Here are the features, what's my best fit?

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stormk22

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New to the forum and e-cigs in general. Looked at them 2 or so years ago when they were $150 a set. Things have definitely changed for the better!

I am/was a casual-to-regular smoker, usually less than a pack a day unless I was out drinking or partying heavy. I'd like to mirror that habit and tone down over time to nic-free, if possible. After reading an enormous amount here and other places, I am so turned around with all the choices/cryptic model names and brands/cost implications that I just can't figure it all out. One of the major problems is that a ton of technology has come and gone in a year's time, and a lot of comprehensive threads get outdated really fast. So I figured I'd start with the epic amount of criteria below in order of importance (top-to-bottom), and anyone that has a suggestion is welcome to give me some feedback!

General Criteria
-Not another new hobby: I'm looking for the cheapest set-up that meet these criteria, and I don't want to go nuts with this yet. I'm trying to cut down to nothing, after all. That said, I'm always scared of buying crap that cuts out in 3 months. Blu looks sucky for this reason.

-Look and feel: I want to match my current experience as much as possible with the look and feel of the device. Because of this, automatic batts, super-mini to mini seem to be my best bet. I love the look of the black with blue led. Not ready for a manual or bulky oddities. The Blu is looking attractive for this reason, but worried about the accidental activation (clubber, here). I will be using this at the bar/club/parties as much as at home, and don't want to stand out too much.

-Maximize batt/cart length given the above criteria: I'm cool carying around a PCC and swapping bits from it. I'd ideally like to be able to keep everything in a compact, portable case for one day's worth of use, even for those heavy party nights. It would also be nice that it looks cool. Seen the Revolver Elite, Blu, and possibly a 501 with an auto-batt?

-Ease of refill: I will be refilling/modding the PV, likely the Blue Foam mod considering what I've read about cost/flavor/vapor control. I want it to be easily compatible with this. I also don't really plan on dripping/dipping, because of the weirdness this brings to a bar setting, plus the annoying feature of carrying a bottle around.

-Flavor/Vapor/Throat hit quality: These are the least of my concerns (juice questions below), but still matter. I'd say they are ordered from most important to least, above, in terms of how much I care. I expect modding and self-made juice experiments will have the largest effect here.

Juice Info
I fully expect to make my own juice, but don't quite know how this works. I have access to a large supply of USP-grade PG on the cheap, so are there companies that sell flavorings and pure nic-juice that I can mix my own? If I want to try cool exotic flavors, am I stuck with premixed? How many draws you figure from 30ml bottles (trying to compare $ between packs of analogues)? Are there flavor-only's so I can mix my stock PG with flavor for home-made nic-free juice?

What's the deal with reports suggesting that nicotine quantity vaporized is extremely variable regardless of the concentration you get? Have users experienced any of this?

Also, I smoked a lot of hooka (tobacco mixed with VG and flavoring, vaporized by a coal and water filtered), and noticed lung pain after a few months. Any heavy vapers have the same situations?

The short of it: super-mini to mini, black/blue led, automatic but not overly sensitive to concert noise, refillable carts, decent part quality with accessible replacements, everything for a day of vaping fits into a PCC that looks cool, cheap as possible given this.


This is long! thanks if you read it all.
 
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If you must have the "look and feel" of an analog, I would strongly consider a 4081 or standard 510. The performance of the EGO is better. However everything in the ECIG world is a tradeoff. Taste vs vapor. Battery life vs. size. TH vs. vapor or taste.

In my view the 4081 has better taste and good TH, but lower vapor than a 510. Personally i doubt i could use a 4081 as my standard PV as I need more umph. But I smoked 1.5 plus packs of analogs. That is where my EGO comes in.

Some will recommend the KR808. I should not comment on it perhaps as I do not like it.

Edit: The problem is that you, and everyone, wants max vapor, max taste, max battery life, easiest to use, smallest in size and cheapest to buy. Unfortunately that animal does NOT exist as of yet. Period. If it did every person would order it and i would be the first! You will have to decide what features/attributes are more important to you, and choose that one.

If cost were not an issue the SmokeStik Hendu(4081) sounds perfect for you. But they are not cheap. If you recall, I mentioned trade-off... LOL.
 
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If you have to have a cig sized one rn4081 style is your best bet, it wont activate in a club or driving down the road like a Blu, you can get pcc's for it and batteries with different color bodies and LED's.. I have a couple white bodies with blue lights I got from azsmokefree.com I think they have black and blue too, you could pretty much buy a couple batteries, carto's and charger from az and be ready to go for under $40.. the prefilled carto's they sell are hard caps though and can be a pain to refill.
 

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Well, I tried to order the important points up front, so that those would be the best guide for recommendations. My understanding is the 510 has no autobatt features, which is a total no-go (#2 on my list of top 5). Can 4081's be used without the cartos?

510 can be ordered in either auto or manual. The reason that most people that vape hard prefer manual is control and not having to worry if liquid gets into the battery. Any auto battery must have a hole in it to sense when you are puffing. Therefore, liquid "could" get in it and cause issues. As long as you are careful or only use pre-filled carto's you should be fine on that.

