Hi, new here and desperatley need some advice!

[Gramdogg]

When I found out there was more diacetyl in cigarettes, my first shopping trip was to buy every available custard type I could get my hands on. I missed custard after it was declared the work of the devil. Then I stopped vaping it again.... I used to be indecisive, now I can't make up my mind about that.

Yup I'd stay away from it just to be safe. Say "1st generation" if that's the case we are in the "1st generation" still lol. Diacetyl isn't always in the juice it's made when you push the button. The other nasty chemical is in the juice itself and TFA lists it on a alot of flavours. If you read which do and which don't you'll notice a pattern. That being said others like Huckleberry by going by the pattern shouldn't list it but it does so you really can't tell unless you DIY. "Less then a cigarette" shouldn't be their selling point lol.

 

[Gramdogg]

I quit smoking and started vaping because it potentially could be much better. Short term studies are promising but I quit because I wanted zero nasty chemicals, not a few at less then a cigarette. I purchased a bottle of 12mg at a local shop and was sick all day after just a few puffs... been 99% DIY ever since. I stay away from all the nasty chemicals now too because I can clearly read them instead of just "ingredients VG, PG, NIC, Flavour" and if you ask your local shop what manufacturer they use so you can look up whats in the flavour they won't tell you.

 

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The revised LD50 of nicotine in human beings is 750mg - that is not 'over time' that is an acute dose, as LD50s are conventionally worked out with.

There's *no way* that 'nicotine poisoning' occurs in fit adults at anywhere near as low as 30mg - yes, you might feel a little sick and maybe have a bit of a headache, but 'poisoning' - no way.

You are still using disproven and outdated (like from poorly-conducted 19th century 'experiments' outdated) figures for the toxicity of nicotine.

Now - it's always good to take care and to take precautions, but I don't think it's the right thing to do to spread necessary fear and panic over nicotine.

If it was anywhere *near* as toxic as you suggest, me and a lot of other people here would be continually calling ambulances and the Poisons Helpline because we splashed some ejuice on our skin and didn't bother to immediately wash it of.

But we don't see that - why?

 

[Gramdogg]

Study - The E-Cig Formaldehyde Scare Was Due to Dry Puffs If you read this and others like it you can clearly see the misinformation. In the same "debunked" article it clearly shows tests that are far from being a "myth". In the same articles even! lol

 

[Gramdogg]

The revised LD50 of nicotine in human beings is 750mg - that is not 'over time' that is an acute dose, as LD50s are conventionally worked out with.

There's *no way* that 'nicotine poisoning' occurs in fit adults at anywhere near as low as 30mg - yes, you might feel a little sick and maybe have a bit of a headache, but 'poisoning' - no way.

You are still using disproven and outdated (like from poorly-conducted 19th century 'experiments' outdated) figures for the toxicity of nicotine.

Now - it's always good to take care and to take precautions, but I don't think it's the right thing to do to spread necessary fear and panic over nicotine.

If it was anywhere *near* as toxic as you suggest, me and a lot of other people here would be continually calling ambulances and the Poisons Helpline because we splashed some ejuice on our skin and didn't bother to immediately wash it of.

But we don't see that - why?

I never heard of anyone dumb enough to spill 100mg on themselves and just leave it there. Vaping you'll be fine unless you can somehow vape 30mg in one puff, spills I'd clean up asap, ingesting or not bothering to clean it up could even be fatal not just poison. Look up the side effects of nicotine, how can you say it's safe? Heads in the clouds literally lol.

 

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I'll say again - if nicotine were anywhere near as toxic and deadly as you seem to believe, then we'd be constantly be bombarded with stories on this site and others about people being carted off in ambulances and being generally poisoned. But we don't.

What was the purpose of the Formaldehyde study that you linked to above?

 

[Gramdogg]

Again do you trust one guy's study or the medical community? 30mg for children 60mg for adults is still the LD50 regardless of what 1 prof. found in his study.

 

[schatz]

I need some advice to maybe help clarify some things. First, let me explain my concern;
and upfront I would like to apologize for the long "First Post".

Back in December of 2013 I decided to give E-cigarettes a try. At that time I didn't
really educate myself on the process, just jumped in and bought over the counter; the
"BLU" disposable at Walgreen's . I was shocked at how well it worked and was excited
about my vaping future. Needless to say, after about 2 weeks of consistent use, I developed
Bronchitis and ended up in the ER. It was absolutely horrible and scared the hell out of me!

Here is the thing, I have been smoking roughly 1 pack of cigarettes a day for about 25 years and never have had Bronchitis in my life. In fact, I never experienced any known symptoms from smoking thus far. Maybe it was just coincidence, maybe the cheap over the counter product is not as good as the more expensive products, who knows? But the experience definitely put me off of the e-cigarette experiment at that time!

