Help me pick the right E-Cig for someone to quit smoking.

[Gardner808]

It is an important consideration but it is still very subjective.

I for one have used auto batteries exclusively by design. I want an analog experience and the auto emulates that. Will I ever get manual batteries? Eventually, but I haven't felt the need yet.

My wife hates technology and fiddly bits. If she had to push a button to vape she would never have even started. As it is, she has been smoke free for 4 months.

My point in all of this is that there isn't ONE solution for every new vaper. And, to be honest, I over generalized the posters in this thread and was speaking more to the pattern I see over and over. I apologize for that.

But if someone is seeking the closest analog e-cig then I don't see how you could push them toward a mod or a "Go" device. The KR808 auto is clearly the most equivalent with widespread presence in the marketplace.

 

[Sainted_S]

This particular person wants a PV that resembles a cigarette. Such product exists in KR808D-1 form. With a PCC that holds two batteries, even a heavy smoker will be fine for a 24-hour period. I know this from experience helping people get into vaping. I often hear people say "but you have to change batteries!". Yes, and you had to light a cigarette when you wanted one. Both acts take a few seconds.

This particular person wants a PV that resembles a PV and lasts all day--there isn't one. I said a PCC was a good idea--it's a necessity really. Changing a battery every two hours is much different than once or twice a day.

A tiny amount of caution prevents juice damage to batteries, at least KR808D-1 batteries. If you visit any of the 808 sub-forums, you'll see very, very few complaints about dead batteries from juice intrusion.

True, but when beginning vaping I know I flooded my atties many, many times and cartos can sometimes leak juice. Why take the chance? With that model, it may not be as common, but in a real world situation with smaller batteries, a person is going to be without a PV longer than with bigger batteries if one of them go. I'm not familiar with the model, but I assume they take about two hours to charge? You get two in a kit, one of them go you'll be charging for 2 hours, vaping for 2 hours. With a bigger battery, if one goes, you'll have 2 hours of charge time and 4-6 hours of vaping.

A person who's trying to quit analogs has very little concern about LR attys or cartos; they want something that emulates the smoking experience, provides smoke-like vapor and TH, and doses them with nicotine.

That may be true for some, but many people feel the need to go to higher voltages or to use LR atties and cartos after a short time. Standard atomizers are impossible for me to gain satisfaction from at this point, just sharing my experience.

The 510 Mega is a 280 mAh unit at 3.2V. KR808D-1 batteries are available in the following:
65mm: 220 mAh
78mm: 320 mAh
102mm: 420 mAh

They run 4.2V off the charger, and settle in at 3.7V (other than Bloog's batteries, which are regulated at 3.6V).

I list these stats because, IMO, the 510 is an inefficient design for its size. 808 users are getting higher voltage and more mAh in the same sized unit.

Okay, I'll be one. My first PV purchase was the first week of January. I bought a 510 kit and an eGo kit from Cignot on the same day. I went through LR attys, cart mods too numerous to mention, several hundred dollars worth of juices...I gave it a go.

I didn't stop smoking until I got my KR808D-1. I have a mini-PCC the size of an iPhone, four batteries and dozens of easily-refillable cartos. I'm very happy to be an ex-smoker with this PV.

I'm one of the people who needed the "cigarette-like" feel of a cig-style PV. Others are the same; the habit isn't just nicotine, it's that physical act of smoking. A cig-style PV provides that, is reliable and very easy to maintain. I'm hooked.

I'm glad you found something that works for you and you shared your experience, just as I shared mine. Perhaps this would be the ideal solution, however, the vast majority of vapors do end up going with larger batteries or mods. For the record I would really recommend a reo, for this vaper, because it seems to be the most hassle-free, simplest way to vape.

 

[swedishfish]

If there was a product that matched what the OP listed, then not only would we be recommending it, we would all be using it. As is, all of the posters are trying to offer suggestions based, not on meeting the OP's (impossible) original list, but on what attributes they felt were important after they started vaping, including you.

OMG, I love you Mlinky!

 

[swedishfish]

It is an important consideration but it is still very subjective.

I for one have used auto batteries exclusively by design. I want an analog experience and the auto emulates that. Will I ever get manual batteries? Eventually, but I haven't felt the need yet.

My wife hates technology and fiddly bits. If she had to push a button to vape she would never have even started. As it is, she has been smoke free for 4 months.

My point in all of this is that there isn't ONE solution for every new vaper. And, to be honest, I over generalized the posters in this thread and was speaking more to the pattern I see over and over. I apologize for that.

But if someone is seeking the closest analog e-cig then I don't see how you could push them toward a mod or a "Go" device. The KR808 auto is clearly the most equivalent with widespread presence in the marketplace.

Probably because people like Sainted_S and Mlinky have been at this a little longer than you have and seen the same question over and over.

People aren't suggesting a certain pv because they want you to join a club or something. They just see people looking for something 'like' a cigarette buying a new kit a few weeks later. If you have a huge disposable income, go for it if it's helps people ease into vaping. But a person that is watching funds or may be frustrated that vaping doesn't live up to it's hype may quit vaping.

