Hi Folks, registered here as concerns regarding teeth with this new ecig of mine..advice plz

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mkbilbo

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Glenn I don't believe I am allowed to post links here...did try and it is disallowed.

At first, posting is restricted. It's to slow down "spammers". As you have more posts, the restrictions end. I forget the exact numbers for which restrictions but it's not many.

[*]E-cig still has nicotine content in it. Although one can vary the concentration to very minimal or to nothing. But in most cases than not, most smokers chose one with a high concentration of nicotine. Since to choose one with low nicotine concentration would defeat the purpose of actually smoking: the stimulation obtained from smoking is mostly the reason people smoke, it’s only in rare case do people do it for the gesture of it. Nicotine however small the concentration is, it is still a vasoconstrictor substance.
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I don't believe this at all. There are many reasons people smoke. It's never just "one thing".

I was a heavy smoker. Yet as I became more experienced as a vaper, I cut my nicotine level. A lot. For one, I like to vape. I liked to smoke. I was a "pleasure smoker" to the end. Much of the reason I do this is I like the... experience? I still, sometimes, buy a disposable e-cig like an njoy brand that looks like a cigarette and feels like one when I hold it.

Being "like a cigarette" is less important now (I've been vaping a little more than one year) and my Innokin VTR is nothing like a cigarette but I still like to "blow smoke". I don't know why that's important to me, only that it is. And that is one reason nicotine gum and nicotine patches failed for me (and more than once).

Since I like to vape a lot, I had to cut my nicotine back or get "jitters". Like I would sometimes get when, as a smoker, I chain smoked to stay awake and alert. For me, at least, nicotine is a stimulant of a kind. Too much and I'm wide awake way too late at night. Like drinking coffee in the evening.

I smoked 40 or more cigarettes per day but vape as low as 6mg/ml. I rarely go higher than 12mg/ml and mostly stay around 9. If getting the nicotine was the main factor, I'd be fine with higher nicotine levels and fewer "puffs". But I've worked to have more "puffs" even at the expense of cutting the nicotine.

And I'm not alone.

One thing about the vapor world I am certain of is "everybody's different". You see people say that a lot here. I saw experienced vapers say that when I first showed up. I can see it these days. People go in all kinds of directions in vaping. There is no "one size fits all". Some go high nic, some low, some eliminate it entirely over time and vape 0 nicotine juices. If the nicotine was the only reason for our behavior, you could never understand the people who ween themselves off nicotine and then keep vaping.

The reasons for smoking are not that simple. Nicotine's addictive quality isn't even the same for different people. Some people smoke "socially" and rarely and never get addicted. I became addicted fast. I remember that. Even though it was so, so many years ago. I remember "cravings" the first week I ever smoked.

Nicotine may have some negative effects in the mouth, yes. Nobody said it is a health food! But keep in mind that cigarette joke has thousands of chemicals in it. Not just nicotine. Tobacco smoke has actual cyanide in it. Poison gas they used to execute people with. That has to be worse than just nicotine.

But you need expert opinion, not just an online forum. Still, I would think vapor would be better for your teeth and health than the many, many chemicals in tobacco smoke.
 
Your water in take is low.

You need 1 table spoon of honey, 1 lemon squeezed in a warm large glass of water every morning before breakfast.

Spend about 10 seconds per side of your mouth brushing. Count it. 10 top left. 10 top bottom etc.

let the brush glide. Use soft toothbrush and use “family” tooth paste.

You will be fine. No harm if you visit the dentist.

Smoking gives cancer? So explain none smokers with it?

Do not be dragged into the “common” knowledge crap.

Ali
 

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And having did a further read today if I could get some clarification, one of these i.e. VG &/or PG provide a better 'throat hit'... and one associated with the vapour amount..? So therefore I will check this out before my next purchase.. thnx for this.

It's hard to say and you have to try some combinations and see what you like. It's very common to combine them in some ratio depending on taste. I usually use a 50/50 mix. Half VG, half PG. But lately am tending more to 60% PG, 40% VG.

Generally, people say more PG gives better "throat hit". Also, PG is said to carry flavor better. VG is said to produce more vapor. So many people like a mix of the two. But how much of each is personal taste.

Since you like throat hit, you probably want to try juices with more PG, less VG. I didn't care for throat hit as a smoker even. I liked "smooth" stuff. :) So I started with more VG. Though now, I seem to be drifting toward more PG. Probably because of taste. VG is more "muted" in flavor and I seem to want more flavor these days.

It's one thing I like very much about vaping, I can change things. Cigarettes seem so boring now...
 
Yes there are places where you can get what you want...many places that sell e-liquid have varying strengths available along with some that have no nicotine. I've been an e-cigarette user for 6 years and have never experienced what you are seeing in your teeth or mouth. It may be something else causing this; the brand you are using, possibly. I use only the prophelene glycol kind...not vegetable. No other additives other than that and a flavor. I use 12mg liquid nicotine. :) I hope this helps.
 

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Well I think we all knew that e-cigs use nicotine.. hello.

And as far as nicotine and its adverse effects go.. I'll take it in an e-cig over the 4000 other chemicals in cigarettes that kill you. I was a smoker for 40 years.. incidentally, a smoker with perfectly healthy teeth. Of course I do hydrate well, and brush, and floss, and use mouthwash.. and I'm told I have a nice smile.. one that doesn't smell like an ashtray anymore.

Sometimes knowing a little bit about something is worse than knowing nothing.
 

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Smoking cigs covers up a lot of damage that is inflicted to our teeth as a direct results of smoking. Once one has switched to vape, and the mouth starts to heal, one will often discover dental damage due to years of smoking. I had to have a bone graft around an implant after I stopped smoking.
 
