Help me pick the right E-Cig for someone to quit smoking.

[JohnnyScience]

Hello everyone, new to E-Cigs, but the SO has showed much interest in quitting smoking to get healthier & really wants to try this route as it seems very successful.

Neither one really know much about them other than its water vapor you inhale.

She suggested she wanted the "Blu Smoke" or something.

How does that one fall into place?

But I've got a couple of requirements I think I'd like to see out of one:

Just have to inhale, no button needed
Rechargeable battery that lasts at least all day
Easy to refill in a way that isnt messy.
Is smooth & makes things taste good & not harsh like some of them seem to be.
Price doesnt matter.

Thanks.

 

[zachman894]

ok i wouldnt suggest blu, but one question do you want it to actually look like a cig? if you do the charge on pretty all the regular looking cigs wont last all day on one charge. that being said if you dont care about size id suggest an ego or riva (but those are both manual. if you do care about size of the ecig maybe try vapor4life, they carry both manual and auto batteries and some kits come with two batteries and you can even get a PCC and charge while your out on the go. be warned with auto batteries though they tend to ruin quite easily

edit-- also v4l carries kr808d-1 batt styles, which is a very simple to use product, you get either blank cartomizer which you fill with your own ejuice or just order prefilled cartos and just pop em on a charge battery and your ready to go. that is what i started out with, but many here can provide much better insight im sure.

 

[ShannonA]

Hello everyone, new to E-Cigs, but the SO has showed much interest in quitting smoking to get healthier & really wants to try this route as it seems very successful.

Neither one really know much about them other than its water vapor you inhale.

She suggested she wanted the "Blu Smoke" or something.

How does that one fall into place?

But I've got a couple of requirements I think I'd like to see out of one:

Just have to inhale, no button needed
Rechargeable battery that lasts at least all day
Easy to refill in a way that isnt messy.
Is smooth & makes things taste good & not harsh like some of them seem to be.
Price doesnt matter.

Thanks.

Blu is not known for its quality or its customer service. There are much better models out there. If you tell us how much she smokes for how long, what kind of cigs, and how important it is that it looks like a cigarette. That would give us a starting point for reccomending a better one.

 

[Digs]

No electronic cigarette battery the size of a cigarette is going to last you all day unless you vape very little. You'll need to get something at least as big as an eGo 650 mAh or more depending on how much you vape. Those are still pretty small though, a few mm smaller than a dime in diameter.

I would really recommend one with a button since the automatic ones have the potential to be ruined if juice gets in it. I'm not even sure you can get an automatic mod that would last you more than a few hours... all I've seen are the small cigarette sized ones.

You'll probably want to use a cartomizer. Those are simple, easy to fill, and should last you a few hours before you need to refill. If you can deal with small batteries that you have to replace a couple times a day you may want to look at a Bloog Maxxfusion. They are automatic and supposedly the batteries last longer than others the same size. Some people swear by these things.

 

[ShannonA]

No electronic cigarette battery the size of a cigarette is going to last you all day unless you vape very little. You'll need to get something at least as big as an eGo 650 mAh or more depending on how much you vape. Those are still pretty small though, a few mm smaller than a dime in diameter.

I would really recommend one with a button since the automatic ones have the potential to be ruined if juice gets in it. I'm not even sure you can get an automatic mod that would last you more than a few hours... all I've seen are the small cigarette sized ones.

You'll probably want to use a cartomizer. Those are simple, easy to fill, and should last you a few hours before you need to refill. If you can deal with small batteries that you have to replace a couple times a day you may want to look at a Bloog Maxxfusion. They are automatic and supposedly the batteries last longer than others the same size. Some people swear by these things.

+1 on the cartomizer.

 

[rimallik]

IMO you should give up on some of the things you are looking for. If you are stuck on buying a auto battery and it looking like a real cigarette (I don't know about look) you will end up spending more money upgrading until you find something that you actually like. I had to buy 3 different e-cigs until I found one that was perfect for me.

I started with one that looked like a cig (like blu) and the battery life and vapor production did not cut it. Not even close. I bought an 801 which actually improved the vapor and battery life but did not last as long as I would have liked. I then bought the eGo-T kit with some 510 atomizers and I was in business.

