Help with Mild Throat hit

[Vuedoo]

Hey All.. Still Kinda New to this (Can't even Figure out how to set my Sig Yet, But Anolog free for 32 days Now)
My Dilema, I Have Settled into the Convenience of the KR808D with its Cartomizers and enjoy it very much. I have also Acquired a Pretty good Stock of Liquids, Unfortunately Nearly Half are no where near the Throat hit I enjoy.
Can I get Some Advice on what Part of the e-liquid mix consitutes the Throat hit ( is it Glycerin, or does that just increase vapor thickness ) and whatever it is, can it be added to increase the throat hit on all the Mild Liquids I have. Or through experience has anyone of you had this problem and found a sure way to increase the Throat hit?

any advice would be greatly appreciated

Vuedoo

 

[miketr]

It is the nicotine mg that causes classic throat hit. generally speaking, about 10-12 is low, 14-18 is the middle range, and 24 mg is high or extra high.
Menthol and cinnamon flavors give strong sensations as well, although they are slightly different.
Glycerine is milder, PG or Propylene Glycol based liquid give more throat hit.
The thicker the vapor, the stronger the throat hit. For a specific model, there is not much you can do about that except draw as slowly as possible while still lighting the light (assuming it's an automatic switch).
The hotter the atomizer is running, the thicker the vapor as well.
Make sure your liquid is wicking quickly to the atomizer, using a mod like the blue foam and straw mod if you can use those with a cartomizer, I am not experienced with them.
Is it possible to "drip" or "dip" with a cartomizer? If so, you can try doing one or the other of those.
These are my first suggestions, not being experience with the KR808D. Why don't you go to your model specific forum and read there and post something there? You may get a better response that is more directed to your issue. Here is the forum for your model - it has a FAQ and everything. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/kr808d-1/
I hope this helps!

 

[Vuedoo]

It is the nicotine mg that causes classic throat hit. generally speaking, about 10-12 is low, 14-18 is the middle range, and 24 mg is high or extra high.
Menthol and cinnamon flavors give strong sensations as well, although they are slightly different.
Glycerine is milder, PG or Propylene Glycol based liquid give more throat hit.
The thicker the vapor, the stronger the throat hit. For a specific model, there is not much you can do about that except draw as slowly as possible while still lighting the light (assuming it's an automatic switch).
The hotter the atomizer is running, the thicker the vapor as well.
Make sure your liquid is wicking quickly to the atomizer, using a mod like the blue foam and straw mod if you can use those with a cartomizer, I am not experienced with them.
Is it possible to "drip" or "dip" with a cartomizer? If so, you can try doing one or the other of those.
These are my first suggestions, not being experience with the KR808D. Why don't you go to your model specific forum and read there and post something there? You may get a better response that is more directed to your issue. Here is the forum for your model - it has a FAQ and everything.
I hope this helps!

Thanks Mike,
but that leads me to another question, all my liquids are 24mg. The Issue That I am having is with some new Liquids flavors (mainly to mimic Anolog brands) are very weak.. could the liquids be bad.. the Vapor is Strong just no throat hit.. I Tried an experiment tonight with filling the cartomizer 1/2 with the new weak throat hit liquids and 1/2 with some old Usa Tabacco Flavor that has a good throat hit and it raised the throat hit considerably. So are the Liquids I'm having trouble with maybe too thick and if so can they be dilutted down with some High Nic Liquid ? and is something like that even available. I'd hate to waste 5 30 mil bottles that do not satisfy me.

 

[miketr]

Ooops- double post.

 

[miketr]

Some good questions - I don't know enough about eLiquid suppliers or your model to tell you.
Higher strength unflavored eLiquids for mixing are available, but they would raise the nicotine and hit at the expense of cutting your flavor.
some suppliers supply 36 mg flavored liquids, but they cost more. Totally Wicked liquids are supposed to be very good quality, for example.
I'd suggest again dripping or dipping if you can with the liquids you think are weaker to see if that improves the throat hit. If so, then it's not the liquid, it is the wicking or thickness as you suggest or something like that.
You can also thin a liquid with everclear - just a little bit, like 10 percent. They can also be thinned with distilled water. This will also cut the nicotine concentration, but will thin the liquid considerably so it might wick better if that is your issue.