My mother insisted on getting something that looked like a cig as well and ended up buying 3 kits in a month. I'm still using the same one I started with and the one she uses most of the time.

 

[mlinky]

It is an important consideration but it is still very subjective.

I for one have used auto batteries exclusively by design. I want an analog experience and the auto emulates that. Will I ever get manual batteries? Eventually, but I haven't felt the need yet.

My wife hates technology and fiddly bits. If she had to push a button to vape she would never have even started. As it is, she has been smoke free for 4 months.

My point in all of this is that there isn't ONE solution for every new vaper. And, to be honest, I over generalized the posters in this thread and was speaking more to the pattern I see over and over. I apologize for that.

But if someone is seeking the closest analog e-cig then I don't see how you could push them toward a mod or a "Go" device. The KR808 auto is clearly the most equivalent with widespread presence in the marketplace.

I understand your frustration, everyone deals with it on some level when reading other people's recommendations. Although the OP said the wife liked the Blu, he didn't say why she liked the Blu or that it needed to look like an analog. That is what you are reading into his requirements, and you may (or may not) be correct in your assumption. I agree that the KR8 is a good solution for many first time vapers, but so is the eGo and 510, all have their strengths and weaknesses.

If I had the money to hand out pvs to every smoker, I'd give them all a REO, but I don't and a lot of new vapers would get really upset with the idea of "sucking on a box." There are people who believe that everyone should own a ProVari. Bottom line is, we are all incredibly grateful for whichever device that is keeping us off cigs. This technology has saved our lives, literally. It evokes some passionate opinions

 

[mlinky]

OMG, I love you Mlinky!

Love you too swedishfish!

 

[VapingRulz]

My point in all of this is that there isn't ONE solution for every new vaper. And, to be honest, I over generalized the posters in this thread and was speaking more to the pattern I see over and over. I apologize for that.

But if someone is seeking the closest analog e-cig then I don't see how you could push them toward a mod or a "Go" device. The KR808 auto is clearly the most equivalent with widespread presence in the marketplace.

I agree. I've seen that pattern, too. I really like my new IGo but I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie who wants cigarette-sized simplicity. For that, the KR808D-1 is perfect - and I still use mine every day.

 

[swedishfish]

I understand your frustration, everyone deals with it on some level when reading other people's recommendations. Although the OP said the wife liked the Blu, he didn't say why she liked the Blu or that it needed to look like an analog. That is what you are reading into his requirements, and you may (or may not) be correct in your assumption. I agree that the KR8 is a good solution for many first time vapers, but so is the eGo and 510, all have their strengths and weaknesses.

If I had the money to hand out pvs to every smoker, I'd give them all a REO, but I don't and a lot of new vapers would get really upset with the idea of "sucking on a box." There are people who believe that everyone should own a ProVari. Bottom line is, we are all incredibly grateful for whichever device that is keeping us off cigs. This technology has saved our lives, literally. It evokes some passionate opinions

::raises hand:: I wanna suck on a box!

 

[Sainted_S]

If I had the money to hand out pvs to every smoker, I'd give them all a REO

Even if you had the money there wouldn't be enough REO's to go around.

 

[Sainted_S]

People aren't suggesting a certain pv because they want you to join a club or something. They just see people looking for something 'like' a cigarette buying a new kit a few weeks later. If you have a huge disposable income, go for it if it's helps people ease into vaping. But a person that is watching funds or may be frustrated that vaping doesn't live up to it's hype may quit vaping.

My mother insisted on getting something that looked like a cig as well and ended up buying 3 kits in a month. I'm still using the same one I started with and the one she uses most of the time.

Exactly, over and over again. Whatever works for someone is fine, but for someone that has never vaped, an inexpensive ego/riva kit is a good suggestion because they are solid reliable kits that have a lower frustration level than others. But truthfully, I would recommend a REO because I hardly ever hear complaints about them and most people absolutely love them. However, the bigger batteries for a new vaper is a huge step when you're still a smoker and a mod is a little harder to even suggest. Yes, I will be buying one in the distant future...

 

[mlinky]

::raises hand:: I wanna suck on a box!

Grands are being added to the site all week. Minis are scheduled for Friday...

Even if you had the money there wouldn't be enough REO's to go around.

LOL, if I had that much money, I could buy Rob's patent, but you're right, if it were produced in the millions of units, it wouldn't be a REO. OTOH, the quality control he gets as a one man shop is nothing short of amazing, and the number that he is producing now is pretty impressive under the circumstances.

 

[swedishfish]

I didn't want to smoke anymore, I didn't want to change batteries 100x a day and I didn't care how it looked- smoking cigarettes looks stupid anyway, and I didn't want people to think I was smoking a cigarette. That's how I determined what kit to get.

Forget the pv, to me it's all about the juice.

 

[Frick]

This particular person wants a PV that resembles a PV and lasts all day--there isn't one. I said a PCC was a good idea--it's a necessity really. Changing a battery every two hours is much different than once or twice a day.

