Hi, new here and desperatley need some advice!

[medleypat]

Just more misinformation that clearly contradicts itself. No one spills juice and leaves it on themselves that's why lol. Any place your buying nicotine from should have a clear disclaimer, everyone I know of does. If it wasn't poison they wouldn't put a skull and crossed bones on it and kids wouldn't die from drinking it.

I would like to see any real report of a child dying you keep saying things but the only proof you put out is a debunked study and yes I have got 100ml nic on me and did not wash it off till I cleaned all my supplies and DID NOT get sick or died

 

[Gramdogg]

I think you need to do some more reading and stop listening to the vap haters there are people that have vaped for over ten years and have no problems .

People have smoked cigarettes much longer with no problems... guess cigs are ok too?

You need to learn to read it stated in small doses don't need to wear lab gear when dealing with small doses

What "it"? He stated 100mg was a small dose and he would have to pour 7ml to get nicotine poisoning. Where even by the research he supplied said it would kill him 50% of the time.

like you

I think you missed a post, I said I don't believe the advocates OR the haters research. Both are full of crazy misinformation as you can see by how at least one person thought they could rub 100mg nicotine in their eyes and pour 700mg on themselves and not wash it off.

 

[Gramdogg]

I would like to see any real report of a child dying you keep saying things but the only proof you put out is a debunked study and yes I have got 100ml nic on me and did not wash it off till I cleaned all my supplies and DID NOT get sick or died

100ml? You DID wash it off though thankfully lol. 100ml of 100mg? dang your lucky, that's more then it takes to kill a cow. Ask any Doctor or even the Prof. who tested mice, the LD50 is 60mg regardless. By math alone without any tests it could be much higher but it's not. Play safe and have fun. I told the guy he should DIY and felt it necessary to tell him the dangers of handling nicotine as every site that sells it does. If you want to tell people it's ok to spill 1000mg of nicotine on themselves that's up to you. I'm sticking with 30-60mg should be washed off asap.

 

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...He stated 100mg was a small dose and he would have to pour 7ml to get nicotine poisoning. Where even by the research he supplied said it would kill him 50% of the time....you can see by how at least one person thought they could rub 100mg nicotine in their eyes and pour 700mg on themselves and not wash it off.

That's dishonest of you, I must say - *nowhere* did I ever write, or imply, that I thought that 'it was OK to run 100mg nicotine' in ones eyes and 'pour 700ml on myself and not wash it off'.

I also never wrote that '100mg was a small dose' and that one 'would have to pour 7ml (of 100mg/ml? nic)' to get nicotine poisoning.

I merely said that the latest research (pretty much the *only* research) has found that the LD50 in humans for nicotine is closer to 750mg and not 60mg as has been previously bandied about.

120mg of nicotine (from your 60mg LD50) wouldn't be enough to kill a full-grown, healthy human adult.

It's obvious just how over-stated the toxicity of nicotine has been for centuries just looking at the severe lack of casualties and poisonings in the vaping world.

 

[Gramdogg]

That's dishonest of you, I must say - *nowhere* did I ever write, or imply, that I thought that 'it was OK to run 100mg nicotine' in ones eyes and 'pour 700ml on myself and not wash it off'.

I also never wrote that '100mg was a small dose' and that one 'would have to pour 7ml (of 100mg/ml? nic)' to get nicotine poisoning.

I merely said that the latest research (pretty much the *only* research) has found that the LD50 in humans for nicotine is closer to 750mg and not 60mg as has been previously bandied about.

120mg of nicotine (from your 60mg LD50) wouldn't be enough to kill a full-grown, healthy human adult.

It's obvious just how over-stated the toxicity of nicotine has been for centuries just looking at the severe lack of casualties and poisonings in the vaping world.

You can say that. I'm not, understand what I'm saying? It's not "your 60mg LD50" the LD50 IS 60mg... always has been always will be. His tests used the equivalent of 60mg in mice and got up to 750mg before they died 50% of the time. Not 750mg at once but 60mg multiple times. How a mouse reacts could be much different then how a human processes it. That is why he says it should stay at 60mg himself.

 

[cats5365]

I need some advice to maybe help clarify some things. First, let me explain my concern;
and upfront I would like to apologize for the long "First Post".

Back in December of 2013 I decided to give E-cigarettes a try. At that time I didn't
really educate myself on the process, just jumped in and bought over the counter; the
"BLU" disposable at Walgreen's . I was shocked at how well it worked and was excited
about my vaping future. Needless to say, after about 2 weeks of consistent use, I developed
Bronchitis and ended up in the ER. It was absolutely horrible and scared the hell out of me!

Here is the thing, I have been smoking roughly 1 pack of cigarettes a day for about 25 years and never have had Bronchitis in my life. In fact, I never experienced any known symptoms from smoking thus far. Maybe it was just coincidence, maybe the cheap over the counter product is not as good as the more expensive products, who knows? But the experience definitely put me off of the e-cigarette experiment at that time!

Has anyone experienced or know someone who experienced the same situation and could maybe share some knowledge or insight?

I am really considering giving the e-cigarette another chance. After all, before the bronchitis, I did enjoy vaping as a replacement.

Thank You.

I think your problems in 2013 were most likely a combination of not smoking and coughing up all the hairballs from smoking and the winter flu season and all the holiday travelers spreading their germs all over the country. I switched at about that same time, and caught a horrible case of respiratory virus, but not the one you get the shots for. I think it is more likely that you got a germ from signing the credit card machine at that Walgreens than from the Blu you bought with the card.

With all of that said, if you are still smoking, and want to give vaping another shot, go for it! If you are worried about the brand, try visiting a local B&M vape shop to get a good kit and some liquids that you like.

 

[Gramdogg]

How do ya'll read these studies that say "unclear", "unknown" and "no information" as ok is beyond me. Quote one study and ignore the countless others. Zero long term studies is to little for me to tell everyone how much safer it is. People thought cigs were fine for 100's of years till the FDA made 3/4 of the pack black even though studies and science told them almost 100 years ago it wasn't. Your changing the molecular structure of the juice, could be bad or could make us super humans we don't know. Maybe it's vapor that starts the zombie apocalypse! lol

 

[Gramdogg]

I would like to see any real report of a child dying you keep saying things but the only proof you put out is a debunked study and yes I have got 100ml nic on me and did not wash it off till I cleaned all my supplies and DID NOT get sick or died

That study that says "debunked" shows clear evidence that it's not debunked in the same article. That's why I posted it. Even the article contradicts itself.

 

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I'll be sure to monitor the 'New Members' and 'Veterans' section for people posting about a sudden fascination with 'braaains'...

 

[Gramdogg]

I'll be sure to monitor the 'New Members' and 'Veterans' section for people posting about a sudden fascination with 'braaains...

Get me now? I don't know, but neither does anyone else lol. I would still suggest it to a smoker because it could be better but studies show the new generation stuff could be worse then what we thought without getting the "dry hit" everyone quotes from older studies. I'd like to see one study at 300w with 8 coils before I suggest my friends buy it too.

 

[Gramdogg]

I still suggest Evod's because thats how old our studies are and I can clearly show them the "safe" zones and how to vape them correctly with 95% less chemicals.

 

[Gramdogg]

Find it interesting the same formaldehyde test showed the same results with nicotine inhalers... wonder how they got a dry hit on that lol.