Looking for a Tank to go with a 220 - 300 Watt Battery

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Thomas M

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Hey Thomas.
Being UK based I've some idea of what's available here. You may want to spend some time in the vape shop.
The larger three cell mods can be a pain to carry around. There's lots of newer tanks for high wattage dtl (direct to lung) vaping that are really delivering flavour and wicking high vg juice well. Smok tanks often make a huge cloud but are a little lacking in flavour (the more modest baby beast with its 0.4 Q range coils are very good) also the quality of smok coils is very hit and miss which isn't great for the price. The good news is the baby beast size coils are now a very common size coil for other manufacturers which are more reliable.
Have a look at the planet of the vapes forum in the UK for some local bargains and discount codes.
Shout if you need anything.
Good luck.

Thanks Black Wings, the size is another thing I forgot all about ha, would have to buy a handbag for it next :D but I do quite like the Voopoo just shown here by Tailland. The display and everything is super cool. I'll defo check out that forum anyway. Will probably head into a shop tomorrow and have a good look, but I doubt they'd be as up to date as online, might get lucky
 

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I've heard that when using vapers that produce huge clouds, the recommended nicotine level is way less, such as about 3mg since it would be too strong otherwise??
Right you are! I used to smoke up to four packs a day and I can tell you a big hit with 24mg in a sub-ohm tank will make you think you just got hit between the eyes with a sledge hammer.
@Shawn Hoefer is probably the one you need to ask about tanks, hope he'll chime in.
 

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Right you are! I used to smoke up to four packs a day and I can tell you a big hit with 24mg in a sub-ohm tank will make you think you just got hit between the eyes with a sledge hammer.
@Shawn Hoefer is probably the one you need to ask about tanks, hope he'll chime in.
Sounds like a lovely experience :D Will keep that in mind
 

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Thomas M, you may wish to consider the Nicotine level of the liquid you're using then. As with higher levels you'll satisfy your cravings.

This can even be done using MTL stealth vapes, and they produce very little vapour. Folks use Nicotine levels of around 24mg/ml.

I've heard that when using vapers that produce huge clouds, the recommended nicotine level is way less, such as about 3mg since it would be too strong otherwise??
 
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Hi

I have been vaping for a few years, normally using a battery that uses an average of 13 watts, but I'd like to move up to one that produces a huge amount of smoke. I'd also like to get a reasonably big hit, and ideally to be able to change it (maybe more than simply turning down the voltage) so I can use it in smoking areas or when around people. Not too fussy about either DL or MTL, when I take a pull, I may hold a bit before inhaling, but it's not intentional. Didn't even think there was a difference until hearing of it recently.

I have heard you need to pick a tank and/or coil that can support the higher voltage, and I'm looking at a choice of battery at either 220 watts or 300 watts. The higher the better I feel. Regardless of the tank I choose, can I just buy coils or atomizers that support the higher watts and stick them in instead? And finally am I good to go once I have both the battery and the tank (which comes with a coil)?

From what I've found, the most obvious based on the description would be "Aspire Cleito 120", it says "Rated at 120 Watts, intense flavor and gigantic vapor production, and it's ideal for cloud chasers". Sounds like what I want. However I imagine I can't use the 300 watt battery at it's highest setting is that correct?

Also found; ASPIRE REVVO, SMOK HELMET,

Nautilus X with a U-Tech coil, which are 1.5Ω and are rated for use at 14-20 watts, which I imagine counts this one out (however I heard many people like this).
And finally, Innokin Zenith D22, which says;
comes with two different coils to tailor your vaping experience.
– One 1.6 Ohm Kanthal coil for a cooler vape at lower wattages.
– One .8 Ohm Kanthal coil for a slightly warmer vape and slightly higher wattages. I imagine this too, only supports lower watt batteries.

Also, how do I know what liquid to get? Have been told it's not as straight forward as the basic types and you need to look at VG and so on.

Any help much appreciated

Thanks

It all depends on budget, whether or not you rebuild yourself or if you rely on coil heads.

If you are relying on coil heads - I will advise you NOT to use the "Max wattage" as the coil heads will be prone to burning out quicker - if you are on the rebuilding side, then my advice is and always has been "Just because it can, doesn't mean you should."

Wattage in and of itself doesn't always equate to big clouds. If you are looking for clouds, you need a few things besides watts. Listed below:

1. Build - Obviously. Elaborate coils can produce some killer flavor and vapor if powered correctly. They can also be on par in vapor and flavor production with regular builds.

2. Juice - the higher the VG, the less the flavor (unless it's a VG based flavor - usually found with single flavored juices), but the bigger the clouds. PG is a flavor carrier, a throat thumper, and less of a cloud producer. For clouds with flavor, I'd say no more than a 70VG / 30PG blend. For SHEER cloud volume with minimal to no flavor, 80VG or higher.

