Help - Vapour makes me choke

[Stollett]

Hi folks,

Newbie here - decided to invest in an E-Cig earlier this month. Chose the number one rated brand from a review site. (Can I say the brand here?) My husband and I both tried them but never felt sated - found out after reading the tutorial here that we were using it completely wrong. (Just burned my lips by drawing too hard for too long.) Anyway, other than the learning curve problem, the vapour makes me choke. It's worse than my cigs. Is this TH because it's trying to mimic a US cig? US cigs are stronger than CDA (but their beer is weaker!). And the taste is like a US cig too of course. I don't think it's the nic level (high) that makes me choke. I've also tried medium - same thing. I just requested an RMA to return the kit but should I just return the cartos and get some other ones? I like the kit itself. We really want to dump the cancer sticks so any advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks from Ontario, CA

 

[Sedateme]

Yes, you can tell us the brand. It's actually hard to give you any advice unless we get some specifics on the situation Just let us know exactly what you've got going on... the brand of ecig, the juice, etc, and you will get more help than you can shake a stick at lol.

 

[lordmage]

first i would suggest naming the unit and where you got it. in terms of harshness it could be a PG issue some people can not tolerate to much in there juice. i am goona assume you picked up an eGo kit which is a 3.7 v device you could be using Low res carto to simulate 5volts which might also explain it

 

[ardelleg]

Keep trying... when I started I couldn't inhale like a cigarette, just like when I first started smoking. So I would puff on the ecig like a cigar. I finally got to where I can inhale but still don't inhale all the time... I would guess it took about a month to get the hang of it... definitely worth the try...
Good luck with it

 

[Stollett]

I ordered the Apollo kit from the states - it doesn't show any info on volts etc.

 

[dormouse]

Yes it probably is the Nic level HIGH that makes you choke. It's feels different in vapor. And the vapor itself seems foreign to inhale in the beginning. Once you are away from cigarettes for a couple of weeks, cigs will be the choking thing.

Either start a bit lower or buy better juice with some VG in it. Nicotine is a skin irritant. 100% PG lets through the most flavor as well as the more of nicotine's TH and irritation. VG is thick and dulls everything PG lets through but is harder to use alone for many ways of vaping and also can sometimes make a LOT of visible vapor which has its own overly-full sensation.

If you want to try lowering some of the juice you have - buy vegetable glycerin. Wilton (the baking/decorating company) sells in Canada. They have a small bottle of Glycerin that is vegetable glycerin used in icing. Link on this page to find a store (then call store and ask if they sell the Wilton Glycerin)
http://www.wilton.com/about/contact/canadian_distributors.cfm
And you can check health food stores and ask if they sel 100% vegetable glycerin (no moisturizers or fragrances added). Add a bit to some of your juice.

For stuffing cartomizers I recommend 80PG/20VG, for tanks and reservoir cartos 20-30% VG, for a normal atomizer whatever PG/VG you want as long as it flow as fast as you vape - try 30% and 50%. That will smooth the TH some. You could also try one step lower nicotine to start. The lower the nic, the less irritating the vapor is. Hospitals use vaporized PG to deliver inhaled medications. By itself, PG is not irritating.

ALSO - if you are using a new ecig atomizer - they often coming with nasty harsh primer on them that is like machine oil. you need to blow that out into a tissue and vape that off without inhaling. But when vaping it off, add 3-4 drops of eliquid to the atomizer and wait for it to soak in (warning - if you have automatic batteries don't add so much that it leaks through - auto batteries are much easier to damage or kill with juices leaks. Some manuals are totally sealed and almost impossible to hurt with juice leaks as long as you wipe the juice up well.

 

[Stollett]

I ordered prefilled cartomizers so I'm not messing with the mixture and quite frankly I don't want to mess with any of that. Do you know what Apollo's "recipe" is for PG and VG? I ordered a dozen packs of 5 of High for the discount thinking that would last me a while but they also sent Mediums and I seem to have the same choking problem. Does the same hold true for cartos with primer problem? Do I have to blow that out of each one?

