I think your son is trying to kinda abuse you emotionally so you give him his vape back,true or not as the second poster said your son has bigger problems than not vaping.
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Are you a single mom?Have you always bought him stuff without him deserving it?Sounds a lot like the kid hasnt received proper education imo.
interesting issue here.... since it is 0 nic juice, there is no real rules being broken ( other than yours)
basically like having a Rum n Coke without the rum... but the real question is... is it really 0 nic in the bottle??
obviously, the son seems happy with his vaping friends and is accepted by them and feels as part of the group ( which is very important at that age )
you can test the juice for nic by tasting a very small drop for yourself... there will be a peppery tingle when tasted and even some hiccups... but be warned, use a small tiny drop, just a smear if you dont smoke or vape...
basically like having a Rum n Coke without the rum... but the real question is... is it really 0 nic in the bottle??
obviously, the son seems happy with his vaping friends and is accepted by them and feels as part of the group ( which is very important at that age )
you can test the juice for nic by tasting a very small drop for yourself... there will be a peppery tingle when tasted and even some hiccups... but be warned, use a small tiny drop, just a smear if you dont smoke or vape...
I can't tell you what to do with YOUR kid, since I don't know your kid or you. I can tell you what I would do if it were my kid.
13 is too young to vape, smoke, drink or anything remotely close, period. I would have taken the vape gear away and punished him, like grounding him or whatever I thought would make my point. No video games, no phone, no computer. You know, the things they think they can't live without lol.
If his friends won't except him because of it, then GOOD! If that is the case he needs new freakin' friends. I am also assuming his friends are of similar ages, so I would contact his friends parents and see if they know what is going on. Sure you might not be popular for a while, but I never thought I was supposed to be my kids "buddy". Sometimes you have to make choices that they don't like. It is just a part of parenting. Just like your boss at work. If everyone likes them, they probably are not doing their job very well.
Acting up, missing school and threatening suicide because I took something away he isn't allowed to have would have back fired badly with me. This is just another reason NOT to let him do it in my eyes. I would have taken him to the school counselor, his family doctor and a psychiatrist. And maybe the truancy officer if he was skipping classes. If he wasn't joking he would get the help he needs. If he was joking or trying to manipulate me he would regret it.
There is also nothing in e juice that is that addictive, even if it did have nicotine in it. Nothing that would cause mood swings or acting out. There is also nothing in it that would make him "feel" happy if he had it. He is just .... hurt because mommy took his toy away. If he is threatening suicide because you took his binky (vape gear) away he needs help of some sort. Doesn't matter if he was joking, manipulating you or he was serious.
In my day I would have got smacked up side the head, grounded, and my mom would have smashed the mod with a hammer while I watched lol. I wouldn't suggest smacking your kid in the head, but the other too options seem pretty viable to me. Well actually I would probably use his vape gear in front of him just because I am an a hole like that.
13 is too young to vape, smoke, drink or anything remotely close, period. I would have taken the vape gear away and punished him, like grounding him or whatever I thought would make my point. No video games, no phone, no computer. You know, the things they think they can't live without lol.
If his friends won't except him because of it, then GOOD! If that is the case he needs new freakin' friends. I am also assuming his friends are of similar ages, so I would contact his friends parents and see if they know what is going on. Sure you might not be popular for a while, but I never thought I was supposed to be my kids "buddy". Sometimes you have to make choices that they don't like. It is just a part of parenting. Just like your boss at work. If everyone likes them, they probably are not doing their job very well.
Acting up, missing school and threatening suicide because I took something away he isn't allowed to have would have back fired badly with me. This is just another reason NOT to let him do it in my eyes. I would have taken him to the school counselor, his family doctor and a psychiatrist. And maybe the truancy officer if he was skipping classes. If he wasn't joking he would get the help he needs. If he was joking or trying to manipulate me he would regret it.
There is also nothing in e juice that is that addictive, even if it did have nicotine in it. Nothing that would cause mood swings or acting out. There is also nothing in it that would make him "feel" happy if he had it. He is just .... hurt because mommy took his toy away. If he is threatening suicide because you took his binky (vape gear) away he needs help of some sort. Doesn't matter if he was joking, manipulating you or he was serious.
In my day I would have got smacked up side the head, grounded, and my mom would have smashed the mod with a hammer while I watched lol. I wouldn't suggest smacking your kid in the head, but the other too options seem pretty viable to me. Well actually I would probably use his vape gear in front of him just because I am an a hole like that.
