to tell YOU.

Mooch tried to tell you which LG batteries are real 30 amp batteries, which can do up to 90 watts each. You said they aren't available to you. So you're stuck with using only 20 amp batteries, and the truth is they won't do 200 watts or 300 watts.
 

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Do your customers a favor and tell them the truth. NO BATTERY (or batteries) can max 220watts or 300watts. It's all hyperbole. That's what we have been trying to tell YOU.
that sound great. i also think about this too. Thanks bro.
anyway do you know that Vanilla cream 6mg nicotine and Chocolate Banan mint 6mg nicotine that i vape but it make me cough very much at 25w above. i don't know what to do with that 100ml right now. just to throw it away or steep it til reduce nicotine on it own :( ? this makes me really sad i can't vape right now. so 0 nicotine it doesn't make cough and it goes fine ? Thanks bro
 

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My advice to you is; tell your customers the truth.
You are unable to acquire batteries that will be safe to use either power device near their full power.

There are no 18650 batteries that can safely support 220w in 2 cell configuration or safely support 300w in 3 cell configuration.


If the place you linked is where you intend on buying you have at best a 50/50 chance of the batteries being authentic.
 

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My advice to you is; tell your customers the truth.
You are unable to acquire batteries that will be safe to use either power device near their full power.

There are no 18650 batteries that can safely support 220w in 2 cell configuration or safely support 300w in 3 cell configuration.


If the place you linked is where you intend on buying you have at best a 50/50 chance of the batteries being authentic.
Thanks bro this help much. any do you know how can i reduce nicotine level ? i want it low to 0mg nicotine. because it's make me very cough every single time i vape it. i can't vape right now it makes me very sad. so much cough.
 

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anyway do you know that Vanilla cream 6mg nicotine and Chocolate Banan mint 6mg nicotine that i vape but it make me cough very much at 25w above. i don't know what to do with that 100ml right now. just to throw it away or steep it til reduce nicotine on it own :( ? this makes me really sad i can't vape right now. so 0 nicotine it doesn't make cough and it goes fine ? Thanks bro
I checked out the link you supplied in the Eliquid Subforum. Vanilla cream 6mg cough Vaping after clean coil used ''strong menthol ice''
I didn't respond there because I'm not familiar with the juice or the website.

That juice in the link was greatly discounted? Why? :blink: Was it a bad batch?

Some companies sell bad e-liquid. It would help some if you said what juice attachment you were using, and what ohm coils you are using. Your idea of "steep it til reduce nicotine on it own" won't work. But my guess there is nothing you could do to make this juice vapable.
 

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I checked out the link you supplied in the Eliquid Subforum. Vanilla cream 6mg cough Vaping after clean coil used ''strong menthol ice''
I didn't respond there because I'm not familiar with the juice or the website.

That juice was greatly discounted? Why? :blink: Was it a bad batch?

A lot of companies sell bad e-liquid. It would help some if you said what juice attachment you were using, and what ohm coils you are using. But my guess there is nothing you could do to make this juice vapable.
hmm well i guess it's bad e juie too maybe. 0.30ohm and Micro-CLP2 coil. or maybe i just keep it opened bottle on refrigerator and see what it can do lol. how f*@#ed am i =_=...
 

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6mg/ml nic 50/50 pg/vg + .3Ω + 25+w = harsh for most folks.

You can dilute it to 3 mg/ml nic by adding equal amount of the same flavor in 0 nic.
well,there's nothing i can do. i've ordered several 100ml bottles and it's 3mg nicotine and i hope it's OKAY.
how shame am i? i wasted a couple of my bucks on low price with low quality. just wanted a 50 or 100ml with good quality e juice but it came worst. MUCH cough and it's very bad. can't vape just sitting and youtubing around again.
so i just order 30ml x6 just for usable monthly better than low quality cheap price.
 

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Sorry about that. You aren't the first person to buy some bad juice, and you won't be the last.
well. now it was my first and it's last mistake i made now =-=''... won't make any mistake in next month of order online with cheap price.
just gonna order 30ml for usable and safety. do you think that 100ml is taste well or yuck ? some great steep and blended e juice doesn't available on 100ml. as Liqua brand ejuice my first time vaping e-cig 10w is very taste ejuice but bit expensive and small bottle, it doesn't describe as 30ml as i see on bottle is tiny small like 20ml somehow. can't find else where ejuice is a good quality and bit cheap suitable price. just gonna find it anyway. a high quality ejuice like cosmic fog and vaporfi are so expensive for 30ml per bottle. i'm online shopping and i order for myself and if my friend or someone need ejuice where can i find good online with suitable price for me? if you have share some! if you don't it's OKAY bro. Vape on and Thanks much.
 

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I'm in the USA, so I don't have a clue where vapers in your neck of the woods get their juice.

You might inquire in one of these forums for a good e-liquid line that you can get.