3. Airflow - DUH. Usually cloud chasers run RDA's. RDA's have little to no constrictions (chambers, bell housings, etc.) and have almost limitless airflow options. There's one caveat though. Max airflow doesn't equate to huge clouds. You need just enough air to keep the coils cool but not so much that it cools the coils faster than the juice can be vaporized.

4. Batteries - Ah, the most overlooked thing in your arsenal. Batteries. People tend to overlook these, as they think you can take ANY battery and use it in ANY device - this is FALSE. You should choose your batteries wisely. If you are looking to draw a lot of AMPS to power your build, maybe choose a higher AMP battery. Granted, you may not get the lifetime you want, but you'll definitely be running on the SAFE side of vaping. What clouds will you be chucking if you have no face or teeth?

5. Device - You need a solid device to go chasing clouds. The choices are endless. For cloud chasing, I'd recommend either a series or a DNA-250C (with international firmware and either a LiPo battery pack or a 3+ battery device) you can hit 300 Watts easily. A series mod can run at 8.4V "peak" (when the batteries are fully charged) and 7.4V "nominal" (after the batteries begin discharging to their default of 3.7V per battery). Series mods may be too much for many people.

When you combine those 5 things, you will get some wicked results. As for the difference between MTL and DL. MTL is focused more towards people that like a tighter draw and are usually smokers trying to quit. MTL tanks (Kayfun Lite, Prime, and most genesis atty's) don't produce the vapor you may be looking for. DL is direct lung inhalation. Usually more "turbulent" or "airy" and can be for anybody that likes a less restrictive draw. These atty's include most drippers, sub-ohm tanks, RDTA's, and a lot of RTA's.

As for nic strength - it all depends on what you're capable of handling. I got a friend who can chuck clouds with 16mg/ml and higher. Me, I can handle a 6-9mg/ml and satisfy nicotine cravings. 0-3mg/ml is too weak for me and would make me agitated.
 
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Thanks Black Wings, the size is another thing I forgot all about ha, would have to buy a handbag for it next :D but I do quite like the Voopoo just shown here by Tailland. The display and everything is super cool. I'll defo check out that forum anyway. Will probably head into a shop tomorrow and have a good look, but I doubt they'd be as up to date as online, might get lucky
I think voopoo are on that forum and are running some deals currently.
Daddy pig make some great liquids up in northern Ireland if your looking to keep costs down as remember. Big coils and higher wattage mean more juice consumption.
There's so many modern mesh coil tanks that will offer far more vapour at 40-50w than last year's huge coils that required 80-100w. Have a look at the freemax mesh tank (there's a review in the review section of that forum).
 

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I've heard that when using vapers that produce huge clouds, the recommended nicotine level is way less, such as about 3mg since it would be too strong otherwise??

Generally speaking, the lower the ohms, the higher the watts, the lower the nic. That said, I use 6-9 mg/ml nic with lower ohm coils - about .2. As a former heavy smoker, it’s not a problem.

I also use 1.2 - 1.6 ohm coils at around 10 watts with up to 25mg/ml salts. Not cloudy, but great for the cravings. And when I first quit, I used 24 mg/ml freebase. That’s what it took to keep me off the smokes.

Just saying all this because nic levels are flexible, don’t think you can’t go higher than 3mg if you need it.
 

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Thanks again guys, I'll see what I can get in the shop with regards to the tank types mentioned here, but if anyone has any idea of how I could get the X217 sent to or in Ireland, please share. I imagine I could order from the UK but it would take a while to get here I'd say. @Black wings, I couldn't find any deals for that mod on that forum unfortunately. It'll be a tough one to pick up in the shops I'd say since it's only just released
 

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Are you dead set on a X217? What devices are available locally if you have concerns with shipping?

Also take note of the batteries – you want to ensure you use the correct cells for the wattage you plan to run at.
Yup, 99.9% sure anyway. It looks class. When you say devices, do you mean tanks? I'm not 100% sure, I haven't spoke to them in the shops in as much detail as here and didn't know what to look for at the time. But I'd say they would have some pretty good stuff. I'm sure they have the Dynamo I mentioned here earlier, which also looks brilliant. Only saw that on a website for a shop in town so may not be there.
 

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Yup, 99.9% sure anyway. It looks class. When you say devices, do you mean tanks? I'm not 100% sure, I haven't spoke to them in the shops in as much detail as here and didn't know what to look for at the time. But I'd say they would have some pretty good stuff. I'm sure they have the Dynamo I mentioned here earlier, which also looks brilliant. Only saw that on a website for a shop in town so may not be there.