There are different types of auto battery activation mechanisms as well. Some are sound, while others are vacuum... or something like that. I am not into technical stuff, lol.
 

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4081's are activated by puffing on them not sound so they wont activate accidentally. Most of the 4081 makers switched to carto's but you can still get atomizers for it. I use carto's when I use mine, goodprophets.com sells soft tipped carto's that are easy enough to fill. I liked my 4081 its great for what it is a cig sized e-cig but I couldn't take the crappy battery life anymore having to swap every couple hours.
 

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On another note, why would you want a 4081 and not use carto's? You want ease of use. A cartomizer is by FAR the easiest to use. You can re-fill them.

Personally, i would not want a 4081 that was not auto and with a cartomizer as the only purpose of that model is to provide the closest simulation to an analog as possible. If you wanted performance and did not care about that, you wouldn't choose the 4081 to begin with.
 

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4081's are activated by puffing on them not sound so they wont activate accidentally. Most of the 4081 makers switched to carto's but you can still get atomizers for it. I use carto's when I use mine, goodprophets.com sells soft tipped carto's that are easy enough to fill. I liked my 4081 its great for what it is a cig sized e-cig but I couldn't take the crappy battery life anymore having to swap every couple hours.

Ok, let me look. i know that there are two different types of activation mechanisms for auto on 4081's. I get confused easily which is which... LOL.

Edit: I don't feel like digging through a billion posts right now. But I know the SmokeStik uses a different activation mechanism. I just forget exactly which is which. i am almost certain that technically most are sound activated while theirs is different... or something like that. Users may not notice is use however as to activate it - you simply puff in either case.

LowThudd outlined the differences a few days ago, but I forget what is what and I am, admittedly, a technical tard.
 
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On another note, why would you want a 4081 and not use carto's? You want ease of use. A cartomizer is by FAR the easiest to use. You can re-fill them.

I also want cheapness and ease of re-use. Cartos seem 1)a pain compared to modded refillable carts, 2)composed of the atty AND cart, so when one is bad, you toss both, 3) more expensive overall than just the carts. Are these assumptions wrong?

Basically, I'm not totally sure what I'm giving up to get something else. By moving to a better battery life and easier refillable carts, what am I sacrificing? Is this like moving from a super-mini to a mini, or like moving from a super-mini to a screwdriver?
 

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I also want cheapness and ease of re-use. Cartos seem 1)a pain compared to modded refillable carts, 2)composed of the atty AND cart, so when one is bad, you toss both, 3) more expensive overall than just the carts. Are these assumptions wrong?

Basically, I'm not totally sure what I'm giving up to get something else. By moving to a better battery life and easier refillable carts, what am I sacrificing? Is this like moving from a super-mini to a mini, or like moving from a super-mini to a screwdriver?

1. The size of any ECIG = size of battery - which equals both battery life and consistency of hits
2. The only purpose of atomizer/cartridge use is possibly stronger hit and flavor. You will have to refill much, much more often than a carto.

If cheapness and ease of use are your ONLY two criteria, then there is little, if any, question that the EGO w/cartomizers is the best choice. If you want something similar in size to an analog, then it isn't.
 
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Like I said I used the 4081 for awhile but once I got tired of the battery deal I switched to the ego, if your a light smoker the ego can last all day even a heavy smoker will get 6-8 hours out of a single battery. What you lose is the cig look. They're not a whole lot bigger in length but cigar size in girth.
Heres a little size comparison. My eGo PT with XL carto, regular eGo with a normal 510 carto, and my RN4081 with carto, standard bic lighter for size reference.
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Cool, sounds like the RN4081 is really what I want to be starting with, provided the following is true: cartomizers can be modded (with Blue Foam, PTB, or some other method) to hold a bit extra juice, and they'll last (with refilling) as long as the atomizer in them lasts.

This sound right?

The carto's can be mod'd if your a light enough smoker you might end up being happy with it, but if you were smoking close to a pack a day you'll want to have a couple extra batteries to carry around. I can't say I was unhappy with mines performance other then the charge not lasting long enough. goodprophets.com sells pretty good unfilled cartomizers.
 

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What about the Titan 510s? It seems to be pretty much everything I want, with an autobatt and PCC, a bit larger than the RN4081s, but both cartomizers and regular carts so I can mess with them. They also come in the color I want, black. Hard to find 4081 black cartos, it seems, and no black carts that will fit in a 4081 PCC.

Only drawback from my criteria on the Titan seems to be cost. Any recs on where I could find one of these + parts cheap?
 

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I think I've found what I'm looking for. AquaVaporCig has a PCC set that comes with 2 RN4081 batts, 2 atty's, a PCC, 5 carts, wall and USB chargers, and a 10mL bottle of juice (standard flavors), for 69.95 + shipping. Also in the exact colors I want, black with blue. If I can't stand the cart/atty combo, I can just buy cartos and go that route later, no?

As I read more, I'm warming to the idea of a manual battery. But I suspect that at the point I want to vape nice at home (if I do), and an in-line isn't cutting it, I'll spring for an ego or other 510.
 
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