Hi, im new but you knew that! Now a question for three....ish.

[Metadeath]

So i have spent about 2 days of crawling through posts and such and have been wondering if my observations are correct.

1) Im leaning for a 510. To me it seems like the liquid choices and combos are endless, but the thing im not grasping is can i order any empty carts form anywhere as long as it matches the 510? Is there a pro or con to different shape tips or is it a prefrence thing?

2)Im noticing that alot of e-juice sites have just menthol bottles, does that mean youd have to add menthol to the flavor you want? I have been smoking menthols for 7 years now so i want something thats gonna ease the transition? Any suggestions?

3) Im a guy and i like the fruity flavors....ill admit it (i saw some jabs here and there about fruity flavors and guys lol) then i read something about the 510 run hot and then may not be so good with fruity juice. Is this true?

4)Im looking for a decent price range for a US shipper for like 30-50 (50 being as high for now as id like to go) whats a suggestion for a good site?

5) On a scale of 1-10 for vapor production, taste, and battery life whats to be expected with a 510?

6)What the crap is with e-......? Really? A e-hardon? lol or is this really just a BS gimmic?

7) I just saw the crap about there are us suppliers and china suppliers, with your experiances how often does customs scoup up things?

 

[Drozd]

So i have spent about 2 days of crawling through posts and such and have been wondering if my observations are correct.

1) Im leaning for a 510. To me it seems like the liquid choices and combos are endless, but the thing im not grasping is can i order any empty carts form anywhere as long as it matches the 510? Is there a pro or con to different shape tips or is it a prefrence thing?

it's a preference thing....some carts might fit tighter or looser than others if youre crossing a joye with say an SLB (different manufacturers one's original the other a copy or knock off)

2)Im noticing that alot of e-juice sites have just menthol bottles, does that mean youd have to add menthol to the flavor you want? I have been smoking menthols for 7 years now so i want something thats gonna ease the transition? Any suggestions?

some sites have full menthol juice, some sell menthol crystals, some have the menthol crystals already diluted in liquid... as for suggestions... I'm partial to getting 24mg strength nuport and 12 mg super menthale from nhaler and mixing them in equal proportions...comes out as 18 mg strength

3) Im a guy and i like the fruity flavors....ill admit it (i saw some jabs here and there about fruity flavors and guys lol) then i read something about the 510 run hot and then may not be so good with fruity juice. Is this true?

yeah partially...the 510 runs a little hot...so it's better at some flavors like tobacco, coffee, menthol... fruits and other delecate flavors can taste washed out....easy to overcome by getting HV juice or juice that has extra flavor..

4)Im looking for a decent price range for a US shipper for like 30-50 (50 being as high for now as id like to go) whats a suggestion for a good site?
I'd suggest cignot or rocky mountain vapor or nhaler (make sure you get the joye kit not the knock off and use their coupon code)

5) On a scale of 1-10 for vapor production, taste, and battery life whats to be expected with a 510?
great taste and superior vapor production... battery life can be problematic though...hence the popularity of the eGo models...seems to up the vapor production and taste and eaily quadruples the battery life if not better

6)What the crap is with e-......? Really? A e-hardon? lol or is this really just a BS gimmic?
dunno...yeah unfortunately it's a real product and the one company that sells it just got their smacked for selling it too

7) I just saw the crap about there are us suppliers and china suppliers, with your experiances how often does customs scoup up things?

can't say I've ever ordered from china so I havent had to worry about it in the past...

 

[Automaton]

Howdy Metadeath, welcome! I'll try to go down the line here...

So i have spent about 2 days of crawling through posts and such and have been wondering if my observations are correct.

1) Im leaning for a 510. To me it seems like the liquid choices and combos are endless, but the thing im not grasping is can i order any empty carts form anywhere as long as it matches the 510? Is there a pro or con to different shape tips or is it a prefrence thing? Yup, any 510 cart will do. There are round-tip and flat-tip carts. It's a preference thing.

2)Im noticing that alot of e-juice sites have just menthol bottles, does that mean youd have to add menthol to the flavor you want? I have been smoking menthols for 7 years now so i want something thats gonna ease the transition? Any suggestions? The most convincing menthol I have tried, for what it's worth, is NuPort by FreedomSmokeUSA.

3) Im a guy and i like the fruity flavors....ill admit it (i saw some jabs here and there about fruity flavors and guys lol) then i read something about the 510 run hot and then may not be so good with fruity juice. Is this true? No, not at all. I think what the poster may have meant, is that the shell of the atomizer itself can get hot if you're vaping a lot. But the 510 is relatively low-voltage. It won't fry out flavors.