I don't mind the shipping though once it doesn't take two weeks or something. Just a pity there doesn't seem to be any Irish online store for X217, and even the UK and US sites don't seem to have them available yet if I am correct
 

Thomas M

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When I say device I am referring to the mod. Guess I could have just said mod…my bad!

The X217 is fairly new – can’t speak on its availability but it might be limited at this point of time. Haven’t seen it in Canadian stores either so just speculating!
Yeah same thoughts here. I may just go with the Dynamo (plenty other better ones too)
Since seeing the X217 I've lost my interest in the Dynamo looking at it now :D Whatever I end up with, in a few weeks time I can upgrade to the X217, I don't think I should be getting into too much of a fuss about it :D
 

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Thinking about it.. since you want a kit to take with you when you go out, specifically to curb your urge to smoke, and not simply a kit that lasts you all day, you could make use of a smaller 1*21700 mod, a baby-beast compatible atty (like the cool new Advken OWL), coils of your choice (up to 110W, fitting the battery specs) AND instead of wasting more space/weight/money on more watts, you could instead make your juice more aggressive, meaning higher PG ratio and higher nic ratio.

Then again, someone already mentioned it - if you have a 14mg/ml liquid (or what it was that you vape right now), and you intend to use this now on a serious subohm setup - you are asking for it ^^ But apparently, that's exactly what you want...

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Single 21700 (110W max) with baby-beast-compatible Advken OWL top-airflow atty on it.. and a pack of Vaporesso GT8 coils (110W max, also baby-beast-compatible ^^) waiting to be opened up...
 
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Thomas M, Smoant Naboo is a smaller 2×18650 mod that may interest you.

And for tanks with stock coils Freemax Mesh Pro to Vaporesso Skrr (non TPD version with 8ml bubble glass) using GT Mesh coils.

A cheap place to get loads of gear from is fasttech, a Chinese based webstore with a large range of vaping gear. Shipping takes ages, but is free with e-packet.

And with any liquid, you can always add Nicotine Shots to increase the Nicotine level. So as we're advising, start low and increase if you need to until you get to the level that suits you.

But I hope you find something that suits you.
 

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You've already received a lot of good advice. Not a lot I can add.

The TFV12 Cloud Beast King or iJoy XL are going to be the Subohm tanks most receptive of high wattage vaping.

Thing is, you don't need high wattage for a satisfying, cloudy vape. The clouds produced is not a factor of wattage alone. The surface area of the coil plays a huge roll. To that end, a mesh coil rated around 100 watts can fog up a room just as easily as a 200+ watt round wire coil. Vaping at lower wattage will extend the life of your mod, your batteries, and your coils. With that in mind, your options really start to open up... Freeman Mesh, Horizon Falcon, TFV12 Prince all have decent mesh coils available. Needing less wattage to produce the same kind of clouds also opens up your mod options... I wouldn't by anything VooPoo... It's purely personal as I do not approve of their marketing although their mods are OK. A lot of people dislike Smok mods, but I've had no issues, and the I-Prive offers a lot of flash and function and runs on 18650s, 20700s, or 21700s. The iJoy Captain, iJoy Avenger, and iJoy Diamond all use 18650s or 20700s. The typical 2x700 will give you the amperage of a top of the line 18650 with the battery life of a top of the line 18650... Best of both worlds!

Now, on to nicotine consumption... Think of nicotine as alcohol, and the tank as the glass or straw that it's served in. You would guzzle everclear from a pint glass as it'd kill ya, and much the same can be said for using 24mg in a super Subohm tank. Conversely, you'd get little effect sipping beer from a shot glass (Unless you had dozens of 'em lined up), so running 3mg in a tight mouth-to-lung rig would be frustrating.

Finally, strongly consider taking a look at RTAs or the bigger Subohm tank RBAs. Using your own cotton and coils will save you a lot of money. Even using prebuilt coils (as opposed to drop in coil heads). For instance, my local shop sells mesh coils for around $20 per 3 pack that will likely last no longer than 6 weeks - a real stretch. That same $20 can buy enough cotton and coils to last 6 months with proper care.
 

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Thanks again guys, I'll see what I can get in the shop with regards to the tank types mentioned here, but if anyone has any idea of how I could get the X217 sent to or in Ireland, please share. I imagine I could order from the UK but it would take a while to get here I'd say. @Black wings, I couldn't find any deals for that mod on that forum unfortunately. It'll be a tough one to pick up in the shops I'd say since it's only just released
Just a quick search of the mod in the UK (voopoo 217) showed a few available and shipping to Ireland is no biggie. I send giveaway mods and tanks over all the time and they arrived at a similar time to any UK based post.
Cheapest option is fastech.
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If you choose fastech pay the few extral dollars for faster postage (options are available at the checkout) and you'll have it in under ten days.
Buy it in the UK and you'll pay more but get it in two or three days.
 
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