well, I consider the abstract part of the paper. That's the first line.
Here we go again or,extreme bad parenting.
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Like I said, I haven't read the Paper.
The Author(s) may site some Good Points. Or it might be Complete Rubbish. Dunno?
I like to Read things in Totality.
700 mg of nicotine from a 10 ml dose? It was mixed with VG. I am not a mixer so I
am a little confused. Assuming the most common nic base is 100mg per ml, what
would the mix ratio be to get roughly 700 mg in a 10ml dose. I can't help but
remember the nic base has to be cut with PG,or Vg in the first place.
Either the mother was a complete noob,or something funny is going on here.
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Mike
Where is this from? No mention in the story I linked or in
other stories about the incident.What was the original product?
Mike
SIG reporting. As usual.
Newspaper would weigh a ton if they'd listed all the other incidents where kids end up in the emergency wards after ingestion of household chemicals , prescription drugs...
Sad for dem all dem kids. Keep in mind, dem kinds come after you, so dem smart - no such thing as a childproof cap.
Keep dem chems locked up and a weary eye on your inquisitive toddler - safe vaping and safe parenting are NOT mutually exclusive
Newspaper would weigh a ton if they'd listed all the other incidents where kids end up in the emergency wards after ingestion of household chemicals , prescription drugs...
Sad for dem all dem kids. Keep in mind, dem kinds come after you, so dem smart - no such thing as a childproof cap.
Keep dem chems locked up and a weary eye on your inquisitive toddler - safe vaping and safe parenting are NOT mutually exclusive
If you have 72mg/ml Nicotine Base, then for 10ml you have 720 Milligrams of Nicotine.
Example: 72mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine
NOTE: Nude Nicotine hand Nothing to do with this Tragic Event. I just provided a Link so Mike could see that 72mg/ml is a Readily Available Nicotine Base.
And NN was the 1st thing that came up when I did my Google Search.
When you buy Nicotine Base Mike, it is a Mixture of Nicotine and VG. Or Nicotine and PG. Or Nicotine and VG/PG.
There is (in Realistic Terms) no such thing as buying Pure Nicotine, 1001mg/ml, Nicotine Base. All Nicotine Bases we use to make e-Liquids contain either VG, or PG, or Both.
My guess is that Mom put 72mg/ml VG Based Nicotine Base in the Child's Med Bottle.
The researchers estimated that the child consumed about 700 milligrams of liquid nicotine. Some studies have estimated that ingesting as little as 500 mg of nicotine can kill an adult. An average regular cigarette delivers about 0.2 to 2.4 mg of nicotine. [10 Scientific Quit-Smoking Tips]
Child Swallows E-Cig Liquid After Medication Mix-Up
What researchers? What did the hospital say? There is nothing in the news stories stating
any such thing that i have seen so far.
Is Livescience inserting something out of context/
Mike
I know all this. The news stories state the stuff in the bottle was something she mixed herself
using liquid nicotine and VG. It was not liquid nicotine poured from an original container into
anotherby itself..
Mike
Or they got it wrong, or she DID but doesn't want to admit it...
It's HIGHLY unlikely she's vaping 70mg/ml juice, but according to the one actual test they did, that must be what was in the kids medicine bottle.
- maybe she put concentrated nic base in that bottle
- maybe she mixed down from 100 mg to something like 70?
- maybe she mixed down from 200 to something like 72, from a bottle labelled as 100, so she thought she'd have 36? STILL unlikely - not a lot of people vaping 36. They did, however say the source nic was double what the label said...
We may never know.
And it doesn't matter that much - NIC juice or base - does not belong unlabeled, does not belong stored with other people's medications - does not belong anywhere a child might get at it...or be dosed with it by their parent.
It's HIGHLY unlikely she's vaping 70mg/ml juice, but according to the one actual test they did, that must be what was in the kids medicine bottle.
- maybe she put concentrated nic base in that bottle
- maybe she mixed down from 100 mg to something like 70?
- maybe she mixed down from 200 to something like 72, from a bottle labelled as 100, so she thought she'd have 36? STILL unlikely - not a lot of people vaping 36. They did, however say the source nic was double what the label said...
We may never know.
And it doesn't matter that much - NIC juice or base - does not belong unlabeled, does not belong stored with other people's medications - does not belong anywhere a child might get at it...or be dosed with it by their parent.
The Article I posted Doesn't say that it was something Mom mixed.
"The girl had previously sprained her ankle, and was taking children's Motrin (which contains ibuprofen) for pain relief. But when the bottle was finished, the girl's mother used it to store some liquid nicotine that she had bought online to use in an e-cigarette."
Child Swallows E-Cig Liquid After Medication Mix-Up
I dunno what happened Mike. But given the Numbers that were stated, and having some Experience with DIY, my guess is there was 72mg/ml Nicotine Base in the Med Bottle.
The Long and the Short of it is if Mom had done a Very Simple thing, Label the Bottle with what was Actually in it, None of this would have Happened.
@zoiDman "so he took a tiny sip and realized it was liquid nicotine for his wife's e-cigarette; she had used the empty container to mix her own e-liquid,"
I think this is the source of the confusion."so he took a tiny sip and realized it was liquid nicotine for his wife's e-cigarette;"
He assumed it was liquid nicotine.(nic base)
"she had used the empty container to mix her own e-liquid,"
IMHO this implies that it was not undiluted nic base but a mix.
In other words ready to go e-liquid.
apparently Everyone is linking to livesciences article.
"The girl's mother had filled an empty ibuprofen bottle with liquid nicotine that she had mixed herself using unflavored nicotine and vegetable glycerin."
Kids Landing in ERs After Drinking Parents' E-Cig Nicotine Liquid
Mike
I think this is the source of the confusion."so he took a tiny sip and realized it was liquid nicotine for his wife's e-cigarette;"
He assumed it was liquid nicotine.(nic base)
"she had used the empty container to mix her own e-liquid,"
IMHO this implies that it was not undiluted nic base but a mix.
In other words ready to go e-liquid.
apparently Everyone is linking to livesciences article.
"The girl's mother had filled an empty ibuprofen bottle with liquid nicotine that she had mixed herself using unflavored nicotine and vegetable glycerin."
Kids Landing in ERs After Drinking Parents' E-Cig Nicotine Liquid
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