 

[lunaras]

I've found that higher PG liquids tend to have a higher throat hit as well. Of course adding PG will reduce the nic content. Also, adding alcohol to your juice seems to do the same. I've tried cognac and vodka and it definitely adds to it. I've heard 192 proof everclear is excellent for this, especially because it won't dilute your nic as much.

 

[goonie]

I got 48mg (in VG) cinnamon apple and had to cut it down to 24 (PG/VG mix). 48mg had an unbearable throat hit.

 

[Kurt]

I'm using a 510, so not a cartomizer, so what I say may not be completely applicable to your 2-piece system. Up until last night I would have said it is the nic content that makes the hit, with some variation between PG and VG, as per the reasons you state. Adding some alcohol, a few drops of 100 proof vodka is good, and easily obtained, and does increase throat hit, not just from the alcohol itself, but it decreases the surface tension of even a thick VG juice. The thinner the juice, the more the hit.

But over time I was finding that I was gradually increasing the nic conc to get that throat hit. I figured it was tolerance, and I was going to become a nicotine monster-addict. 36 mg was barely cutting it! And in the beginning 14 mg was strong. 8-o To a small extent, the tolerance thing may be at play, but then I tried a new filler material, made out of a CVS disposable cleaning sponge, which is a poly-fiber sponge.

OMG!! Not only does it vape like never before, not get clogged at all or leaky, but the throat hit from even 14 mg is excellent! It wicks like a champ now too. And I use VG-only juices (plus flavor and nic...sometimes a few vodka drops, no more). Just magnificent vaping, and I've found my ideal cart filler...for now.

So the physiological response of your throat and inhale is clearly not from one single thing, but really a factor of how well your PV vapes, as well as nic content, thickness of juice (none come thicker than mine, I don't think), and perhaps even the flavors. Coffee will hit stronger than vanilla, given all other aspects are equal.

Also strength of the batt will make a big difference, but this is also simply about how well the device vapes.

Throat hit, like the perfect vanilla juice, is a journey, but one well worth the effort. If your confident that the PV is optimally operational, including how well the filler wicks, and is in contact with the heater, then try a little vodka. I've heard that flavored vodkas can also be used for these few drops, and will add some flavor too...planning on trying the vanilla at some point.

 

[Monkey Arms]

How do you add vodka to your cartomizer? & what does it do?

 

[Kurt]

How do you add vodka to your cartomizer? & what does it do?

My GreenSmoke uses cartomizers. Not sure what you have, but with the GS, you take a paperclip and pry off the rubber mouth-end cap with the hole in it. Then you can either drip fluid into it, but better is use a syringe to inject it between the cart wall and the filler roll, NOT directly onto the center hole, which has the heating element up through it. I wouldn't add vodka directly, rather make a mixed juice that contains a few drops of vodka, and add the mixed juice. Adding to cartomizers is possible, but tricky, depending on the make. GS does not want you to add your own fluid, so it can be often an unsuccessful event (floods, burned flavor, clogs, gurgles, growls, etc). YMMV.

 

[Monkey Arms]

Is it OK to inhale vodka vapor?

 

[KonaNeil]

...I wouldn't add vodka directly, rather make a mixed juice that contains a few drops of vodka, and add the mixed juice. Adding to cartomizers is possible, but tricky, depending on the make. GS does not want you to add your own fluid, so it can be often an unsuccessful event (floods, burned flavor, clogs, gurgles, growls, etc). YMMV.

I'm very new to cartomizers. Why the vodka? Are standard juices too viscose? Too thick?

 

[thewomenfolk]

I'd like to know too....why Vodka? Better throat hit? Better than Everclear?

You may try adding Mint to your mild juices to increase the throat hit. Mint gives a strong throat hit and added to other flavors does not necessarily drown out their flavor.

 

[lunaras]

I just use what I have in the minifridge, so I haven't tried Everclear yet. I have tried ~60 proof vodka and ~120 proof cognac and both add a significant throat hit. I think it has more to do with the alcohol content as opposed to the type of liquor, so I would assume that Everclear would give the most additional throat hit.

Additionally, there was a fad around 2005 about people vaporizing alcohol instead of drinking it. A lot of states have outlawed it, but I would think that at the concentrations ( I never used more than about 5-10% liquor mixed with 90-95% e-liquid) and quantities used in vaping there wouldn't be a problem. A Google search and wikipedia can tell you more.