Ok, my next obvious question would be where did he get it at? Where does a 13 year old get the money to buy vape gear? And even if he did have the money you have to be of age to buy the mod and e juice. Who in their right mind would sell that to a 13 year old? Or did he swipe it from someone. I would have a lot more questions for this young man and his friends.
JFC, you will get no argument from me. I simply believe that there are better (and more teachable moments) using non-physical discipline. My mother was pretty wild with her discipline and it taught me several things 1) I would never hit a child, as when being hit as a child, all it did was cause me to hate my parents, I didn't learn anything. 2) Discipline is only effective when the parent is in control, and much child bashing happens in the heat of the moment. 3) It is both more satisfying and effective to plan out a really awful consequence than simply hitting the kid in the heat of the moment 4) A real consequence lasts longer than a bash to the head, ripping hair out of a child's head (specifically mine) and teaches more than "I will hit when I am big enough." I kind of feel lucky that I didn't just mirror my parents behaviors with my kid (although I have had far more behavioral training than them.)
I have given my child simply DREADFUL consequences that he deserved, like sending him to rehab to suffer from his consequences.
With that said, the enabling that is going on now.... Well, if you want to not give your kid any consequences, teach revisionist history and propaganda in school and allow that to continue unchecked, well, you set yourself up for the kiddo reaching a HARD LIMIT and some jail time in the future, and those kinds of life lessons are far more unpleasant, have far more lasting impact, and may often ruin a child's future, so lack of discipline entirely is just as bad (if not worse) than too much.
I think the mom is gone from this thread, I do pray for her sake and the kid's that she gets some sort of help to allow her to be effective in this instance.
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I have given my child simply DREADFUL consequences that he deserved, like sending him to rehab to suffer from his consequences.
With that said, the enabling that is going on now.... Well, if you want to not give your kid any consequences, teach revisionist history and propaganda in school and allow that to continue unchecked, well, you set yourself up for the kiddo reaching a HARD LIMIT and some jail time in the future, and those kinds of life lessons are far more unpleasant, have far more lasting impact, and may often ruin a child's future, so lack of discipline entirely is just as bad (if not worse) than too much.
I think the mom is gone from this thread, I do pray for her sake and the kid's that she gets some sort of help to allow her to be effective in this instance.
Anna
Doesn't make any difference really, this thread isn't about vaping at all, it is about a mom and teenager that needs professional help, asap.
Either a child with serious mental issues or a kid trying to control mom with actions or threats -manipulation / control.
The OP hasn't been back to read any of the replies since about 8am yesterday, probably won't be back. Hopefully she is too busy getting help... or, it could've all been a clever ruse by a teenager looking for other adults to test out " what can I say to my mom so she will give me my vape back " .
The OP was given solid advice, over & over & over.
Either a child with serious mental issues or a kid trying to control mom with actions or threats -manipulation / control.
The OP hasn't been back to read any of the replies since about 8am yesterday, probably won't be back. Hopefully she is too busy getting help... or, it could've all been a clever ruse by a teenager looking for other adults to test out " what can I say to my mom so she will give me my vape back " .
The OP was given solid advice, over & over & over.
You don't sound like a vaper and it seems you just dropped by here to ask some questions regarding vaping and how to handle your child....just out of curiosity, why would you know to advise him on battery safety and ohms law? Seems a little suspect to me...but regardless, along with everyone else in the entire world, I hope you seek some professional guidance for him instead of asking a bunch of strangers on a public forum.
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I'd take his vape away.
Then he'd get a good spanking.
Then I'd take his bedroom door off the hinges.
Then I'd send him to bed with no dinner.
And if he didn't cheer up after that ...
I'd take his phone away.
Then he'd get a good spanking.
Then I'd take his bedroom door off the hinges.
Then I'd send him to bed with no dinner.
And if he didn't cheer up after that ...
I'd take his phone away.
Yeah. If a kid wants to cry, give him something to cry about.
This would actually make more sense if he was using nicotine. There would be withdrawal and an end to any effects regarding ADHD. If he actually did improve performance recently until losing the vape, that would be an indicator.
Nicotine test kits for ejuice etc. are avail, but involve strong acid.
Nicotine test kits for ejuice etc. are avail, but involve strong acid.
The spanking part brings up a funny story, at least funny to me.
When my son was little can't remember if it was 3 or 4 years old he was totally misbehaving. He'd give his mother a hard time about just about everything even putting on his shoes.
I spanked him a few times but it didn't help. So then I thought about it and the next time he misbehaved I spanked the heck out of him. I mean his backside was red as a lobster. I spanked that boy as hard as I could.Understand, I'm not a violent man and didn't enjoy doing it. I just needed to find out if a hard spanking would work. At the end of the spanking the kid looks up at me and says "is that all you got"
I never spanked him again.
