Help-started smoking again! E-cig not doing it for me!
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Hi Jane,
Aroma does offer 24 mg juice, and although that's what I prefer without the WTA, 12mg w/ WTA is actually fine for me. The WTA enhances the nicotine's effect, so I would say that the 24mg is almost too much for regular use.
Another thing is that if you fill a tank with WTA, have some others filled with regular nic juice and just use the WTA a few sessions a day. It will make the WTA last longer, and the effects of the alkaloids will still help keep you on an even keel.
I would suggest looking at Kanger EVOD for your tanks--they're super easy to use. They're a bottom coil, so they avoid some of the pitfalls of the other types.
Take care, and hope you feel better soon.
Aroma does offer 24 mg juice, and although that's what I prefer without the WTA, 12mg w/ WTA is actually fine for me. The WTA enhances the nicotine's effect, so I would say that the 24mg is almost too much for regular use.
Another thing is that if you fill a tank with WTA, have some others filled with regular nic juice and just use the WTA a few sessions a day. It will make the WTA last longer, and the effects of the alkaloids will still help keep you on an even keel.
I would suggest looking at Kanger EVOD for your tanks--they're super easy to use. They're a bottom coil, so they avoid some of the pitfalls of the other types.
Take care, and hope you feel better soon.
Vaping is work..
buy stuff online with a prepaid card or use a service through your CC company to generate a temporary number and hope that your CC doesn't get compromised..
Waiting for your juice and gear to come in the mail.. then comes possible steep time.
Fill up your gear with the juice that you just knew was going to be great only to feel like you've been punched in the face with a stinky fist.. ohhhh and then there's the extra special burnt taste of a dead coil. Yummy!
It's a commitment. It's tiresome. But it pays off.
buy stuff online with a prepaid card or use a service through your CC company to generate a temporary number and hope that your CC doesn't get compromised..
Waiting for your juice and gear to come in the mail.. then comes possible steep time.
Fill up your gear with the juice that you just knew was going to be great only to feel like you've been punched in the face with a stinky fist.. ohhhh and then there's the extra special burnt taste of a dead coil. Yummy!
It's a commitment. It's tiresome. But it pays off.
I really can't speak too much about the depression angle of this nor the WTA/MAOI effects of tobacco.
I will say that even for people that don't suffer depression, there is a 2 or 3 week period of withdrawal (maybe less, maybe more...it varies by person) and you have to give your brain chemicals a chance to re-stabilize after having cut off all those extra tobacco chemicals. Maybe that's the "hell" you referenced.
I think those that smoke a few on occasion will have to go through some of that again if they quit completely. However, it may be lessened with lower doses of smoking. IDK for sure.
So, just being aware that the withdrawal is still partly there for many of us even with nic...helps them push through it. However, adding depression on top of that may indicate, as other have said, that a talk to a doctor would be a world of benefit. Some of them even offer discount programs for those without insurance. And if you've been previously diagnosed with depression, your history will help them in the visit.
I hope this works out of you. Depression is nothing to ignore. It's serious stuff.
I will say that even for people that don't suffer depression, there is a 2 or 3 week period of withdrawal (maybe less, maybe more...it varies by person) and you have to give your brain chemicals a chance to re-stabilize after having cut off all those extra tobacco chemicals. Maybe that's the "hell" you referenced.
I think those that smoke a few on occasion will have to go through some of that again if they quit completely. However, it may be lessened with lower doses of smoking. IDK for sure.
So, just being aware that the withdrawal is still partly there for many of us even with nic...helps them push through it. However, adding depression on top of that may indicate, as other have said, that a talk to a doctor would be a world of benefit. Some of them even offer discount programs for those without insurance. And if you've been previously diagnosed with depression, your history will help them in the visit.
I hope this works out of you. Depression is nothing to ignore. It's serious stuff.
Another vote for Aroma WTA. I get it in the 24mg but I only use it to supplement my regular vaping liquid. I average about 0.5ml day of the WTA so that only costs about 60 cents a day. The rest of the time I use my flavored non-WTA juices. Makes a huge difference to me.
Yes please check into the healthcare that is available for you, in my state there are doctors who use a sliding scale for charges, even a few "free clinics" although they may take a few weeks to get an appt. The county has a mental health care agency also. AttyPops is right, depression is very serious. Good luck to you!
The key factor in making the full transition from smoking to vaping is really wanting to be smoke free above all else. You know how it goes coffin nails make you eel better for a bit then they take their toll and you feel much much worse. You have to want to quit smoking badly enough to transition fully to vaping. Get some Kanger Evods, a couple of ego twists, some WTA juice and get back at it. You CAN do it!
That's a good idea. But I've looked at their flavors and see many are only 12 mg. found one in 18 mg strength. I don't like flavors except tobacco and not sweet ones, which most seem to be. I'll shoot them an email, maybe there just low on stock.
I went through a stage of wanting to go back to smokes about 6 months after quitting and taking up vaping. I found that after I just had a few smokes again I had gotten it out of my system and was more than happy to go back to vaping full time. I was amazed by this because I thought if I took up the stinkies again, I would be back into them full time. Not the case. It has now been another 6 months and I am still happy just to vape. But YMMV. This was just my personal experience.
Thanks for all the info on depression. I have insurance, it's just a crappy Medicare Advantage Plan and I get my mental health care through the State. I've been on every med, combos, and ECT treatments. Been dealing with it for years and am quite familiar with it.