If I had to pick for you I would choose and Joye eGo mainly because of the super awesome battery life and the versatility of the package. You can use regular 510 atomizers, low resistance 510 atomizers, the mega atomizers or tank atomizers. I personally like the tank system for ease of use and lack of mess but other members have definitely had their share of problems with them. And trust me the manual batteries with the button is not that big of a deal. I wasn't sure if I would like them but after using manual batteries I would never go back to the automatic ones. The best price I have found on the eGo is on iVape.net - iVape Personal Vaporizers, Electronic Cigarettes, E-liquid, and Accessories - Entrance..

When it comes down to less irritating vapor just get yourself some good VG juice. PG is harsher for me. Good luck!

 

[zachman894]

i too started with a cheaper product, which did work for me but after a few weeks only did not cut it and i very quickly got over the size of the whole device, i too am currently on an ego/ ego-t and i looove it as well. for the original poster we simply need more details before we can give much more advice than already given =/

 

[VapingRulz]

Your "must have" list is fairly typical for someone who's new to vaping, but it's unrealistic. No cigarette-sized battery will last all day and manual e-cigs are a much better idea because they work better and you're less likely to ruin the battery when you refill.

A great starter e-cig would be the 2-piece KR808D-1 from Vapor4Life with a couple of XL batteries. Lots of flavors of cartomizers and liquids to choose from, great customer service, and they are very simple and trouble-free for newbies. They also taste great and have VG choices for smoother vaping. (But at the expense of throat hit.)

The larger battery models like the Ego, Riva, and Igo are probably going to be off-putting to your SO in the beginning stages. I have both the VaporKing (KR808D-1) and the Igo. Both work great but the battery life of the Igo is much, much better - but it is fairly large and I know that many new vapers aren't ready for that yet.

 

[bwood12043]

I can also attest to the fact that if at all possible go with a manual battery, with the button. It is very easy to get used to and works so much better. I wish there had been manual batteries when I started vaping and maybe I wouldn't have a whole box of non-working batteries.

I also agree on the fact that although most of us had the same desires on size and performance when we first started, we quickly found out that performance becomes key.

The KR808 models work rather well for many, and an option to getting a battery that will last all day is to supplement battery life with a passthrough battery for when you are at a computer, in a vehicle or near an electrical outlet. We can give you more info on that if you are interested.

I know that in the beginning a new vaper is so overwhelmed by all the choices, but most end up with a unit that is KR808 or 510 compatible with manual batteries, either cartomizer or drip tip or a combination of both depending on their needs. Most of us here who have been vaping for a while (over 2.5 years for me, with over 2 years analog free) just want to help others take advantage of our experience and not make the same mistakes we did, thus not having a room full of equipment that does not satisfy.

Good luck in your adventure and please to ask for more information.

 

[MickeyRat]

If it looks like a cigarette, smokes like a cigarette, tastes like a cigarette, and is as trouble free as a cigarette, it's a cigarette. It's not a PV. We'll help you but, there's nothing that meets your requirements despite what blu says on their website. The requirements I'll tell you to drop are the ones that no one wants to drop starting out. Oddly enough, they are usually the first requirements to go once you get started. Save yourself some money. Forget about cigarette sized and go with the manual button.

 

[texastumbleweed]

GOGO at CigEasy or Nhaler..................THE BEST PV ever!

 

[Sainted_S]

I think her requirements are what smokers fear they will "have" to have to switch to vaping. I know that I was afraid of investing money if it wasn't going to work for me, so I too didn't go with a bigger battery in the beginning. Sorry for all the men out there, but size does matter--at least when it comes to vaping.

Just have to inhale, no button needed-
It is worse to have a non-functional battery than to have to push a button. I have automatics, but I rarely use them and when you start vaping you quickly become accustomed to the button.

Rechargeable battery that lasts at least all day
I go through 2-3 charges on a standard ego/riva a day. A 1100mah ego battery would probably last me most of the day.

Easy to refill in a way that isnt messy.
Cartos with a syringe or a self-feeding mod would be the easiest ways I know of to refill that are quick and easy.

Is smooth & makes things taste good & not harsh like some of them seem to be.
Keeping a wet atty or cart is the best way for it not to be harsh. I have used standard cartOs and hate the taste and draw, I highly recommend the boge soft tip LR cartos, but for those you cannot use a small battery.

