Help needed: 10% TFA Double RY4 has almost no flavor

[biggerintx]

I'm new to DIY and I'm doing some single flavors to get started. I mixed some 10% TFA Double RY4, 5mg/ml nic (Wizard labs nic) 50/50 VG/PG (Essentials Depot VG and PG) based on some info from this forum and set it aside to "steep" for 1 month (cap on). I shook it regularly but didn't do anything dramatic like heating it and I don't have an ultra-sonic cleaner so it was just steeped normally. After 1 month I tried it out in a dripping setup that I know has good flavor production, but it has almost zero flavor. I had to compare it to my unflavored control to tell it had any flavor. I've made other batches of other flavors and I might not have liked the result but they all had some flavor.

I don't know if I should chalk it up as a failed batch, let it sit longer, try a hot water bath, or what. So I thought I'd post here and get some input.

 

[GaryInTexas]

I know I go against the grain as most people use it at 8-10% but that was pretty light for me. I ended up staying at 12% on it and enjoy it there.

 

[Heabob]

1 month is plenty for that one.

I'd add some more flavoring, try 5%.

Heat up some water in a measuring cup in the micro, light boil, or just below.
Put your bottle in till water cools down to warmish.
You can repeat a couple times if you want.
Then taste it, don't wait another month.
If you still can't taste it, add another 5%.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I always try my juice after I mix it. Did you try it then? Did it have flavor then? Is it a golden/yellow color? I basically make it at 8% and shake and vape. Now I make 100ml at a time so by the time I'm done with it, it's about a month old. I may be in the minority but I don't notice a big difference from the first day to the last other than color. Good luck!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[bjseggerman]

I used it at 7% from WL and didn't even steep it. It's nice. Hi t of caramel at the end. Longer it sits, 2 weeks now, and the tobacco flavor is coming out more.

I added my banana nut bread to it for nuttiness and ruined it!! Failed experiment.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I used it at 7% from WL and didn't even steep it. It's nice. Hi t of caramel at the end. Longer it sits, 2 weeks now, and the tobacco flavor is coming out more.

I added my banana nut bread to it for nuttiness and ruined it!! Failed experiment.

I add 1 drop of AP per 5ml for nuttiness, comes out really good imo. AP is pretty strong though. A little adds nuttiness, a lot tastes like burnt corn chips to me.

Cheers,
Steve

If your interested, you can get it here
http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-6826-acetyl-pyrazine-5-pg.aspx
Or Wizard Labs

 

[biggerintx]

OK. I'll try to add some more flavor and then do a hot water bath to see if that helps.

I heard about AP but I'm not sure how to use it. I've read several posts about diluting it first with PG. I have the AP from Wizard Labs. Is it already diluted or do I need to dilute it further for it to be useful?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

AP is already diluted to 5%. I use it at 1 drop per 5ml. I'd start at that and work my way up if its not strong enough for you. I had a thought. Are you steeping woth the cap off? If so that would definitely cause flavor loss. I basically make mine, shake to mix, then start vaping it.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[biggerintx]

Thanks for the AP info.

I steeped it with the cap on. I had heard that leaving the cap off isn't a good idea unless you are trying to get rid of flavor. Since this was the first batch and I didn't know what the flavor would be like I steeped the entire month with the cap on.

I tried the juice when I mixed it, at two weeks, and at one month. Each time it had a very light flavor that I hoped would get stronger but it didn't. I've had retail juice that needed steeping to get full married flavors so I didn't balk at the recommendation to steep for a month, but it is disappointing to wait that long for a fail.

 

[FrogmanDave]

We use TFA RY4 Double in our store at 12% with no additional additives. It tastes fantastic and I haven't noticed much change from steeping. This is my daily vape at a 30/70 blend.

 

[biggerintx]

I heard others say that 10% was a good mix. I wouldn't think 10% to 12% would make much difference. It's such a simple recipe I really wouldn't think I could have messed it up, but anything is possible. I hope to have time to add some more flavor tonight and see what happens.

 

[Visus]

Wow I use 5-8% and over 8% it gets soo strong its almost unvapeable after a 3week + steep; 50/50 even @ 70vg/30.. taste are subjective but wow maybe you did not mix your flavoring before you used it is my only wth is happening to ya idea about it.. Ya gotta mix those flavor extract bottles too..

 

[biggerintx]

Visus, you might be on to something. I thought I shook the little flavoring vial from Wizard Labs before I drew the measured amount, but it has been a month so that detail is foggy. That is a possibility. Hard to say at this point. But thanks for the reminder. I'll definitely shake the flavoring vial well before I add any more to the batch.

 

[Exchaner]

Amazing how tastes vary. I tried RY4D at 10%, and after a month of steeping, I tasted nothing but chemical flavor - almost like a Dupont factory !! I later found that the manufacturer recommends starting at 5%. I cut mine to 8%, and still Dupont. I have it now at 6% and steeping for a few days. BTW the color now is light yellow-amber.

 

[Visus]

Amazing how tastes vary. I tried RY4D at 10%, and after a month of steeping, I tasted nothing but chemical flavor - almost like a Dupont factory !! I later found that the manufacturer recommends starting at 5%. I cut mine to 8%, and still Dupont. I have it now at 6% and steeping for a few days. BTW the color now is light yellow-amber.

Thats exactly what I chats about, if over-mixed it goes bad, un-vapeable bad.. Cowboy is another tricky mixer that is subtle then wham, over-mixed..

5% is usually for my long steepers; I noticed after 3 months it becomes OMG level. you literally can taste every note in there, even the TA which is not noticeable str8 off.. Its been so long since I have had a 3 monther someone speed up time for me on day 3 now lol..

8% for 3 week steepers. Your taste buds more sensitive then many..