Help! 5mL batch was great, but 30 mL has very little flavor...

[dliteful]

I am new to DIY and hoping someone here can give me some advice.
Okay so I mixed the following juice as a 5 ml batch and it tasted awesome and had a nice strong flavor!:
Flavourart Raspberry 5% (5 drops)
Flavourart Fresh Cream 2%
70 pg/30vg
16 mg nic

So I went ahead and made a 30 ml batch using the same proportions (this time 30 drops of raspberry, etc). I let it sit for a week and shook the bottle everyday. Tried it today and it had almost no flavor. I'm very confused.
I'm hoping that my problem was getting only flavourart flavorings my first time out of the gate. Not having a lot of luck with them (tried FA pineapple and banana at different percentages and am not satisfied at all).

 

[Levitas]

Did you try the big bottle fresh? Sometimes flavors tend to taste a little off with time. However, it shouldn't be that dramatic in change.

You could try adding more flavoring, a drop at a time?

 

[lilmrsyeti]

I'm not for sure how long you've been off Real Cigs? It's been about 40 days or so for me...and my taste buds are still way off. I can make some juice and it will have no flavor, to me...but to my husband, it tastes great! I personally am not crazy about FA..so far. Made quite a few bottles of juice with them, and can barely taste them...again, just me..hubby says they are fine.

I did read on here though...that over doing it on the flavors will actually make the taste go away...so more is not always better.

 

[dliteful]

I've been off cigs for a little over 4 months. I can taste my premixed juices with no problem, so my taste buds can't be that bad.
I didn't get to taste the 30ml batch fresh.
lilmrsyets, have you mixed up juices from other flavor companies. If so, did you get a better result (i.e. did you find it easier to taste them)?

 

[zoiDman]

I've been off cigs for a little over 4 months. I can taste my premixed juices with no problem, so my taste buds can't be that bad.
I didn't get to taste the 30ml batch fresh.
lilmrsyets, have you mixed up juices from other flavor companies. If so, did you get a better result (i.e. did you find it easier to taste them)?

Not sure what to tell you If all the Ingredients were the same Maker and of the same Batch?

Could there have been a Mixing Error?

I have done "Double Loads" before where I added something like VG in Twice think I had only done it Once.

 

[Jethead]

I don't DIY, and have no experience but my immediate thought was drops are not as precise as measuring by volume based on percentage. AND, as batches get larger the percentage is WAY more accurate way of measuring and mixing juices than drops.

Every single drop contains a different amount, maybe slight, but the more drops the more the variance.

Just a thought.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't DIY, and have no experience but my immediate thought was drops are not as precise as measuring by volume based on percentage. AND, as batches get larger the percentage is WAY more accurate way of measuring and mixing juices than drops.

Every single drop contains a different amount, maybe slight, but the more drops the more the variance.

Just a thought.

I have heard this Conjecture many times before....

But what if the OP made another 5ml Batch and it Tasted like he/she wants. Just like in the Original Mix. Then he/she Repeated the process 5 More Times.

At this point he/she would have Six 5ml Bottles of e-Liquid that all taste Good.

Then the OP dumped each 5ml bottle into a 30ml Bottle. They would have 30ml of e-Liquid. Why would the 30ml of e-Liquid taste Any Different from each or Any of the 5ml Bottles?

I think the Huge Misunderstanding people have about Drops comes from the Confusion between Precision and Accuracy.

 

[zoiDman]

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Every single drop contains a different amount, maybe slight, but the more drops the more the variance.

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BTW - If the Same Dropper is used, the Volumetric Difference between One Drop to Another for a Given Fluid is Staggeringly Precise.

 

[cedric212]

For the initial 5mL test batch, did you also allowed it to steep/airing-out or did you vape it right after mixing? Did you test the 30mL batch before/during steeping? Eliquid's flavor profile does change over time. For me, fruits and minty menthol (TFA) tend to go "meh" very fast, so these I always make small batches and vape them fresh.

 

[crxess]

One trick I used, mostly with tobacco flavors that need steeping. Always transfer a small portion like 10ml to another(smaller) bottle. This one will blend in faster and can be used while the other matures.

Also, for fruits you can actually be over flavoring and steeping will muddle the flavor. I have read but not yet tried, adding lemon drops preserves fruit type flavors for longer periods.

 

[SteamDaddy]

i'm going to have to try the lemon drop method.
i've heard of that before.
my flavors drop off fast as well.
also chain vaping overloads the taste buds, and you lose taste of that flavor pretty quick.
i have to rotate flavors throughout the day to keep my taste.

 

[crxess]

i'm going to have to try the lemon drop method.
i've heard of that before.
my flavors drop off fast as well.
also chain vaping overloads the taste buds, and you lose taste of that flavor pretty quick.
i have to rotate flavors throughout the day to keep my taste.

Same here SteamDaddy. I change flavors almost hourly. keep 3-4 ready to go and on days off I keep hitting the stored juices.

 

[dliteful]

For the initial 5mL test batch, did you also allowed it to steep/airing-out or did you vape it right after mixing? Did you test the 30mL batch before/during steeping? Eliquid's flavor profile does change over time. For me, fruits and minty menthol (TFA) tend to go "meh" very fast, so these I always make small batches and vape them fresh.

I did not steep the 5mL test batch...I vaped it after mixing and it tasted perfect. For the 30mL, I didn't test it and just let it steep for one week before vaping.
The 30mL batch smells really good, but has almost no taste at all.
Question: If a juice tastes great "fresh", can it become "over-flavored" as it sits/steeps for a while?

 

[crxess]

Simple answer - yes. Not always but if you hit the right amount, really good strong flavor right off as the mix melds it will become overpowered and can cancel itself out.
Try this to keep from wasting more mix. Draw off 4 ml into a bottle and add your unflavored mix at 1ml. Give it a warm bath and let set for a day. Test that for flavor strength.
If it is stronger you are over.
If it is the same you are probably way over.
If it gets noticeably weaker you are under.

ETA don't know Flavourart but people comment it seems to be a weaker flavoring.

 

[zoiDman]

I did not steep the 5mL test batch...I vaped it after mixing and it tasted perfect. For the 30mL, I didn't test it and just let it steep for one week before vaping.
The 30mL batch smells really good, but has almost no taste at all.
Question: If a juice tastes great "fresh", can it become "over-flavored" as it sits/steeps for a while?

Ahhh Ha...

The Mystery has be Unraveled.

The Large Majority of DIY e-Liquids change Flavor within the first 72 Hours. Most of the Flavors I use tend to become Stronger tasting. That is why a person should let a Freshly made mix sit for awhile before Testing it or Tweaking the Recipe.

Best to do a Mix, Record it, Wait 3 or 4 Days, Test It, Record Results, Tweak if Necessary, Update Recipe, Wait 3 or 4 Days, Repeat if Needed.

DIY takes a certain amount of Patience and Highly Detailed Records.

 

[zoiDman]

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ETA don't know Flavourart but people comment it seems to be a weaker flavoring.

I like FA because it seems to be More "Forgiving" that most of the other Flavorings I have used.

By Forgiving I mean that if I add a Little too much, the Flavor is retained, just stronger. Where as if I add a Little to much LorAnn's the taste becomes Chemical.

There seems to be a Very Fine Line of Too Much flavor with some Flavorings. Where with FA, that line is Blurred.