Hi, new here and desperatley need some advice!

[jjatl]

Then your misinformed. I don't think anyone thinks they are 100% safe.

I never said they were 100% safe. That is what you said.

 

[Continuity]

There's *far* more diacetyl in cigarettes than even in the most custardy 1st generation ejuice.

Also, I don't think it's accurate to say "there's a ton of crap in vapes" - there really *isn't* as compared to tobacco - at least we *know* what few chemicals there are in ejuice...

 

[Gramdogg]

I never said they were 100% safe. That is what you said.

Then you misread. lol I think unflavoured with no nicotine should be 100% safe but it may not be. The bad chemicals are in alot of flavours not the VG/PG.

 

[Gramdogg]

There's *far* more diacetyl in cigarettes than even in the most custardy 1st generation ejuice.

Also, I don't think it's accurate to say "there's a ton of crap in vapes" - there really *isn't* as compared to tobacco - at least we *know* what few chemicals there are in ejuice...

Compared to tobacco... that's the key phrase they use. Sucking my cars muffler is probably better for me then smoking cigs. I wouldn't call it a "healthy alternative" to smoking though just a possibly healthier alternative. How much Diacetyl does it take to cause COPD in 20 years? I'd suggest it to quit smoking but not as a long term alternative. Cells work on a molecular level, it only takes one. There is media and studies on both sides so just picking a side ain't the best way to be safe.

 

[Continuity]

Nicotine isn't dangerous or hazardous in small doses - it's only when it's freebased with Ammonia and mixed with Acetaldeyde etc that it becomes addictive, even...

 

[Gramdogg]

Nicotine isn't dangerous or hazardous in small doses - it's only when it's freebased with Ammonia and mixed with Acetaldeyde etc that it becomes addictive, even...

Wow, where did you get such bad information from lol? Nicotine isn't additive or dangerous? LOL Yeah that's why we have to wear lab gear when mixing, cause it's safe lol.

 

[Gramdogg]

I'd try gum or the patch and look up quit smoking techniques. If nothing else works try vaping. The downfall is unlike the patch and gum, vapers continue to use long after they quit smoking. Just replacing one bad habit with another. I vape alot but I never planned to quit smoking just wasn't allowed to smoke inside and ended up quiting. Short term effect is you'll breathe better and cough less. Your body will tell you it's not "good" for you cause it's nasty the first week or so. You have to get used to it much like cigarettes when you first started. Lower the nicotine till you lose the addiction to nicotine and try again.

 

[VNeil]

Then your misinformed. I don't think anyone thinks they are 100% safe.

Perhaps nothing is 100% safe but to shout out that e-liquids contain "tons of junk" sounds like a recitation of the ANTZ playbook.

I for one believe vaping is as safe or safer than anything else we ingest, including the air that kills 50,000 Americans every year just from pneumonia. The death toll of vaping related respiratory illness:. Zero. I rest my case.

So you should stop saying "no one believes..." now.

 

[VNeil]

Wow, where did you get such bad information from lol? Nicotine isn't additive or dangerous? LOL Yeah that's why we have to wear lab gear when mixing, cause it's safe lol.

We don't have to wear lab gear. I don't. Not even gloves. People wear lab gear because of misinformation such as you espouse.

 

[Gramdogg]

Studies are subjective. Beef, corn, eggs, coffee, tea, tomatoes and about 100 other things we eat/drink everyday have been shown to cause cancer and also cure cancer based on studies. Any time there is a molecular breakdown of what you put in your body the same thing can happen to you. When DNA is broken down there is always a chance it will return as a mutated cell which could be just about anything that's why you can't trust studies. 1% or 100% the molecular breakdown is still there regardless. Even the tobacco industry states they need more studies lol.

 

[Gramdogg]

We don't have to wear lab gear. I don't. Not even gloves. People wear lab gear because of misinformation such as you espouse.

You will go blind if you get it in your eyes and depending on strength you use if you spill it you could get nicotine poisoning and even die.

 

[Gramdogg]

Perhaps nothing is 100% safe but to shout out that e-liquids contain "tons of junk" sounds like a recitation of the ANTZ playbook.

I for one believe vaping is as safe or safer than anything else we ingest, including the air that kills 50,000 Americans every year just from pneumonia. The death toll of vaping related respiratory illness:. Zero. I rest my case.

So you should stop saying "no one believes..." now.

I agree, depending on where you live the "fresh" air could be just as bad or worse. You just said yourself "perhaps nothing is 100% safe" lol Trust me "no one believes it's 100% safe".

 

[Gramdogg]

I need some advice to maybe help clarify some things. First, let me explain my concern;
and upfront I would like to apologize for the long "First Post".