Price doesnt matter.
I would look into a self-feeding mod like the reo (but they are pretty hard to get). Price is not the defining factor in vaping, some vendors charge an arm and a leg for a inferior product, while others sell solid kits at very modest prices. In vaping it is true that price doesn't matter. I can spend $200 on a greensmoke or smoking everywhere kit that is sub par or spend $30 at liberty flights for a riva that will last for months--I've been vaping about 10 months and have had only one riva battery die on me due to a bad atty.

 

[Gardner808]

I do not understand what I see so often here. Someone actually lists what they are looking for and many posts go on to tell the person they are wrong and they don't really want those things. And if they knew what was good for them they would just buy such and such.

Mods are not for everyone. Analog like designs are viable and effective for vaping. Not every new vaper must have a product with the word "Go" in it.

When I started vaping I wanted something that was in the size range of a cigarette and would allow me to carry out the rituals of smoking. I tried Blu first on a suggestion from the person that introduced me to e-cigs. It was a failure and I never stopped smoking.

Then, from research here I found the KR808D-1. I selected the company that I felt had the most reliable and cutting edge product in that design and bought it. I have not had a cigarette since the day I received it. I enjoy vaping with it. I like the smoking like experience from holding it.

This person is looking for an alternative to smoking. But first, they have to stop smoking. I believe this is more easily achieved by a product that simulates smoking more closely allowing an easier transition.

Good luck and happy vaping!

 

[LilWhip]

What id suggest is a 510 t system with a pcc like volcanos magma t kit. It comes with one auto batt(redisgned to reduce risk of flooding) and a manual batt. Its easy to fill pretty much dummy proof and sleek looking, the pcc (portable charging case) is designed to the size of a pack of smokes and has an led screen that will not only show you the charge of the case but also showd you the charge on your batt. Although the batteries themselves only last an hour or so each with the pcc you could easily be out all day and not have to worry.

 

[Cisme]

Deja Vu! My newbie requirements matched yours. When I finally decided on the new Bloog (auto batt and great cartos according to reviews), the starter kits were sold out. I went back to researching for a second choice. I came across a thread much like this one, the pros and cons the same. What seemed to be consistant was that newbies generally want a "cig experience" and almost always upgrade within a month or so. Waste of money.

I'm very thrifty. I didn't want to waste my money. I don't want to fuss. I settled on a 510 carto pv that would last 6-8 hours. It was black. It didn't even have the glowing little end. It was manual. I fell in love with it. A big upside I didn't realize at the time was that when I'm in public there is no mistaking I'm smoking an analog. Who doesn't get tired of people giving you dirty looks and lectures about how you're killing yourself and them?! Instead, people were interested in what that little device was....

Less than a week later I upgraded to the bigger GoGo which lasts more than a day and has a huge carto. No fuss. No PCC to carry around and wondering what's charged and what needs charging. Simple. And people are fascinated to learn what it is I have in my hand.

As a newbie myself, that's my experience. I'm glad I rethought what I wanted in an ecig, particularly the manual battery. I'm always overfilling the cartos. I imagine I would have killed quite a few batteries by now.

It is not smoking, it's vaping. Whatever you decide, have fun with it. It's a marvelous journey.

 

[Sainted_S]

I do not understand what I see so often here. Someone actually lists what they are looking for and many posts go on to tell the person they are wrong and they don't really want those things. And if they knew what was good for them they would just buy such and such.

Mods are not for everyone. Analog like designs are viable and effective for vaping. Not every new vaper must have a product with the word "Go" in it.

When I started vaping I wanted something that was in the size range of a cigarette and would allow me to carry out the rituals of smoking. I tried Blu first on a suggestion from the person that introduced me to e-cigs. It was a failure and I never stopped smoking.

Then, from research here I found the KR808D-1. I selected the company that I felt had the most reliable and cutting edge product in that design and bought it. I have not had a cigarette since the day I received it. I enjoy vaping with it. I like the smoking like experience from holding it.

This person is looking for an alternative to smoking. But first, they have to stop smoking. I believe this is more easily achieved by a product that simulates smoking more closely allowing an easier transition.

Good luck and happy vaping!