What I did do is I began giving him and my other children allowances paid twice a month when I got paid. Every time that he misbehaved I took away some allowance, but I made sure that he always got some money. See if you take all the money away than he might get the sense that he's bad and there isn't any way he'll ever get anything, so why be good. First pay period 2/3 of the allowance was deducted. 2nd pay period maybe a third and by the 3rd Pay period we had a attitude readjustment and he got the whole allowance. He's been very well behaved since then.
I think every child is different and some benefit from a spanking but my son responded better to the carrot and stick of an allowance.
There is a simpler way to check if he is vaping with Nicotine without using acids or whatever was suggested.
My parents were pretty smart. Spanking only made me better at being sneaky. Then they started taking my radio and record player away, and also deprived themselves of music in the house. It worked, that was the one thing I would actually miss. Well it worked until I was about 14. Not much of anything worked after that, but I was lucky and soon discovered I had sense enough to know my own personal limits.
Spanking only would've made my childhood insecure and made me fear my parents. Not a good thing, and fear is completely different from respect. The suggestions that spanking might in any way help a potentially unstable and suicidal teen is beyond disturbing.
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In many, if not most, states in the US the same rules concerning smoking apply to vaping. Minors are forbidden to smoke or vape, whether there is nicotine in the e-liquid or not. Parents are legally responsible for their underage children and are subject to expensive fines and even jail time if the underage child is caught vaping by law enforcement. Vendors who sell to minors in the state of Ohio (as example) are subject to fines (up to $10,ooo) and jail time.
I used to work in a vape shop. We were extremely strict about not selling to minors. Store rules dictated if someone who looked 25 or younger they had to show a valid picture ID before a purchase. Once we had to refuse a parent who tried to purchase an ecig because we earlier observed his teenager picking out exactly what he wanted in the store. It didn't matter that the teen was a smoker who wanted to quit via vaping. Legally we couldn't sell to the teen or the parent since we were aware who was going to end up using it. If sales staff sold to a minor, it was immediate termination.
Pretty much sums it up to me.
I used to work in a vape shop. We were extremely strict about not selling to minors. Store rules dictated if someone who looked 25 or younger they had to show a valid picture ID before a purchase. Once we had to refuse a parent who tried to purchase an ecig because we earlier observed his teenager picking out exactly what he wanted in the store. It didn't matter that the teen was a smoker who wanted to quit via vaping. Legally we couldn't sell to the teen or the parent since we were aware who was going to end up using it. If sales staff sold to a minor, it was immediate termination.
Pretty much sums it up to me.
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Anyone else think this is a bit suspicious coming from a concerned Mom who knows nothing about vaping? YHBT. HTH. HAND.
Hi... I know this is diverging off of the subject, but everyone who has a child has their own outtake on parenting, and I'm no exception. There is no one way that is considered correct. Like you said, Every child is different. My older son said the exact same thing as yours, and I reacted differently with an equally successful result.
After my son was mis-behaving, he earned a spanking. AT that time, he was around 10ish. shortly after his spanking, he turned to me and said "is that all you got?".... no crying. I viewed this as him challenging me, and my limits. I did say "That's all I have for now, but next time, I'll bring something worse... what would you recommend that would hurt more". He said "I dunno... a belt?". I said.. something along the lines of "next time, it will be the belt then. But since this spanking wasn't effective, I'll have to take away the xbox until I buy a new belt".
Ever since then, the THREAT of the belt usually was enough. I don't like to give my children spankings, and spankings were usually after another form of punishment failed. I think the first spanking really did hurt him, as I think it hurt yours as well. I think both of our children were "putting up a brave and defiant face". The way I look at it is, Children have no official "job" to get them fired like us adults. Their "money" is barganing chips, threats, and limit pushing. Unless you're a millionaire, you can't keep giving "raises" in money if they do anything good. With my younger son, I give him what I call "the status quo"... he does this, he gets this. He doesn't do this, he doesn't get that, etc. For example, he gets an extra hour of xbox time for every day his room is cleaned. If he forgets to pickup his laundry when he comes home, he doesn't get it until it's done. But if his room is cleaned, and he does something bad, I still give him the extra hour of Xbox time, but some other form of punishment will be given for his bad actions. But when I threaten something, I always follow through with any threats. If you don't, then threats mean nothing.
Ok... enough of my diverging.
...and as we can't condone underage vaping I am closing this thread 
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