4)Im looking for a decent price range for a US shipper for like 30-50 (50 being as high for now as id like to go) whats a suggestion for a good site? CigNot.com. All genuine Joye stuff, you can get a no-box kit for about $35.

5) On a scale of 1-10 for vapor production, taste, and battery life whats to be expected with a 510? Personally: 10 for vapor production, taste is subjective so I won't vote, 4 for battery life.

6)What the crap is with e-......? Really? A e-hardon? lol or is this really just a BS gimmic? Yeah, it's BS. And probably not good for you. If you see a site selling something like that... don't buy ANYTHING from them.

7) I just saw the crap about there are us suppliers and china suppliers, with your experiances how often does customs scoup up things? Unless you're going to get a lot, go American simply because the shipping from China is high. There are some good Chinese suppliers, but I haven't used them - I don't make big orders so it's not worth it. I've always shopped American, from vendors that are highly recommended on ECF, and I have never had a bad experience. If you are buying juice from China, there is a chance it will be stopped by customs. But hardware should be no problem.

Hope that helps.

 

[BigJohnJ]

Welcome to ECF Metadeath, I cannot help you much with your questions as I am fairly new to this as well. Just wanted to welcome another person from Tennessee to the Forum. I grew up in Soddy Daisy but live in Iowa now.

Again Welcome to ECF.

John

 

[HzG8rGrl]

I would like to add a couple comments to Drozd's reply-which I agree with-LOL

1) If you find you like a Flat-tip/Whistle Tip better-the 901 catridges will work with a 510. Just have to squeeze them a tad to make them fit tighter-on the end that goes into the atomizer.
If you experience any melting on the cart tip-510 or 901-just trim it down a very small bit.
2) Nothing to add. Not a menthol girl.
3) Purchasing a 510 to 901 (510 battery to 901 atomizer) will help here. You will then be able to use the cooler running atomizer (901) on the 510 battery.
4) Cignot is a great recommendation. If you decide on the 510-you should look at higher mAh batteries, they last longer.
5) Nothing to add-Good advice.
6) LOL~Wouldn't have a clue, the one I have at home works just fine!
7) Just received and order from HealthCabin, no liquids in my order. Ordered on 9/22 and received on 10/8. Not so shabby.

 

[Metadeath]

Wow awsome guys thanks for the replys so quickly!

Whats the recommended amount of atts and bats i should buy? Im about a pack to half a pack smoke a day, what would you recommend i get supply wize so i dont go apecrazy if i run out of vape supplys?

Also sense im going to be dripping the best idea is to get a manual batt correct?
Is it that much "dirtier" as some of the guides have said? Is the maintenance that daunting as some people have made it out to be?

 

[Rosa]

Hi

Wow awsome guys thanks for the replys so quickly!

Whats the recommended amount of atts and bats i should buy? Im about a pack to half a pack smoke a day, what would you recommend i get supply wize so i dont go apecrazy if i run out of vape supplys? You should probably get at least 4 of each (although I started with 2 of each and all are still working today - sometimes things die for no reason so it's better to be prepared)

Also sense im going to be dripping the best idea is to get a manual batt correct? Yes. ..then again manual is always better - even if you aren't dripping. But you should not try to drip with an auto battery especially.
Is it that much "dirtier" as some of the guides have said? Is the maintenance that daunting as some people have made it out to be? It's messier than using cartomizers, but not messier (IMO) than using cartridges - and it's easier than using cartridges IMO too. As for the maintenance: I just blow my atomizers out once in a while, that's all the maintenance I do. Some people do more than that but I hear it's relatively easy.

Have Fun!!

 

[danielp]

These sound like good recommendations, thanks!

 

[HzG8rGrl]

If you purchase the ego set-I suggest one extra battery (you can wait on the battery if money doesn't allow)and 2 more atomizers.
If you get the basic 510, 2 back up batteries and 2 more atomizers.
I say 2 more atomizers because the sets come with 2. If money allows get 4 atomizers. If not, everytime you purchase new liquid put an extra atomizer in the cart too, always good to have backup atomizers.

Auto bats will quit on you if e-liquid gets into the battery. They have an opening that allows for the battery to activate that e-liquid can leak into sometimes and this kills them. Manuals are completely closed. Now after saying this, I must say that you can have problems with the manual buttons from time to time. Keep them liquid free and do not be hard on them.

Get a couple different small samples of e-liquid. You may not like what you purchase and it's better to have choices in the beginning-flavor and mg amount.

 

[faeriekari]

I commented in the quoted section below.

So i have spent about 2 days of crawling through posts and such and have been wondering if my observations are correct.