 

[leftfeild]

You can get prefilled cartomisers cheaper from smokeless image. I can't be sure but it looks like (unless you have the smallest version) the apollo is a KR808D-1 device like the volt is.

Smokeless Image | Only The Best Electronic Cigarette | Refill Cartridges

$5 cheaper per pack. Can anyone confirm it's a Kr808? Never heard of apollo before and they've really gone out of their way to hide threading. No mention of what stuff is anywhere either.

You don't need to blow anything out of a cartomiser. If you you you'll only waste juice so it's not reccommended.

 

[Stollett]

I think what I'm going to do is send the whole kit and kaboodle back - they've already sent me the info to do that - I can't find any fault with the excellent service and no hassle return with these guys (we'll see how long it takes for them to issue my credit). Then I can rely on your recommendations for a decent unit and carts. I can take a pic of this rig before I pack it up if that will help you out in building your info base.

 

[dormouse]

Smokeless Image cartos do not fit the Apollo I am thinking of. And if you bought the one I am thinking ofm then I think you can only use their cartomizers.


Show a link to your Apollo. One Apollo has a support forum here on ECF


Are you trying to inhale as you drag? If so, do not do that. Drag into your mouth and then inhale and bring a little fresh air after it. It's easier to control your drag and hit with manual batteries. Do you have manual batteries? If so, let up the button slightly before the end of your drag to get a cooler finish - then inhale. Once you are comfortable vaping you can press the button in a bit before the start of your drag do there is already some vapor made when you start dragging.

No - it is almost always impossible to return cartos. If they are individually sealed in cellophane, perhaps. But I doubt it. Try different flavors - one you think will be more gentle. Try even lower nic.


If a company sells prefilled cartos they could be simple Dekang PG juice or their own recipes which they will not tell you. if you can't use juice then you may be stuck with whatever they sell as prefills because the Apollo I am thinking of may not have compatibility with anything known.

 

[Stollett]

Apollo Ecig | High Quality E Cig | Best E cigarette Starter Kits

Wonder if I've got enough posts to go exploring now?

 

[dormouse]

This the same company? Sunny is their representative on ECF. They don't seem to have their own forum. Just some threads in the Supplier area. if you have enough posts and time in new members then you can PM her about your inhaling problem.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...um/196986-fathers-day-sale-apollo-10-off.html

 

[Stollett]

Yes - that's the one - I'm more concerned now though with compatibility. With all of the options out there that I'm finding out about here I don't want to be limited to just their bits and pieces. Going to see if I can get into the Canada area. Thanks for all of the advice.

 

[nola]

I too would cough when I inhaled.This was from the beginning so I thought perhaps it was the nicotine level so ordered lower, still coughed, then ordered my own liquid 100% vg thinking it was the pg and that helped a lot. So I concluded it was something they are putting in prefilled carts and also the pg. I have liquids now that are either 100 vg or 80vg and a few 60vg. Any higher pg than 40% and I cough. I think its also some of the flavorings in the liquid. You have to look around cuz not all vendors sell vg liquids. There are a few though and that's who I use. Some vendors let you choose the ratio you want. My suggestion is to buy sample bottles til you see what works for you. Some sample bottles you can't choose the vg/pg ratio so you are stuck with the premixed but if you look around enough you'll find mostly vg. Now to add-this might not be your problem at all-I do not know what the apollo premixed carts consisted of. It could just be the flavorings? Or primer on the atty?

 

[dormouse]

I looked at it. It looks like a DSE103 atomizer or modified pointy foil-poking DSE103 atomizer? And takes atomizer+cart or cartomizers? The main possibility would be RN4081 cartomizers. Try a pack of cartos from Smokestik Hendu or from Njoy Npro (aka 2-n-1 in some 7-11's). Or since you are in Canada, see what the Canadian vendors have for RN4081.