I was a 2 PAD smoker and I use two 220 mAh batteries a day, three on a particularly heavy-vaping day. I had 510 batteries that lasted 45 minutes at the rate I vape. 65mm KR808 batteries last me 3-4 hours, just for the record, but I don't take 10 second drags like some do. I vape 24mg/ml juice.

True, but when beginning vaping I know I flooded my atties many, many times and cartos can sometimes leak juice. Why take the chance? With that model, it may not be as common, but in a real world situation with smaller batteries, a person is going to be without a PV longer than with bigger batteries if one of them go. I'm not familiar with the model, but I assume they take about two hours to charge? You get two in a kit, one of them go you'll be charging for 2 hours, vaping for 2 hours. With a bigger battery, if one goes, you'll have 2 hours of charge time and 4-6 hours of vaping.

Honestly, killing batteries with juice just isn't an issue that's common, at all. Check the 808 sub-forums. It's a very rare problem, at best. I'm not trying to discount your concern, but a tiny bit of caution is all that's required to protect these batteries.

That may be true for some, but many people feel the need to go to higher voltages or to use LR atties and cartos after a short time. Standard atomizers are impossible for me to gain satisfaction from at this point, just sharing my experience.

Fair enough. Some need 6V and 32mg/ml juice to be satisfied. I do counter, though, that the average smoker looking for a PV isn't likely to share those requirements.

I'm glad you found something that works for you and you shared your experience, just as I shared mine. Perhaps this would be the ideal solution, however, the vast majority of vapors do end up going with larger batteries or mods. For the record I would really recommend a reo, for this vaper, because it seems to be the most hassle-free, simplest way to vape.

I'm glad you did as well, and I'm happy to hear your experiences. I'm not sure that the "vast majority" of vapers end up with larger batteries or mods (the 808 forums are quite busy and popular, with long-experienced vapers still using 808 PVs), but I agree that big-batts and mods have their proponents.

All-in-all, I recommend 808 units to new vapers, above any other unit, simply because they most closely emulate the actual action of smoking, and that seems important to quite a few people. The battery life is a non-issue with 320 mAh batteries and a small PCC.

 

[harley41]

LMAO,,, I think yall scared the poor ole boy off . If I was him , I would go get me a bottle of Jim Beam and start ordering all of the above, heck, he could always sell the ones his OH didn't like...lol although I thoroughly enjoyed this debate and find it very informative, I'm a gogo guy, but I'm searching for a good starter e-cig for my sister. thanks very much for ya'lls info. happy vapin Harley41

 

[Gardner808]

I understand your frustration, everyone deals with it on some level when reading other people's recommendations. Although the OP said the wife liked the Blu, he didn't say why she liked the Blu or that it needed to look like an analog. That is what you are reading into his requirements, and you may (or may not) be correct in your assumption. I agree that the KR8 is a good solution for many first time vapers, but so is the eGo and 510, all have their strengths and weaknesses.

If I had the money to hand out pvs to every smoker, I'd give them all a REO, but I don't and a lot of new vapers would get really upset with the idea of "sucking on a box." There are people who believe that everyone should own a ProVari. Bottom line is, we are all incredibly grateful for whichever device that is keeping us off cigs. This technology has saved our lives, literally. It evokes some passionate opinions

For some reason, and this is not meant to undermine your point, between your post and your avatar I feel this odd compulsion to give you a hug. And not just a hug but a *huggles*.

I have no explanation for this behavior.

Please resume normal conversation and debate.

Move along.

 

[mlinky]

For some reason, and this is not meant to undermine your point, between your post and your avatar I feel this odd compulsion to give you a hug. And not just a hug but a *huggles*.

I have no explanation for this behavior.

Awwwwwww....

 

[prometheus]

My suggestion would be to go with one of the kr808 venders. The batts will prob not last you all day but I am a pack a day vapor and mine lasts 8 hours at work. All you have to carry with you is another charged batt. If that's too much to carry then carrying a whole pack of cigs must really kill. Other kits usually require dripping or cart filling. The taste is so much better with the carts and dripping but if you don't want the mess go with the entry level kr808's. The sell them at places like vapor 4 life, bloog planet, and v2cigs. I would avoid v2 due to extreme shipping times and flaky hardware. Those 2 piece units would prob suite you best. As for juice you will have to experiment with a few different ones. If your expecting to find a smoking substitute you will not. Instead its a replacement. Replacing one addictive habit with another different addictive habit only cleaner, cheaper, better tasting, and healthy! Its a win win as long as you give it a chance

 

[swedishfish]

Poll results-

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hink-you-needed-pv-looked-like-cigarette.html

 

[VapingRulz]

Looking on the bright side of trying out different e-cigs, the more pv's everyone buys in the end, the bigger the e-cig industry grows and the more options we'll all have. That's not a bad thing.

 

[electromoon]

If I was to help someone quite smoking and to switch to E-Cig, I would recommend that they try Green Smoke. This brand is (in my opinion) one of the best out there! I really enjoy their different levels of Nicotine. I have done my research on the other ones available and always stuck with Green Smoke. So that is my recommendation

You can always check out the Green Smoke website too!