Pardon me if I repeat some of what's been already answered. I'm just answering from my experience.

1) Im leaning for a 510. To me it seems like the liquid choices and combos are endless, but the thing im not grasping is can i order any empty carts form anywhere as long as it matches the 510? Is there a pro or con to different shape tips or is it a prefrence thing?

Any empty carts are fine. Some prefer the whistle tip, like my boyfriend but I like the round ones. The vapor draw seems like it has a slightly different feel but it's just a preference thing.

2)Im noticing that alot of e-juice sites have just menthol bottles, does that mean youd have to add menthol to the flavor you want? I have been smoking menthols for 7 years now so i want something thats gonna ease the transition? Any suggestions?

I was a menthol smoker as well. So far the closest for me has been Virginia Menthol and Shade Menthol from vaporbomb.com

3) Im a guy and i like the fruity flavors....ill admit it (i saw some jabs here and there about fruity flavors and guys lol) then i read something about the 510 run hot and then may not be so good with fruity juice. Is this true?

My first ecig was a 510 and we do have some fruity flavors. I never noticed it running particuliarly hot with fruity flavors and they tasted just fine. Banana is one of our favorites.

4)Im looking for a decent price range for a US shipper for like 30-50 (50 being as high for now as id like to go) whats a suggestion for a good site?

I recommend cignot for their prices and service. Vicki from cignot is awesome and will take good care of you. $35 for a no box joye kit and typically about 3 days to get it in the mail, plus they stand behind their product and quickly replace any parts should they be faulty.

5) On a scale of 1-10 for vapor production, taste, and battery life whats to be expected with a 510?

Now that I have a Riva, I would say the vapor production is a 7, taste 8, and battery life 4. Most 510 batteries only last 2 hours with constant vaping. If you want more battery you might want to consider a Riva or eGo. Riva lasts me typically 12 hrs with better vapor output and taste imo. If you want to look at Rivas, vaporjunction.com is another great site with great service. He might still be running his 20% off sale with the coupon code: customer20 Then the kit is $39.99 otherwise it's $49.95

6)What the crap is with e-......? Really? A e-hardon? lol or is this really just a BS gimmic?

No idea what this refers to

7) I just saw the crap about there are us suppliers and china suppliers, with your experiances how often does customs scoup up things?

I've only dealt with US suppliers and never had a problem.

Welcome to ECF and vaping. If you do go with a 510, purchasing some extra batteries is a good idea and atomizers as well. If you get an eGo or Riva, the batteries won't be an issue but I'd still get some extra atomizers. We get lots of juice in sample or 5ml size so we can try different things. Vaporbomb, freedomsmokeusa, and gourmetvapor are all places I have used and loved their juice! My bf's favorite is from vaporbomb. It's called fire n ice. Cinnamon and menthol. Very yummy! My current fave is RY4 from freedomsmokeusa. Getting started is always exciting and this is a great community to ask advice from. Enjoy!

 

[faeriekari]

If you purchase the ego set-I suggest one extra battery (you can wait on the battery if money doesn't allow)and 2 more atomizers.
If you get the basic 510, 2 back up batteries and 2 more atomizers.
I say 2 more atomizers because the sets come with 2. If money allows get 4 atomizers. If not, everytime you purchase new liquid put an extra atomizer in the cart too, always good to have backup atomizers.

Auto bats will quit on you if e-liquid gets into the battery. They have an opening that allows for the battery to activate that e-liquid can leak into sometimes and this kills them. Manuals are completely closed. Now after saying this, I must say that you can have problems with the manual buttons from time to time. Keep them liquid free and do not be hard on them.

Get a couple different small samples of e-liquid. You may not like what you purchase and it's better to have choices in the beginning-flavor and mg amount.

To add more to the good advice you're already receiving...

if you go through cignot for a 510, you can get 3 atomizers for $25 and 3 batteries for $20. Good prices. Also I just noticed you mentioned dripping. That's our preferred way to go. It takes no longer than lighting a cigarette and 2-3 drops last about as long as having an analog. It's become habit for me and I wouldn't go back to messing with carts on an every day basis for anything. I do fill carts when I'm driving for a long period. At first I found maintenance daunting but it's easy to get the hang of and there are lots of "how to" videos out there on every model to show you what to do. If you get stuck, there are always people here to help

 

[Nomoreash]

So i have spent about 2 days of crawling through posts and such and have been wondering if my observations are correct.

1) Im leaning for a 510. To me it seems like the liquid choices and combos are endless, but the thing im not grasping is can i order any empty carts form anywhere as long as it matches the 510? Is there a pro or con to different shape tips or is it a prefrence thing?

