Help with "tartness" in fruit flavors

[ghern90]

Newbie at the DIY and could use some help. I've been working on blackberry, peach and strawberry flavors. The wife loves Virgin Vapors blackberry swirl. I've used FA Blackberry, TFA blackberry, VZ blackberry and a couple others. I can get the body of the blackberry flavor but that tartness with these 3 flavors has been elusive. Her BB Swirl from VV is super aromatic and she likes that. I've tried combinations and levels of TFA sweat tart, sweet and sour at different levels and it helps but leaves something out. Can anyone think of anything I might try?

Forgot to mention, I also tried adding lemon juice in varying amounts but not there yet.

 

[dannyv45]

Have you tried this

Tart & Sour Flavor Enhancer - E Cig eGo, E juice, Mods, Cartomizers, Liquid Nicotine, DIY Flavorings

 

[gofishtx]

What about adding some cotton candy and some cream. I add. 1-2 % em (cotton candy) to my fruit flavors and it seems to mellow them out. Maybe a little sweet cream or whipped cream. Does she want a sweet tarts type of taste? If not I would drop the tart and sour and just add the cream. Marshmallow may work also but I don't know about adding tart and sour to cream or marshmallow blends. Just thinking off the top of my head of what will mellow out your juice flavors. Hope it helps

 

[gofishtx]

Another thought. Could blackberry swirl equal blackberry and vanilla swirl? I saw a recipe with that mix somewhere and I believe it had sweet cream and em also. If I find it again I will post it up

 

[ghern90]

no, but will if you think it will. I really miss this part of the flavor.

 

[ghern90]

gofishtx, it's not the cream flavoring. I think I'm starting to get a handle on that part of it. It's totally the tart bite/smell that is on fruit that just gets ripe. Not the overly ripe stage that seems a lot of flavorings have to them. I would say that the juice manufacturers have the essence of the flavor down pretty good but the tart is hard to get into it for me. and yes, I have tried the EM 10% and cotton candy and those aren't doing it either.

 

[glasseye]

I like adding 1%-6% (I know, big difference, depends on the fruit and blend) of FA Liquid Amber to fruits. Plus maybe a little Lorann Tart & Sour. The liquid amber adds a bit of tartness and it's wonderfully aromatic. If I want more tartness I'll add a few drops of T&S.

 

[dannyv45]

What about adding some cotton candy and some cream. I add. 1-2 % em (cotton candy) to my fruit flavors and it seems to mellow them out. Maybe a little sweet cream or whipped cream. Does she want a sweet tarts type of taste? If not I would drop the tart and sour and just add the cream. Marshmallow may work also but I don't know about adding tart and sour to cream or marshmallow blends. Just thinking off the top of my head of what will mellow out your juice flavors. Hope it helps

If it's body or thickness your looking for try a little marshmallo (1 - 2%). I would stay away from the EM for fruit and use sacarlos (Sweetener) at .5 - 1% but for the most part I like to stay away from the sweeteners as they can actually reduce the taste of the actual fruit. Fruits usually don't need it. EM may help with body and thickness but will only have a slight perception of sweetness and again if you want to go that route .05 - 1% is recommended. But if it's a body and thickness your after marshmallo works far better and will work with tart and sour if that is also what your after.

 

[ghern90]

I've found that for my personal preference the EM and a little additional sweetner helps with peach because it kinda gives it more "body" but that's about it. Definitely doens't help with the tart or bite I'm looking for.

 

[gofishtx]

I like the tart and sour by Loran's but start with a little and add more as needed after tasting. Too much will definitely pucker you up