This will supposedly find Smokestik's Canada locations
Where to buy Electric Cigarettes in Canada | Best Electronic Cigarette

From looking at it - if RN4081 cartos don't fit then you could try 510 ones (standard resistance only but there are few 510 prefilled cartos even in the US.). Or try Blu ones if Blu sells in Canada (Blu is not a 510 but uses the same threading) - not a well-loved model but does have cartos. And note - never ever charge one model's battery in another model's charger even if they have the same threads. They can be reverse polarity and fry each other.

NOTE - if it is skinner than 9mm, then don't bother because both of those models are slightly over 9mm

 

[Puffadder]

I am not familiar with Apollo and it may be a fine kit but when you first do an internet search on e-cigs most of the review sites that come up are actually paid ads for the "Rated #1" devise they list. If you don't know the threading and they are not forthcoming about it then I would send it back and get a decent 808 or 510 kit instead.

No sense in wasting your time and money ordering a bunch of different styles to see what might fit.

 

[XKingXGregX]

Hi folks,

Newbie here - decided to invest in an E-Cig earlier this month. Chose the number one rated brand from a review site. (Can I say the brand here?) My husband and I both tried them but never felt sated - found out after reading the tutorial here that we were using it completely wrong. (Just burned my lips by drawing too hard for too long.) Anyway, other than the learning curve problem, the vapour makes me choke. It's worse than my cigs. Is this TH because it's trying to mimic a US cig? US cigs are stronger than CDA (but their beer is weaker!). And the taste is like a US cig too of course. I don't think it's the nic level (high) that makes me choke. I've also tried medium - same thing. I just requested an RMA to return the kit but should I just return the cartos and get some other ones? I like the kit itself. We really want to dump the cancer sticks so any advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks from Ontario, CA

it would be easier to understand how you did it wrong if we knew what kind of device you were vaping or wether you were using carts or directing diping, strength liquid you want if you want it to be stronger or weaker than next time you order some juice make it stronger or weaker it shou;ldnt really matter comparing what brand cigarettes sold in your country though if you smoked stronger cigarettes maybe youd like stronger nic level if its too strong go with less nic after

 

[Stollett]

Wow! I can't believe all of the helpful people on this site! I smoke about 20 to 25 full strength (Canadian) cigs a day. The recommend from the CSR at Apollo was to order the Full carts. They are prefilled. I was vaping like I smoked - quick drags - some coughing but no satisfaction. No instruction at all on how to use the unit was included other how to put it together. I have since tried to use the unit properly today after reading so much info here and nearly coughed up a lung and burned my lips - and that was using the Medium level cart. There is no way I'll be able to use this sucker so I am sending it back. But now I need a recommend for a unit that will be "less TH, less heat, no mess, and reasonably inexpensive". Battery life is not my main concern as it seems to be to many. We spend about 6.50 a pack of 25 and go through about 12 packs a week or more between us. I can justify spending that much on an PV until I get the hang and the urge to start making my own special cocktails. Thanks everyone.

Susan

 

[calico21]

Kr808's are simple, you can use more VG in some of their cartomizers( which greatly cuts down irritation on inhale) I can not use All Pg either, so most of mine are a 50/50 blend. I use CE2 fluxomizers (and refill)for more vapor but those are still a bit fidgity for someone new. Most will recommend other carto's for you(V4L has some but don't know what their ratios are) Then there are 510's lots of options there. I think your biggest challenge is going to be shipping, with a lot of confiscation going on some U.S. vendors have quit shipping to Canada.

 

[Boodle]

For what it's worth the filler in most cartomizers make me cough. I can drip with an atomizer all PG or VG - + any mix of the two with 18 and 24mg nic and have no problems. I've tried the different brands of cartos except for the new SmokTechs they're advertising as having a new, better filler material. I have those on order but not high hopes. Cartos don't agree with me. Dripping gives you a clean, pure vaping experience. The benefit is that there's no filler material to muck up the flavor. The leaking from overfilling when dripping is a pain and you need to drip pretty often. Once you learn the perfect sizzle sound of your atomizer it gets easier. There are tanks with no filler on the market. I haven't found one that doesn't leak yet. Good luck.