2)Im noticing that alot of e-juice sites have just menthol bottles, does that mean youd have to add menthol to the flavor you want? I have been smoking menthols for 7 years now so i want something thats gonna ease the transition? Any suggestions?

3) Im a guy and i like the fruity flavors....ill admit it (i saw some jabs here and there about fruity flavors and guys lol) then i read something about the 510 run hot and then may not be so good with fruity juice. Is this true?

4)Im looking for a decent price range for a US shipper for like 30-50 (50 being as high for now as id like to go) whats a suggestion for a good site?

5) On a scale of 1-10 for vapor production, taste, and battery life whats to be expected with a 510?

6)What the crap is with e-......? Really? A e-hardon? lol or is this really just a BS gimmic?

7) I just saw the crap about there are us suppliers and china suppliers, with your experiances how often does customs scoup up things?

Hello and welcome, Soddy Daisy here, nice to see another local in the ECF community. I'm been surprised by the amount I've seen so far.

1) The 510 is a great starter. I personally went a little bigger with the Riva or Ego sized batteries due to the longer battery life in between charges, many report a few hours on a 510 battery and 6-8 hours or more in between charges on the EGO/Riva sized batts. If you go with the 510 kit you'll probably want to pick up an extra battery or two to get you through the day or a Riva battery and charger and then you can compare the difference for yourself. Yes you can get empty carts for it as long as they are designated 510 carts they'll work. Different shaped tips is a preference thing.

2) Most suppliers sell pre-mixed or mixed to order juices so the menthol used in those has already been mixed to make the liquid, however you can find menthol liquid flavoring or menthol crystals which you can use to flavor any of your juices and a little of that stuff goes a loooooong way. It should be clear in the description which one it is and for the most part the straight liquid and crystals are sold at a limited number of places in comparison. If you're in doubt just ask. It's hard to recommend a specific juice, I to was a menthol smoker and will say don't expect a menthol juice to replicate a analog menthol. There are some very good ones out there but it won't be like smoking an analog, apples and oranges. I'd advise for your first couple of orders getting small samples of many different types to try. Freedomsmokeusa is a great place to do this, the price on the small sample bottles are a little high per ml in comparison to larger bottles but it gives you the opportunity to try out alot of them and not spend alot on one that might not hit your sweet spot.

3) I haven't tried any fruity flavors yet but lots of people love em, don't be afraid to try some, it's the only way you'll know what suits you. Juice reviews are great and can be informative on general terms some times but every ones taste and views will be different. Id' look more at recommended vendors rather than juices. Once you find a recommended dealer which there are many of you can pretty much be assured that what you order from them is going to be preference so you really can't go wrong, if you don't like something you can save it to put in the classified here or PIF(Pay It Forward) which is very popular here and a great way to trade and try different things. The 510 with a stock atomizer shouldn't run to hot for most any juice. There are cooler running atomizers but again that's getting in to preference. As long as it's a stock atomizer and not a LR which do burn hotter but never come with the kits then you should be good to go.

4) I don't know what you mean by 30-50 price range unless that's .30-.50 per ml range. At any rate I'd forget that right now while you're ordering smaller samples because the cost is going to be higher pern ml on those anyway but you do get to try more flavors that way for the same money. Once you pick out a couple you like then order larger bottles and compare prices, sales, etc. There are many good sites, you can go down to the bottom of the main forum page and look through the list and see what they offer, not all offer small samplers but most do, a few that come to mind are freedomsmokeusa and vaporstation.

5) Many report up to 2 hours per charge on a standard 510 battery, vapor production and flavor should be very good and comparable with the larger Riva/Ego styles since the atomizer is the atomizer and juice make the biggest difference in that area.

6) I've seen a few places that reference calis juice, my advice is to steer clear and run fast from these claims and vendors, to many reputable places to order from to be concerned with those.

7) Many order from both. I prefer to order from a USA Supplier and it's not a customs thing, I don't think I've read yet or a customer saying one has been seized, several I've read have been delayed in customs but not seized. For me I don't place huge orders and the shipping from China is higher so that would even it out or kill the deal for me, plus I get it quicker and if there is a issue I can contact someone in the states and let them deal with it. That's worth a few bucks extra to me. If I ever have a very large order I may give one a try because there is money to be saved in that case but I don't forsee that happening.