[/QUOTE] Since you like throat hit, you probably want to try juices with more PG, less VG. I didn't care for throat hit as a smoker even. I liked "smooth" stuff. :) So I started with more VG. Though now, I seem to be drifting toward more PG. Probably because of taste. VG is more "muted" in flavor and I seem to want more flavor these days.

It's one thing I like very much about vaping, I can change things. Cigarettes seem so boring now...[/QUOTE]

No I didn't say I 'like' throat hit...I was just stating what either of these provide from reading other areas in the forum...If you wish to know what I like then I prefer the 'smooth' .. and the flavour 'menthol' presently, the other flavours I find sweet and little sickening, and do appreciate the info you provide re the PG and the VG. This is something I never checked before purchasing before.

I agree wholeheartedly that e-cigs are a much better solution to smoking, I am an e-cig user, but I will say that the nicotine still remains to be an element that appears to reduce our vitamin levels just going by my research as a result of my own issues. And of course smoking did all of this and more...and very harmful. So I gave up.

I was a social smoker, occasional, however, it was only 2 years ago I began to smoke on a daily basis, and months later soon sought out a healthier method, and the e-cig came along at the right time for me. I brush everyday, morn and night. And I have an appt with my dentist to attend next week to explore this further.

I am limited here it seems as much of my notes are edited and reduced as I am still very much just a new member. I am only researching, and questioning, and in this exploration, have a hope to find a resolution to my own issues regarding anything remotely linked to the e-cig, this is why I am here. And we are all the same in that. So all areas certainly deserve to be looked at openly. And look forward to exploring this further in time on here. Whatever I put into my body be it food, drink, nicotine, I do like to know more about the substances equally and what exactly they do. I think as we grow older we do question more, and only wish to expand my awareness in this, and it's great there is a forum that is open to this exploration. It's good to share and hopefully gain some more understanding. Nicotine I really do know very little about apart from its addictive qualities and what I have read to date.
 

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No I didn't say I 'like' throat hit...I was just stating what either of these provide from reading other areas in the forum...If you wish to know what I like then I prefer the 'smooth' .. and the flavour 'menthol' presently, the other flavours I find sweet and little sickening, and do appreciate the info you provide re the PG and the VG. This is something I never checked before purchasing before.

Ah, I misunderstood then. So turn it the other way round. :)

VG seems more "muted" to many. I'd call it "smoother". But it's very much personal taste. You have to try things out, see what you like.

I agree wholeheartedly that e-cigs are a much better solution to smoking, I am an e-cig user, but I will say that the nicotine still remains to be an element that appears to reduce our vitamin levels just going by my research as a result of my own issues. And of course smoking did all of this and more...and very harmful. So I gave up.

I was a social smoker, occasional, however, it was only 2 years ago I began to smoke on a daily basis, and months later soon sought out a healthier method, and the e-cig came along at the right time for me. I brush everyday, morn and night. And I have an appt with my dentist to attend next week to explore this further.

Well, nicotine certainly is not a health food. But the point is that if you have been unable to quit smoking any other way, you can reduce the harm. And reduce it a great deal. Nicotine is addictive but not as damaging as so many other chemicals in tobacco smoke. Many, after switching, will reduce their nicotine levels over time to reach 0 nicotine (though they may continue to vape because the enjoy it).

Myself, I rather doubt I can break my nicotine addiction. My many "quit" attempts were all horrible nightmares. Switching to vaping was much, much easier (though not totally "trouble free"... stil, a million times easier). So I think the nicotine addition is pretty strong in my case.

So, for you, vaping may be an "intermediate" step on the way. You could quit nicotine in time then decide to quit vaping. Or stop at whatever poit works for you personally.

I'd say try not to get too far ahead of yourself. Smoking does a lot of damage to your health. Vaping, much less so. Maybe even next to nothing. Hard to say but early studies show almost no serious levels of anything "extra" in vaping and nicotine may have some negative effects but may be no worse than caffeine. Which many drink for years and years with little negative effect.

You're at the very, very beginning. A little over a year ago, I was lost, lost, lost. Still smoked, just found vaping, did not understand hardly anything people talked about here. Now, this mont marks my first full year without even one cigarette. I don't even think about them hardly at all. I discovered recently, I can walk through a cloud of cigarette smoke from smokers (maybe outside a store I'm going into or out of) and it doesn't bother me. That was a surprise. I thought I'd have to avoid smokers like ex-smokers do. I just don't seem to care.

So stick around. Lots of information here and people who have experience they're willing, even eager, to share. The posting restrictions go away fairly quickly starting at five posts. Which I see you've already passed. So some of those limits should already be lifted...
 

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Not sure about that, I've seen links to news stories and such posted on ECF.

But thanks for pointing me in the right Google search direction.

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Glenn I don't believe I am allowed to post links here...did try and it is disallowed. I included the last paragraph here from the webpage. You could google DRH it is a 'dot' org 'dot' uk site. Hope this is ok.


  • E-cig still has nicotine content in it. Although one can vary the concentration to very minimal or to nothing. But in most cases than not, most smokers chose one with a high concentration of nicotine. Since to choose one with low nicotine concentration would defeat the purpose of actually smoking: the stimulation obtained from smoking is mostly the reason people smoke, it’s only in rare case do people do it for the gesture of it. Nicotine however small the concentration is, it is still a vasoconstrictor substance. This means it reduces the blood flow to your mouth. In effect the white blood cells around your mouth region are seriously hampered in fighting off infections from bacteria. Another effect is that less blood supply to your mouth means fewer red blood cells are supplied to your mouth tissues leading to deteriorating of mouth tissues and organs such as teeth and gums.
 
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