I quit smoking cold turkey and the major withdrawal with the ecig really lasted only 3 days. I actually woke up the 4th day and took a deep breath that "THAT" was over. The first 3 days were really bad. I still felt like I was missing something, and didn't realize until I had a cigarette that that's what it was. Maybe I need more nicotine. Years ago I tried to quit with the maximum strength patch and still chained smoked an entire pack of cigarettes and felt just fine. Maybe I have higher tolerance to nicotine.
Was looking over the Kanger Evod and other Kanger tanks. They seem to have issues, too. I just need get my head right, but I also just had a cigarette - easy to say that now.
I quit smoking cold turkey and the major withdrawal with the ecig really lasted only 3 days. I actually woke up the 4th day and took a deep breath that "THAT" was over. The first 3 days were really bad. I still felt like I was missing something, and didn't realize until I had a cigarette that that's what it was. Maybe I need more nicotine. Years ago I tried to quit with the maximum strength patch and still chained smoked an entire pack of cigarettes and felt just fine. Maybe I have higher tolerance to nicotine.
Was looking over the Kanger Evod and other Kanger tanks. They seem to have issues, too. I just need get my head right, but I also just had a cigarette - easy to say that now.
Yeah, I just took a look and you're right--they're only offering 12mg at the moment. Jerry is great--he should be able to let you know when he'll have 24mg avail. On my first order I wanted Turkish Blend but bought Sahara because I was somewhat desperate--this was a Friday night--I emailed re: the TB and when he would have it, and it was back in stock the following Monday. Had to wait a couple of weeks to get the TB after that (no $$ in the budget).
As it turned out I actually like the Sahara better. Go figure!
But yeah, I think they're just out of stock. Check back during the week and also send an email.
Jane, there was a post in Aroma's subforum that stock was low, but it doesn't stay that way for long. The thing about WTA is, I like it at 12. I'm chain vaping most days on 24/20/18 regular juice, and after a while it gets me all hyped up and antsy. I could probably be one of those people who get nic-sick if I used a high enough mg juice. In times when I really really really want to smoke, I pick up the RY4 WTA at 12 mg. A combination of the WTA and the lower nic centers me, and allows me to feel satiated, a need has been met, a calm state so to speak. After a few long slow inhales of WTA I can walk away from vaping altogether, sometimes for a half hour or longer. Believe me, as someone who is trying to quit smoking to save money, $18 [with postage] for one 10ml bottle was a shocker. I use that probably in 2 weeks. Also, after some time has passed I expect I can stretch it even more.
I don't work for Aroma, nor am I a walking advertisement for the product, but it really does help, I'm passionate about getting the word out.
For your juice delivery option, I use and love the Kanger T3 bottom coil clearomizer and also the Evod bcc. They both have leaked on several occasions, usually just needing extra flavor wicks on top of the coil/change out for a new coil. They are a lot LOT less hassle than cartomizers [in and out of tanks] and top coil clearomizers in my experience. You might pick up a couple on sale and give them a chance, they have really saved my sanity!
I don't work for Aroma, nor am I a walking advertisement for the product, but it really does help, I'm passionate about getting the word out.
For your juice delivery option, I use and love the Kanger T3 bottom coil clearomizer and also the Evod bcc. They both have leaked on several occasions, usually just needing extra flavor wicks on top of the coil/change out for a new coil. They are a lot LOT less hassle than cartomizers [in and out of tanks] and top coil clearomizers in my experience. You might pick up a couple on sale and give them a chance, they have really saved my sanity!
Every vaping device has some sort of issue, it's just par for the course. Vaping isn't as easy as lighting up a coffin nail, but the down sides of vaping far out way minutes of your life going up in smoke with every cigarette. You have to want it though, vaping is not a magic bullet. Nothing that's worth it is ever easy.
Tricci, your right that there's always some sort of issue, but that's not clear unless you come to this forum and spend hours researching. I love this forum, but don't like spending so much time on it or on finding/ordering or putzying with supplies. If the industry doesn't simplify and make it affordable, many people will just continue to smoke.
Give the Evods a chance, I love them and have never had a problem with them. I've tried carto tanks, vivi novas, cartos, top coil clearos, and the only ones I use anymore are the Kanger T3. protank, and evods. Get yourself just one to try it, they're inexpensive in comparison to others. They come with a low ohms coil so vape them in low voltage. There are people who use the pv as tobacco harm reduction and still smoke cigarettes. Every cigarette not smoked means you're ahead of the game.
I don't think anyone has addressed the "why" yet in your OP so I'll give it a shot:
Cigarettes contain MAOI's which are an antidepressant. That could explain why cigarettes are "doing it" for you while vaping is not at the moment.
I would suggest supplementing your vaping with some 5-HTP and see if that helps. Remember to stay hydrated and good luck!
Cigarettes contain MAOI's which are an antidepressant. That could explain why cigarettes are "doing it" for you while vaping is not at the moment.
I would suggest supplementing your vaping with some 5-HTP and see if that helps. Remember to stay hydrated and good luck!
There is a lot of talk about WTA in this thread, but if you still need convincing then read this...
Whole Tobacco Alkaloids
And as for hassle-free vaping, have you tried dripping yet?
Many people find it a hassle, and many people find it to be the only thing that is hassle-free.
I belong to the latter group.
Whole Tobacco Alkaloids
And as for hassle-free vaping, have you tried dripping yet?
Many people find it a hassle, and many people find it to be the only thing that is hassle-free.
I belong to the latter group.
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