 

[Drozd]

let me be clear on my supplier recomendations as far as the kit in your price range goes...
Cignot...$35 no box kit but then $5 for shipping..plus you need juice...
RMV ....$46 kit but free shipping...but you need juice...
Nhaler... $49 kit...$7 shipping....but minus 10% coupon code....and it comes with 2 6ml bottles of juice of your choice...so $49.30 final

so said and done they're all about the same price ...I think nhaler might be the better deal

 

[markmcs]

If you're interested in a Riva510, Vaporjunction has a sale for $39.00 full kit. Personally, I would recommend the Riva or an eGo, as they both have MUCH higher battery life than a standard 510 mini. They are both very popular here. I have a Riva and love it. I vape like crazy and one batt lasts most of the day.

 

[Metadeath]

does the riva come in defferent led colors so i can be stealthy at work (i work in a convience store dont wanna draw to much attaention)

also any other tips you guys may have to point me down the right road?

 

[Drozd]

does the riva come in defferent led colors so i can be stealthy at work (i work in a convience store dont wanna draw to much attaention)

also any other tips you guys may have to point me down the right road?

things like the riva...or the eGo...have the led in the button....so they're easily to cover with the thumb if you're trying to be stealthy...

and on that note....a tip....if trying to be stealthy....DON't cover the led end of a vacume triggered auto battery with a pen cap....the difference in air pressure will cause it to fire

 

[faeriekari]

does the riva come in defferent led colors so i can be stealthy at work (i work in a convience store dont wanna draw to much attaention)

also any other tips you guys may have to point me down the right road?

The Riva has no LED light on the bottom. The only LED is from the manual button and it's very easy to conceal with your hand. I was trying it out in a completely dark car the other night. Cover it with your fingers and no light at all.

Other things that can help but aren't necessary to have on hand is a plastic organizer. People use everything from tackle boxes to tool boxes to those 3 minature drawer things. I use an organizer i bought in crafts that's fairly deep with different plastic pieces to set the sections for like $4. It's nice to have to keep your stuff organized. I also keep tweezers, q-tips and scissors in it for easy reach.

Color bands are nice for identifying which atty has you have been using which flavor in. Again, Wal-mart health and beauty aides department. The smallest colored bands you can find. Some flavors stick in an atty and you don't want to mix other flavors with them. Most can be blown out (blow from the end of your atty into a napkin til no more juice comes out) or cleaned to get rid of a taste but if it's one you like, you might want to keep an atomizer dedicated to it. Cinnamon is one that sticks and some menthols.

Also if you have a Riva or eGo, getting a case that's small enough to fit in your pocket isn't always easy to find. 510 Joye is easy there is a slim case from cignot for $3.50. When we got our Rivas that didn't work anymore. I used the foam from the box that the kit comes in and cut it down to fit in a "stash" tin that I got from a concert. Now I can break down my Riva and carry it in my pocket. No worry of accidental button pushing or leaking. I'll show you a pic if you like. Another option, since I know you want to stealth vape at work and may not take yours apart, is a lanyard. Several sites sell them but I haven't personally purchased one to recommend any. It's a cord that hangs around your neck with a pocket for your ecig. Probably could conceal under your shirt if needed.

I'm sure others will have more options and tips but that's all I can think of right off the bat

 

[jmaul99]

Check out Electronic Cigarette Supplies & Electronic Cigarette Refills for Name-Brand Electronic Cigarettes! E-Cigs from LiteCigUSA very good supplier with lots of choices of starter kits. Due to your $50 maximum I would stay away from the 510 because you would need a PCC which will run you $20- $30. I only get an hour to an hour 1/2 out of a 510 battery so a PCC is a requirement with a 510. Due to your price range I would probably get the KR808-d1 pcc starter kit and an extra battery. A kr808-d1 battery will last 2- 4 hours so you can have one charging while using your other one. I would also order a 30ml bottle of dekang cool menthol. This would run you around $50 with shipping and be enough juice to last you 2- 3 weeks at least. Dekang isn't the best juice around, but you don't know any better yet so I think you would still enjoy it. And it will taste better than the nasty real cigs if your patient.

 

[Metadeath]

Ok so it seems my budget just went up a little LOL, helps to find some extra money and a birthday coming up lol.

So Riva vs eGo which is better? And what makes you say so? IS one better for newbies vs the other?

 

[markmcs]

Ok so it seems my budget just went up a little LOL, helps to find some extra money and a birthday coming up lol.

So Riva vs eGo which is better? And what makes you say so? IS one better for newbies vs the other?

The eGo and Riva510 are the basically the same by different manufacturers, I asked that question a couple of weeks ago and more said go with the Riva. The button is better and the battery life is longer (750mah vs 650 on the ego) It's also sold a little cheaper. All eGo or 510 parts fit on the Riva. When Liberty flights gets their next shipment, I plan to get another Riva kit for $29.99. 2 batteries alone usually cost that much!! I Love the Riva and haven't heard ANY complaints from others.