Has anyone experienced or know someone who experienced the same situation and could maybe share some knowledge or insight?

I am really considering giving the e-cigarette another chance. After all, before the bronchitis, I did enjoy vaping as a replacement.

Thank You.

How are you doing Chadwick. Wow this has become an entertaining thread.

 

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The 'medical community' has been quoting figures from the same, *one* shoddy 19th century study for all these years, and it has been recently proven to be flawed.

I actually trust this 'one guys study' more, yes, as Professor Glantz actually *bothered* to do a modern investigation of the matter which the 'medical community' had neglected to do for 200-odd years.

Again, if nicotine was anywhere as deadly and toxic as you believe, we would be seeing a *lot* of poisonings and deaths, especially with the rise of DIY ejuice and vaping in general - but we don't, do we?

People haven't really been historically handling concentrated nicotine preparations, so the wrong figures were easily believed for a long time - now many public people are handling it all the time, it's self-evident just how overstated the toxicity was...

 

[Gramdogg]

I'll say again - if nicotine were anywhere near as toxic and deadly as you seem to believe, then we'd be constantly be bombarded with stories on this site and others about people being carted off in ambulances and being generally poisoned. But we don't.

What was the purpose of the Formaldehyde study that you linked to above?

Just more misinformation that clearly contradicts itself. No one spills juice and leaves it on themselves that's why lol. Any place your buying nicotine from should have a clear disclaimer, everyone I know of does. If it wasn't poison they wouldn't put a skull and crossed bones on it and kids wouldn't die from drinking it.

 

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If it was as toxic as you believe - we'd be seeing many *adults* dying and becoming sick from it, but we don't do we? Why is that? Because we're all so .... and OCD about wiping it off us and wearing Level 5 bio-suits while handling it?

I know I've never bothered with protective gear mixing my 56-75mg nic base, and I've gotten it on me loads of times and not rushed to rinse it off and I think I've only *felt* the nicotine *once* maybe, and I think that was psychosomatic.

And how many kids die from it, anyway - maybe one or two per year?

You know that Methadone, for example - 2-5mg might be enough to kill a small child, but opiate-naive adults can take 50-100mg without permanent ill effects.

You seem to trust 'they' an awful lot...

 

[Gramdogg]

How are you doing Chadwick. Wow this has become an entertaining thread.

Reminds me of 30 years ago only instead of "it's just smoke" now "it's just vapor" lol. I'm sure most people are smart enough to not believe everything they read but that should go both ways not just picking and choosing what you want to believe. My only statement was to DIY to be as safe as possible but people had to step up and take sides. lol I don't believe media on either end I just do it because I believe it could be better but to quote studies and media while no one really knows anything is just silly. Find me a study and I'll show you one that shows the exact opposite, not because I believe it but because I can lol. That's all I should have to say.

 

[Gramdogg]

I said it early there is 100's of things we take in everyday that have studies that show the both cause and cure cancer. It's because of molecular breakdown of DNA which can happen from just about anything at anytime. In theory smoking cigs could cure cancer by molecular breakdown of the cancer cells but I wouldn't suggest people with cancer take up smoking either. lol

 

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That literally makes no sense at all.




Well, maybe a little bit, if I squint...

 

[Gramdogg]

You were quoting Prof.Grats LD50 which is the lethal dose 50% of the time. Lethal, not nicotine poisoning... death. Even Prof.Grats says the LD50 should remain at 60mg yet the article is called "The new LD50" lol his study wasn't done on humans either for obvious reasons. Misleading media at it worst.

 

[Tempesta]

OKay, I'm going to attempt getting closer to the topic we started with. Although Blu, at least for me, tased foul, it didn't cause bronchitis. You may have "quitter's flu", or else viral bronchitis, which you can get anywhere, any time, for example, by being around people who are ill and having the virus transmit to you.

Don't give up. You will get well and stay healthier.

 

[medleypat]

I'd say it was the cigs, I smoked 20 years with nothing as well but it may have just took 25 years. Also vaping has a ton of junk in it, just much less then a cigarette but what % of a bad thing does it take to get COPD? No one can answer that for you. You may still get the same effects you would get from smoking. Don't be misinformed by vaping advocates, I vape but I'm not dumb enough to say it's good for me lol. Just potentially better then cigs.

I think you need to do some more reading and stop listening to the vap haters there are people that have vaped for over ten years and have no problems .

 

[medleypat]

Wow, where did you get such bad information from lol? Nicotine isn't additive or dangerous? LOL Yeah that's why we have to wear lab gear when mixing, cause it's safe lol.

You need to learn to read it stated in small doses don't need to wear lab gear when dealing with small doses

 

[medleypat]

See? Just believe what you want to believe and ignore everything else like everyone else does lol.

like you

 

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He seems to be a bit of a worry-wart, doesn't he?