Thailand Forum

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well this looks good. nearby country. Thanks bro. Appreciated ! i know how it feels to order from far away overseas.
 
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Being located on Asia Major, your friendly Republic of China next door has a great resource

You can check out Fasttech.com have to be careful here though, highly cautioned
Anything with "Authentic" in their listings is authentic from the actual manufacturer, so especially look for that when buying batteries
Anything with "Type" in the name is a clone
They offer juices, mostly from manufacturers like Hangsen and such, if the price is to cheap to be true compared to others on any item, be cautious and buyer beware, read the reviews of other customers on any product you are looking at to see what the feed back is, all in all Fasttech here in the US is called SnailTech, but being so close your shipping should be only days instead of weeks.
 
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Being located on Asia Major, your friendly Republic of China next door has a great resource

You can check out Fasttech.com have to be careful here though, highly cautioned
Anything with "Authentic" in their listings is authentic from the actual manufacturer, so especially look for that when buying batteries
Anything with "Type" in the name is a clone
They offer juices, mostly from manufacturers like Hangsen and such, if the price is to cheap to be true compared to others on any item, be cautious and buyer beware, read the reviews of other customers on any product you are looking at to see what the feed back is, all in all Fasttech here in the US is called SnailTech, but being so close your shipping should be only days instead of weeks.
Fasttech and Gearbest are my two favorite options to order from but now i've to be more careful and patient and look details more carefully now. FT have almost everything but slow packaging and very slow customer service. it's take like month to reply my support ticket and GB only take half of days of one day to reply mine. well both have different experience service, so no wonder. just to be careful that's will goes fine. Life goes on. Mistake will remember til death lol. =_=
 
The H-Priv though it claims 220watts, it is hype, as there are no 18650 batteries that can handle full output, amps increase as the battery charge decreases.

220watts/6.4volts (3.2volts lowest charge per battery)=34.375/90% mod chipset efficiency=38.19444_ final amps (no battery can hold this amp load continuously, maybe for 1 second but that is it, battery shifts down to CDR)
220watts/7.1volts (3.55volts lowest charge per battery)=30.9859/90% mod chipset efficiency=34.4288 final amps (again, not even the Sony VTC3 1600mah, or LG HB2/HB4/HB6 1500mah true 30amp CDR batteries can handle this mod safely at full output)
Full 30amps that will run safely at 220watts you would not a full useful charge with it, by Ohm's Law, 220watts @ 30amps Continuous = 7.33volts lowest combined battery voltage at 0.24ohms.

Kooper Primus on the other hand being 3x battery series
300watts/9.6v (3.2v per battery)=31.25/90%=34.722222_ final amps
300watts/9.9v (3.3v per battery)=30.3030/90%=33.67 final amps
300watts/10.2v (3.4v per battery)=29.4118/90%=32.6797 final amps
300watts/10.5v (3.5v per battery)=28.5174/90%=31.746 final amps
300watts/10.8v (3.6v per battery)=27.7778/90%=30.8642 final amps
To get full 300watts @ 30amps CDR the battery cut off would need to be 10v and a resistance of 0.33ohms

Personally IMO to reach potential 220watts or higher with current battery technology with 18650 batteries, or at least do it safely. 220watts the H-Priv should have been a triple batteries series configuration, the Kooper Primus to get to 300watts it needs 4x batteries in series or a 2 set of dual battery series with the two sleds combined in parallel. Shift down from 6th and 5th gear to normal street 4th gear for now, research the devices and batteries better before making your purchase and getting yourself into trouble. If you are also following the hype of batteries offered by such companies such as Efest (biggest offender of over speccing their re-wrapped batteries), IMRen, Basen, Eizfan or any other battery company other than real manufacturers everyone buys from (these are Sony, LG, and Samsung), no one makes a 35, 40, 45, 50 amp Continuous Discharge Rated 18650, the 4 highest are the Sony VTC3, and the LG HB Series (HB2/HB4/HB6), all other companies buy up mostly the B and C bin discards that didn't pass authentic muster for Sony, LG, or Samsung to slap their own label on. Basic rule of thumb at the moment, to get CDR amps you have to sacrifice Mah and run time, to get Mah and run time you have to sacrifice amps and CDR.

Link in my signature has listings of the most trusted batteries on the market by application, also check out @Mooch and @Baditude 's blogs, they have a bunch of valuable information as well.

Not trying to make a scare here, but seriously be safe out there, those two mods could be potentially dangerous, especially being released this close to the Aug 8 FDA Deeming Regulations deadline, makes me worry they have not been tested properly, that is a lot of power.

Sony may be pulling out. Heard that somewhere; don't remember where. I' think he needs an extension cord; not batteries.
 

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Sony may be pulling out. Heard that somewhere; don't remember where. I' think he needs an extension cord; not batteries.

Sony is selling its battery business to Murata. Unclear what the new owners will do regarding production or changing the current sales model. I expect they won't make any big changes for a while after taking it over. Longer term is up to them.
 
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