Back in December of 2013 I decided to give E-cigarettes a try. At that time I didn't
really educate myself on the process, just jumped in and bought over the counter; the
"BLU" disposable at Walgreen's . I was shocked at how well it worked and was excited
about my vaping future. Needless to say, after about 2 weeks of consistent use, I developed
Bronchitis and ended up in the ER. It was absolutely horrible and scared the hell out of me!

Here is the thing, I have been smoking roughly 1 pack of cigarettes a day for about 25 years and never have had Bronchitis in my life. In fact, I never experienced any known symptoms from smoking thus far. Maybe it was just coincidence, maybe the cheap over the counter product is not as good as the more expensive products, who knows? But the experience definitely put me off of the e-cigarette experiment at that time!

Has anyone experienced or know someone who experienced the same situation and could maybe share some knowledge or insight?

I am really considering giving the e-cigarette another chance. After all, before the bronchitis, I did enjoy vaping as a replacement.

Thank You.

See? Just believe what you want to believe and ignore everything else like everyone else does lol.

 

[Continuity]

Wow, where did you get such bad information from lol? Nicotine isn't additive or dangerous? LOL Yeah that's why we have to wear lab gear when mixing, cause it's safe lol.

You will go blind if you get it in your eyes and depending on strength you use if you spill it you could get nicotine poisoning and even die.

I said that *in small doses* nicotine isn't remotely harmful or even that addictive on it's own.

You don't *have* to wear 'lab gear' to mix medium concentrates (up to 100mg/ml) - it's just good practice to, as it's not *pleasant* to get a large dose of nic all at once - it's not really *dangerous*.

Nicotine will blind you if you get any in your eyes? I'm sorry, but - [CITATION NEEDED]

Have you even seen what the revised LD50 for nicotine is in humans - the levels that people used for years were shown to be *far* too low - nicotine isn't anywhere near as toxic as was previously thought.

Professor Gratz et al have shown that the estimated LD50 for nicotine in humans is around 750mg - so, if you spilt some 100mg nic juice, you'd have to somehow absorb 8-15ml to have a chance of snuffing it - how to you think this is remotely possible?

 

[Continuity]

See? Just believe what you want to believe and ignore everything else like everyone else does lol.

LOTS of people have suffered from 'quitters flu' when they've given up smoking - if vaping things like Blu caused bronchitis as you seem to be implying might be the case, then don't you think that we'd see an absolute explosion of it as more and more people are switching to vaping?

Do you even vape, bro?

 

[BrotherBob]

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[VNeil]

I agree, depending on where you live the "fresh" air could be just as bad or worse. You just said yourself "perhaps nothing is 100% safe" lol Trust me "no one believes it's 100% safe".

I do...

 

[djsvapour]

There's *far* more diacetyl in cigarettes than even in the most custardy 1st generation ejuice.

When I found out there was more diacetyl in cigarettes, my first shopping trip was to buy every available custard type I could get my hands on. I missed custard after it was declared the work of the devil. Then I stopped vaping it again.... I used to be indecisive, now I can't make up my mind about that.

 

[Continuity]

When I found out there was more diacetyl in cigarettes, my first shopping trip was to buy every available custard type I could get my hands on. I missed custard after it was declared the work of the devil...

LOL

So long as you don't huff finely-powdered microwave popcorn from those funky little space-age-looking bags it comes in, I think you're gonna be just *fine*.

 

[Gramdogg]

I said that *in small doses* nicotine isn't remotely harmful or even that addictive on it's own.

You don't *have* to wear 'lab gear' to mix medium concentrates (up to 100mg/ml) - it's just good practice to, as it's not *pleasant* to get a large dose of nic all at once - it's not really *dangerous*.

Nicotine will blind you if you get any in your eyes? I'm sorry, but - [CITATION NEEDED]

Have you even seen what the revised LD50 for nicotine is in humans - the levels that people used for years were shown to be *far* too low - nicotine isn't anywhere near as toxic as was previously thought.

Professor Gratz et al have shown that the estimated LD50 for nicotine in humans is around 750mg - so, if you spilt some 100mg nic juice, you'd have to somehow absorb 8-15ml to have a chance of snuffing it - how to you think this is remotely possible?

You can handle 750mg over time. nicotine poisoning happens at about 30mg at once. You would have to vape 1ml of 30mg in one puff. Spilling 1ml of 100mg on yourself should be washed off ASAP. Yes I vape, yes you will go blind if you rub your eyes with it. If you work in a shop and mix they should make you wear lab gear. What you do in your home is up to you, you can't sue yourself. Why do you think everything has a child proof cap, even tanks are going leak proof and child proof.