I don't think we are trying to push anything with the word "go" in it. I was addressing the requirements for this particular person. There is no standard size battery out there that will last a day without being recharged, maybe a 510 mega can go 4 hours for me, but certainly not a day. The PCC is a good idea for someone that goes with the standard size batteries, but they need to be switched out during the day. Auto batteries will fail if they get juice inside, how will it help someone make the switch if it is dead? Many people do caution against a slim battery because they are very limiting as far as vaping go. They do have the ability to help you make the switch, but you can't use LR atties or cartos on them for instance. I was fine with my 510 Mega for about a month, but I found it lacking. We speak from experience with the slim batteries and we give the reasons why we are making these suggestions. I beg to differ, a PV that is reliable and doesn't require so much work is easier for someone making the switch. Not very many people complain, "I bought an eGo, but it was too big and bulky and the battery lasted too long--so I went to a 510." Personally, I would probably start with a self-feeding mod had I known what I know now when I started, but I am happy with my egos and rivas and perhaps when they die I will invest in a reo.

 

[mlinky]

I do not understand what I see so often here. Someone actually lists what they are looking for and many posts go on to tell the person they are wrong and they don't really want those things. And if they knew what was good for them they would just buy such and such.

If there was a product that matched what the OP listed, then not only would we be recommending it, we would all be using it. As is, all of the posters are trying to offer suggestions based, not on meeting the OP's (impossible) original list, but on what attributes they felt were important after they started vaping, including you.

 

[Frick]

I was addressing the requirements for this particular person.

This particular person wants a PV that resembles a cigarette. Such product exists in KR808D-1 form. With a PCC that holds two batteries, even a heavy smoker will be fine for a 24-hour period. I know this from experience helping people get into vaping. I often hear people say "but you have to change batteries!". Yes, and you had to light a cigarette when you wanted one. Both acts take a few seconds.

There is no standard size battery out there that will last a day without being recharged, maybe a 510 mega can go 4 hours for me, but certainly not a day.

You mention the PCC. It's not only a good idea, it works very well and is in common use by a lot of long-time vapers. There are numerous styles and mAh-rating models available to suit just about anyone, and most are about the size of a pack of cigarettes...and you don't need a lighter.

Auto batteries will fail if they get juice inside, how will it help someone make the switch if it is dead?

A tiny amount of caution prevents juice damage to batteries, at least KR808D-1 batteries. If you visit any of the 808 sub-forums, you'll see very, very few complaints about dead batteries from juice intrusion.

Many people do caution against a slim battery because they are very limiting as far as vaping go. They do have the ability to help you make the switch, but you can't use LR atties or cartos on them for instance.

A person who's trying to quit analogs has very little concern about LR attys or cartos; they want something that emulates the smoking experience, provides smoke-like vapor and TH, and doses them with nicotine.

I was fine with my 510 Mega for about a month, but I found it lacking. We speak from experience with the slim batteries and we give the reasons why we are making these suggestions.

The 510 Mega is a 280 mAh unit at 3.2V. KR808D-1 batteries are available in the following:
65mm: 220 mAh
78mm: 320 mAh
102mm: 420 mAh

They run 4.2V off the charger, and settle in at 3.7V (other than Bloog's batteries, which are regulated at 3.6V).

I list these stats because, IMO, the 510 is an inefficient design for its size. 808 users are getting higher voltage and more mAh in the same sized unit.

I beg to differ, a PV that is reliable and doesn't require so much work is easier for someone making the switch.

There is nothing as simple and reliable as pre-filled cartos and auto batteries. I speak from experience. How complicated were cigarettes? Open the pack, grab one and light it.

Not very many people complain, "I bought an eGo, but it was too big and bulky and the battery lasted too long--so I went to a 510.

Okay, I'll be one. My first PV purchase was the first week of January. I bought a 510 kit and an eGo kit from Cignot on the same day. I went through LR attys, cart mods too numerous to mention, several hundred dollars worth of juices...I gave it a go.

I didn't stop smoking until I got my KR808D-1. I have a mini-PCC the size of an iPhone, four batteries and dozens of easily-refillable cartos. I'm very happy to be an ex-smoker with this PV.

I'm one of the people who needed the "cigarette-like" feel of a cig-style PV. Others are the same; the habit isn't just nicotine, it's that physical act of smoking. A cig-style PV provides that, is reliable and very easy to maintain. I'm hooked.

 

[Gardner808]

I was gonna respond but ^Frick^ said it better than I ever could.

 

[VapingRulz]

I agree with you on most of your points except for the type of battery. Most people who have not vaped assume that the automatic battery is easiest because there's no button to worry about. They assume that it's the best bet - but it's really not. I hate-hate-hate auto batteries and I have from the beginning. If that's all I'd ordered, I don't think it would have worked out for me. The manuals give the vaper more control. I think that's an important thing to point out to the OP.